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Precisely! You're absolutely right.

But since they're the only reference value spec given by manufacturers we have considered them as a starting point.

Hence, according to them you have something like this,

(r)MBP 13" & 15" - up to 7 hours
iPhone - up to 8 hours
MBA 11" - up to 9 hours
iPad - up to 10 hours
MBA 13" - up to 12 hours
Moto X - up to 24 hours

Moto X is way far beyond.

True
Let's see what Note 3 will bring
 
Also true. But I can live with the idea there is nothing new, as long battery life can increase dramatically and the devise itself including the software works much better.

Battery life is the one thing I have no problem with for the iPhone 4.
 
So here's the thing.....

Google Now is incredible software. You have to use it to understand just how cool and useful it is. The ability to use it hands free? Might come in handy but it might also be one of those things that works better in theory. I guess we'll see soon enough. I applaud innovative features such as this but at the end of the day the core OS is what it's all about and Android OS has a long way to go before it approaches the fit and finish of iOS. My sense is that the vast majority of peeps who say they're gonna ditch their iPhone for the X have never really used Android OS for any length of time. I'm not gonna turn this into a dissertation on the shortcomings of Android OS; I'm only going to say be prepared to be underwhelmed. Minor irritations like having to download a separate craptastic app just to have visual voicemail and the inability to send videos in MMS without them looking like something from a first gen flip phone mount up. ....and be prepared to miss iMessage. I just returned to my iPhone after a 2-month journey with the HTC One, which is arguably the nicest Android phone on the market so I know what I'm talking about. So go ahead and get your X. Ask it 10 times a day (hands free) what the weather is like. Play with your widgets. Have fun. .....but you'll be back.

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.....and anyone that thinks they are going to get anywhere *close* to 24 hr. of *real world* battery life from the X is just plain stu......not very bright. :)

No offense..but some do leave Apple..and dont come back. I used the iphone from day one and left when my iphone 4 contract was up to Android. I just love tech and like to try new things after awhile. Have the Galaxy s3 but been looking at the new Lumia 1020 (looks sweet).
 
Google servers listening on every conversation … waiting for a command? no thank you.

Better than the FBI:

"The FBI develops some hacking tools internally and purchases others from the private sector. With such technology, the bureau can remotely activate the microphones in phones running Google Inc.'s Android software to record conversations, one former U.S. official said. It can do the same to microphones in laptops without the user knowing, the person said. Google declined to comment."

from http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323997004578641993388259674.html
 
The battery is insane! I might consider getting one if it actually lasts all day, especially since the specs, too, are not too shabby. :)

You can't be serious. What, exactly is good about an "up to" 24 hour battery life? My iPhone has "up to" 24 hours too. Up to means nothing. We'll need real world tests - my guess is it will be as bad or as good as other phones, and that will be pretty amazing because unlike other phones this one never shuts off.

My prediction: This is a turd. It looks crappy. It's made of cheap plastic. It has a low end screen. And it costs as much as an an iPhone 5 or SGS4, which makes no sense at all. It'll be between $500 and $600 unless this happens to be a huge rip-off under subsidy - which is unlikely.

It's going to wilt in the market for lack of looks and lack of good screen - the latter is part of looks, obviously. Just saw a lady use a Sony phone in the mall and from rather far away and at an angle the screen was just gorgeous. And this phone costs half what the the Moto X will cost (off contract, I am in SE Asia).
 
This ad isn't very convincing or realistic. The actor definitely looks like the sort of guy who would own an iPhone.

Also, why does he keep saying "Google Mao"? Is this the Chinese version?
 
Summary
  • Meh looks
  • Crap screen
  • High Price - Same as iP5 or SGS4
  • Features that might be neat but that actually probably won't be all that useful - not enough to make up for the screen quality.

Battery life, even if it's better than others won't save this phone from becoming a flop.

The SGS4 might be ugly but turn it on and you will be wowed by the screen. And it has all the high end features in the world on it.

This is the same price but makes a lot of trade-offs, sacrificing screen quality for some features that sound at best gimmicky and at worst annoying.

I am disappointed - I expected a Nexus 4, only better. Turns out, not really. Google opted to "innovate" with some features that are reminiscent of Samsung in their uselessness.
 
You still send e-mail over the internet from your home server which can be tracked/monitored/intercepted just as easily as Gmail, Yahoo, Hotmail etc.

Not exactly, depending on the config of the mailserver I'm communicating with. I have enabled TLS, which means that íf both servers support it, the communication will be end to end encrypted.

However, I do realize that it's partly a symbolic move that I am making, since the clutches of US intelligence seem to be very long and sticky.

Anyhow, I work in IT, and I have stopped advising anyone, private or commercial, to use cloud services for anything remotely sensitive. The implications are simply too unpredictable.
 
For a moment I thought I was on a website that focuses on Apple news and rumors.

haha :p

Apple soft on groundbreaking news recently... not that this is 'groundbreaking' but still it got my attention and it's not another 'rumours' or 'analysts speculation' piece.
 
Moto X

All I can say is WOW. Apple can never achieve this. They will stick with their tiny screen on the iPhone 5s and call it the best ever. Nothing new from that company.:mad:
 
Actually that initial "waiting for a command" happens locally. Then when you say the keyword 'Ok, Google Now...' it records the rest of it which then gets processed on the server.

