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I just transcribed the specs which, as I said, are the only certified information from the manufacturers, unless you're accusing them of giving false information and therefore commiting fraud.

Other information is user dependable and therefore, subjective.

Their battery life specs are also subjective ! :)
They have to measure it assuming some low workload.

And yes, they have been caught boosting their battery life specs for Nexus 7 by turning wifi off.

Again, you're right.
Similarly to what I said above, each user has his own priorities.
Mine is autonomy.
And I already stated my opinion about batteries and recharging procedures.

Making a tiny detour from the main subject, another priority I have is cost.
Another strong reason for me not to buy an iPhone.
Maybe the iPhone 5C will change the panorama a bit, who knows?...

Sorry for any typos. My typing is fast, but not that efficient.

Cost is not Moto X's strong suit, looking at the Android fans' complains. It is overpriced of the specs.
 
What, only a 720p screen? Well how can that be? All those fandroids must be having seizures. The only good phone out there has to have a 1080p screen. Poor fandroids. They will make a good spin of this. :p
 
Maybe I had high expectations?

But this is not competing with the iPhone/Galaxy S4/Experia.
 
And in so you are saying the iPh5 is middle road ;) It benchmarks just below average.

Samsung has proved that benchmarks can be gamed very easily. Besides the only benchmark that matters (unless bragging about hardware specs is important to you), is how well the software works with the hardware on the phone. And in that regard the iPhone 5 is anything but middle of the road.
 
There is a difference. Google's business centers around advertisements. They monetize thir users. Apple don't focus on advertising.

That's why you see Apple championing do-not-track but Google resisted until they got punished by EU.

Ah well, these days America can track everything, including whatever people are writing on Facebook and Google+ with the blessings from bith firms. Isn't it ironic?
 
Lumia look good but compared to the iOS and Samsungs, they are a few notches below in polishness and versatility.

Well, to each his own. I have the 920 and a bunch of iPads (no iPhone) and to be honest I find Win8 to be very polished and it does absolutely everything I need. I find navigating it much more intuitive than iOS. And there is absolutely no lag anywhere. I also get almost 2 days off a charge (and it has wireless charging which I thought wouldn't be a big deal but believe me, once you use it plugging in all the time is a real pain).

But I love my iPad based on the form factor mostly. I'm pretty agnostic when it comes to OS. I use what works for me. And frankly, I find iOS pretty limited. I love having all my info right on my phone home screen and then deciding if I need to open the app. I love the family room because my son and husband have Win8 also so our notes, grocery lists, calendar appts, etc are synced immediately to each phone as are pics of our grandkids.

But everyone has different needs. Luckily for us there are a lot of choices out there.

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I want to try it out so bad. I think they are great phones....just not sure if I can make it with Windows lol. Im sure at one point I will though

Well next time you buy get one and try it for a few days. Just be sure you can return it in case it doesn't suit you. Some folks have complained about apps missing. I think most are there now. Everything I need is. And if you want to check it out go to WindowsPhone.com and have a look at the App Store to be sure.

Btw, the Nokia exclusive apps are great. There are a bunch of navigation and camera filters you might like. All are free if they are from Nokia or MS.
 
And in so you are saying the iPh5 is middle road ;) It benchmarks just below average.

weve already seen reports of samsung faking benchmarks. whos to say moto isnt doing the same thing? i could care less about benchmarks. android scores great but still stutters in real life use
 
I think Google wanted to prove to the nay naysayers that supply and demand truly is a real concept by releasing this phone. It will be 99 or less on contract within a couple of months.

I think it's a great phone, but no way is it going to be as successful as the galaxy s4 or the htc one
 
There are better looking phone with better specs. Sony one is waterproof. Samsung's semi-waterproof. :-D

All have better display, specially the HTC one.

This phone h/w is already outdated on arrival.

During their live show today, The Verge basically said the screen is garbage and the phone should be in the mid-tier rather than at the same price point as the iP5 or S4.