I'm with you, still creepy but facts are facts.

Google servers listening on every conversation … waiting for a command? no thank you.

You might want to open up wireshark.

Your iPhone and iPad send every bit of info to Apple as well you know, its not unique to Google. Do everyone a favor and grow up with the silly tinfoil hat nonsense. You'd be very foolish to think Apple, Google, Microsoft or any other device creator is doing all the work on your device without any of it being processed 'in the cloud'.
 
All I can say is WOW. Apple can never achieve this. They will stick with their tiny screen on the iPhone 5s and call it the best ever. Nothing new from that company.:mad:

find a new hobby. being a doomsayer is very tired.
 
Precisely! You're absolutely right.

But since they're the only reference value spec given by manufacturers we have considered them as a starting point.

Hence, according to them you have something like this,

(r)MBP 13" & 15" - up to 7 hours
iPhone - up to 8 hours
MBA 11" - up to 9 hours
iPad - up to 10 hours
MBA 13" - up to 12 hours
Moto X - up to 24 hours

Moto X is way far beyond.

Nope. The iPads have far better battery life. People will just ignore Moto X's claim when the truth come out.

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Just curious...

Are you saying you don't?

Yes, in exchange for better specs in other areas (e.g., better screen). 12 hour is good enough since the overwhelming majority will charge them phone before they go to sleep.

There may be new apps that need the specs and smoothness of more powerful processors.
 
And still Android has 3 buttons (fisical, on screen or capacitive, whatever) when the iPhone has only one and thats it.
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Believe me when I say that those "3 buttons" make a world of difference. I use androids and iPads. I enjoy the ipad, but the one-button thing can be infuriating at times once you are used to have full control right there.
 
Should have been $249/$299 off contract ($50 less than their Nexus line with higher storage) and then it would have raised eyebrows. I will admit just by looking at video and pictures, Motorola seems to have not made it not look too cheap. It looks better than Samsung's flagship Galaxy line.
 
No offense..but some do leave Apple..and dont come back. I used the iphone from day one and left when my iphone 4 contract was up to Android. I just love tech and like to try new things after awhile. Have the Galaxy s3 but been looking at the new Lumia 1020 (looks sweet).

Ah, the new Lumia 1020.... I have the 920 and it is very, very nice. I thought it would be too big (I love small phones because I carry a small purse) but it fits in all my purses and performs like a charm. And the size of the screen - well, it's the first phone I've had that I can actually use without my glasses (I'm old). Great in sunlight too (just don't were polarized sunglasses, they don't work).
 
You might want to open up wireshark.

Your iPhone and iPad send every bit of info to Apple as well you know, its not unique to Google. Do everyone a favor and grow up with the silly tinfoil hat nonsense. You'd be very foolish to think Apple, Google, Microsoft or any other device creator is doing all the work on your device without any of it being processed 'in the cloud'.

There is a difference. Google's business centers around advertisements. They monetize thir users. Apple don't focus on advertising.

That's why you see Apple championing do-not-track but Google resisted until they got punished by EU.
 
Nope. The iPads have far better battery life. People will just ignore Moto X's claim when the truth come out.

I just transcribed the specs which, as I said, are the only certified information from the manufacturers, unless you're accusing them of giving false information and therefore commiting fraud.

Other information is user dependable and therefore, subjective.

Yes, in exchange for better specs in other areas (e.g., better screen). 12 hour is good enough since the overwhelming majority will charge them phone before they go to sleep.

There may be new apps that need the specs and smoothness of more powerful processors.

Again, you're right.
Similarly to what I said above, each user has his own priorities.
Mine is autonomy.
And I already stated my opinion about batteries and recharging procedures.

Making a tiny detour from the main subject, another priority I have is cost.
Another strong reason for me not to buy an iPhone.
Maybe the iPhone 5C will change the panorama a bit, who knows?...

Sorry for any typos. My typing is fast, but not that efficient.
 
Ah, the new Lumia 1020.... I have the 920 and it is very, very nice. I thought it would be too big (I love small phones because I carry a small purse) but it fits in all my purses and performs like a charm. And the size of the screen - well, it's the first phone I've had that I can actually use without my glasses (I'm old). Great in sunlight too (just don't were polarized sunglasses, they don't work).

Lumia look good but compared to the iOS and Samsungs, they are a few notches below in polishness and versatility.
 
Mhm. Can't wait to test this. Would make the switch without too much ado at this point. Since i really began making use of Spotify, i've broken out of the iTunes world and that is one less barrier between me and a well made Android device. I simply make use of most of Google's services, and very few of Apple's at this point. It'd make sense.
 
Ah, the new Lumia 1020.... I have the 920 and it is very, very nice. I thought it would be too big (I love small phones because I carry a small purse) but it fits in all my purses and performs like a charm. And the size of the screen - well, it's the first phone I've had that I can actually use without my glasses (I'm old). Great in sunlight too (just don't were polarized sunglasses, they don't work).

I want to try it out so bad. I think they are great phones....just not sure if I can make it with Windows lol. Im sure at one point I will though
 
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