You can decide for yourselves if that is the case, but I have a feeling they sacrificed display quality for a lofty battery number. Even the rumored low cost iPhone will have a superior screen.

have you used one in person? did you know that the moto x has a ppi that's on par with the iphone 5 and the galaxy S3? did you know that the gpu actually beats out some of the new higher end phones like the S4?

sources:

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/08/performance-preview-the-moto-x-sports-a-great-gpu-respectable-cpu/

http://www.droid-life.com/2013/08/02/9-things-you-may-not-know-about-the-moto-x/

and no.. the Verge did not call the display "garbage".. i watched the same video you did. :rolleyes:

and yes.. the moto x is water repellent, which is similar to samsung and the previous motos.
 
I laugh at how much of fail the Moto X and the iPhone 5S are. The 5S is a minor update and the Moto X is an overpriced phone.
 
http://blogs.barrons.com/techtrader...ws-to-apple-samsung-with-moto-x-asks-goldman/

The Moto X could break even at $225, before subsidies, they figure. But a price comparable with Samsung’s “Mini” version of the Galaxy S4 would yield a small increase in annual net profit per share:

If Google can capture 50bps of the global smartphone market in CY14, or 6.6mn units, and sells its Moto X device for $300 (ex factory price) it would equate to an incremental $2.0bn in revenue or 3 points of upside vs. our current CY14 gross consolidated revenue forecast. Further, based on our bill of material analysis, we believe that a device priced at $300 would have 29% gross margins


29% GM at $300. At $575 you are looking at a 247% GM. :eek::eek: This has got the be the biggest ripoff in the history of android.
 
Well, to each his own. I have the 920 and a bunch of iPads (no iPhone) and to be honest I find Win8 to be very polished and it does absolutely everything I need. I find navigating it much more intuitive than iOS. And there is absolutely no lag anywhere. I also get almost 2 days off a charge (and it has wireless charging which I thought wouldn't be a big deal but believe me, once you use it plugging in all the time is a real pain).

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But everyone has different needs. Luckily for us there are a lot of choices out there.

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Well next time you buy get one and try it for a few days. Just be sure you can return it in case it doesn't suit you. Some folks have complained about apps missing. I think most are there now. Everything I need is. And if you want to check it out go to WindowsPhone.com and have a look at the App Store to be sure.

Btw, the Nokia exclusive apps are great. There are a bunch of navigation and camera filters you might like. All are free if they are from Nokia or MS.

It's important to mention that a WP 8 phone doesn't just work with everything if you're driving a Mac. I have a 920 as well (and a 4s) and the 920 is fussy when it comes connecting on my Mac's for photo/music/video synching, sometimes the Microsoft Windows Phone App (Mac App store) notices the phone is there, sometimes not (check the reviews and you'll see its a common complaint). Microsoft didn't have their synch app handle the Address Book and Calendar so you have to find other ways to get those synched (normally by giving those somewhat private things to Google). All of a sudden you're getting into extra work just to have the phone.

Now outside of that (and the fact that the 920 has issues with dust getting into the top and fruzting up the face sensor up there - google it) its a very nice phone, beautiful in its own way - the UI is fluid, clear and easy to understand. There's a fix for the dust issue, but Nokia doesn't have a dedicated service center in the U.S. so there's no way to get the fix installed to prevent the dust issue - you just have to battle AT&T if you do get it (not an automatic fix from them).
 
I laugh at how much of fail the Moto X and the iPhone 5S are. The 5S is a minor update and the Moto X is an overpriced phone.

Yes, yes and all yu english are belong to us...

This also shows how far away the normal Android user is on all this for Motorola - the community, for the most part, measures value on phones like people measured PC's years ago (screen size, number of cores, memory, price the carrier's (not Motorola) set). To these folks the X looks like a total failure.

Stepping over to the iPhone/Windows phone world - if an iPhone/Windows phone came out that gave you - notifications while the phone is asleep that you could get to & address (I know Nokia is going to deliver something close), phone could be woken up and told do something verbally while asleep, serious color customization on purchase and extra long battery life on top of it all - it would be the iPhone / Windows phone to get - those would be valuable things.

But over in Android world (for the most part) the fact they've made a phone far more convenient and usable is of little to no value.
 
Their battery life specs are also subjective ! :)
They have to measure it assuming some low workload.

And yes, they have been caught boosting their battery life specs for Nexus 7 by turning wifi off.
Again I say that the manufacturer's specs are the only objective measure.

Evereybody knows that those numbers are obtained through what are known as ideal usage scenarios.
The information has its value, whatever that might be and is generally subject to change without prior notice.
Nevertheless, its stated by the companies.

Companies have been and will be caught, of course.
Their either punnished by the authorities and/or by the customers.
After all, without us they don't exist.

Cost is not Moto X's strong suit, looking at the Android fans' complains. It is overpriced of the specs.
You're probably right, I didn't do the math.
As I said before it was a bit out of the topic.

Let's make a what you may call unfair exercise.
The focus is solely on price, no more criteria involved.

You can get an unlocked android phone for about 80.
The cheapest unlocked iPhone costs about 450 - over 5 times the price of the android.
And that's it. As simple as that.

Many people just can't afford or are unwilling to spend that amount.
Once again, criteria are subjective and user dependable.

Just for the record, I'm only fan of what best fits my needs, not brands.

Some people that I know buy Macs just for the deisgn. They erase Mac OS X and install Windows.
Others buy iPhones and iPads that they don't know how to use, just to say they own one.
I find it absurd, but who am I to judge?
It's their criteria... and money.

I'm just saying that yours are different and so are mine - An affordable price and a longer battery life.
It's as simple as it gets.
 
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"The Moto X is the first phone where Google is in control of both the hardware and the software, giving the company greater control over the end user experience."

How many times are they going to pull the "true Android experience" card? Please. First it was the Droids, and then the Nexus, and now the Motorola acquisition. Every time, it's still the same sluggish, disorganized mess as any of the other flagship Android phones. Somehow, no matter how many cores the processor has, or what new version of Android it's running, I can't even scroll through the settings menu without lag.

At least the big screens are novel. Until you have to use it one hand, anyway.
 
They will fix it in zeppole

"The Moto X is the first phone where Google is in control of both the hardware and the software, giving the company greater control over the end user experience."

How many times are they going to pull the "true Android experience" card? Please. First it was the Droids, and then the Nexus, and now the Motorola acquisition. Every time, it's still the same sluggish, disorganized mess as any of the other flagship Android phones. Somehow, no matter how many cores the processor has, or what new version of Android it's running, I can't even scroll through the settings menu without lag.

At least the big screens are novel. Until you have to use it one hand, anyway.
 
"The Moto X is the first phone where Google is in control of both the hardware and the software, giving the company greater control over the end user experience."

How many times are they going to pull the "true Android experience" card? Please. First it was the Droids, and then the Nexus, and now the Motorola acquisition. Every time, it's still the same sluggish, disorganized mess as any of the other flagship Android phones. Somehow, no matter how many cores the processor has, or what new version of Android it's running, I can't even scroll through the settings menu without lag.

At least the big screens are novel. Until you have to use it one hand, anyway.
Perhaps it's an old Android phone you're referencing .

You most certainly cannot be referring to a Galaxy S4, Note II, or HTC One, those three are very smooth and trouble free.
 
weve already seen reports of samsung faking benchmarks. whos to say moto isnt doing the same thing? i could care less about benchmarks. android scores great but still stutters in real life use

HEHEHEHEHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Not benchmarks from Moto released, silly, press (androidpolice, droid-life, etc ) are doing benhcmarks with their given device. In OpenGL is smashed every phone on the market.

Yeah But I agree benchmarks aren't important, look at the SGS4 (no faking, the journalists and end users are benching it), it benches REALLY high, and still has heaps of crap laggy problems.

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Samsung has proved that benchmarks can be gamed very easily. Besides the only benchmark that matters (unless bragging about hardware specs is important to you), is how well the software works with the hardware on the phone. And in that regard the iPhone 5 is anything but middle of the road.

Yes, I was making a point to the guy I replied to, as in saying, yes it has "lower specs" (It doesn't really, it has the same specs as a snapdragon s600 DUAL CORE, plus the other 6 cores not mentioned, the X8 tech). And apperently, aqccording to press, it outperforms all smartphones with the Hardware/software working.
 
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