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Apple is neither. Apple is a vertical systems integrator and vendor. They do both hardware and software and package it as a single product.

This may come to a shock to some younger folks, but Apple is not the only one in the course of the industry's history to have such a business model. Atari, IBM, HP, Digital, Compaq have all played (or a still playing) the vertical integration game.

To refer to Apple as either a hardware or a software vendor is false.

They are more of a hardware company. That's where they make the majority of their money. It's also why there were willing to make iTunes available for Windows. It helped sell hardware. It's also why you'll never see it available on Android...it doesn't help them sell hardware. They would probably see quite a few sales of iTunes if it hit the Market but large existing iTunes libraries are a big draw to iPhone. Give that to Android and Apple would probably sell some percentage less hardware.
 
Oh, Moto is due their money,

Sure they are. But are they due it from Apple. They are and they say that Apple is refusing etc.

But this could be like the Samsung situation where Apple is arguing that the company that created the component that uses the tech in question licensed to create the component AND it's use by whomever bought the component and thus Apple owes nothing and it would be double dipping to pay the patent owner, which is against FRAND.

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It's the way that Apple thinks that irritates me- you can't sell this product because it infringes on my patents, but screw you for thinking that because I infringed on your patents I shouldn't be allowed to sell my own product.

And what you think that Samsung thinks any different. They are the same way, just like every other company out there looking to make money.
 
People in Europe have got more pressing things to worry about. Unemployment at massive levels, huge debts, fuel and food costs high. Not being able to buy an iPhone for a few months isn't a priority.

Fixed it for you.
It is pretty bad all around in Western developed nations. May I suggest picking this book up from your local library. That is, if you are lucky enough to have one.
 
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Excellent news, nice to see the good guys win.

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They are more of a hardware company. That's where they make the majority of their money.

The money doesn't really define a company in this regard. In that area, Knight is right that they are neither. Because the money comes from the integration which is why folks buy at all. Especially when you consider that you can't just say "Lion costs $29, iLife costs $60 so all the rest of the money is from the hardware" because it isn't. It's 'markup' for the various services you get when you buy. And those services for the non geek 95% of buyers is just as much why they buy Apple and not Windows.

It's also why there were willing to make iTunes available for Windows. It helped sell hardware.

It was also to avoid anti-trust issues by not having PC compatibility.

It's also why you'll never see it available on Android

You won't see it on Android because at the moment Android isn't a computer OS, it's a device OS. So Android has no need for iTunes in the same sense that Mac OS and Windows has/had.

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Excellent news, nice to see the good guys win.

And when it turns out that Motorola was paid by the company that built the 3g components for Apple and they were trying to double dip, are you going to applaud them as good guys then. Because it is possible, which begs the suggestion that perhaps you should hold your applause until the case is actually over.
 
Apple should have never started these fury of lawsuits. They were outselling them (all competitors) outright without having to use "The Suits" involved. Only win here are lawyers.
 
Not a big deal. In a few months no one will be able to afford Apple products in Europe when their currency collpases.

When I look at how crappy the US Dollar and the US economy are doing, I think we will still be drinking beer in Europe when your currency has long disappeared from the face of the Earth. Besides, at least in France and Germany, we were all better off before the Euro.
 
Actually a lot of the people end up buying a Medion Lifetab.

It's half the price and sold by ALDI.

iPads and iPhones are stuff for posers and fashion victims - at least the high quota of Hartzies owning iPhone4S shows that.

Nobody with class uses an iPhone in Germany anymore.

LOL!

I guess doctors lack class. :rolleyes:


Doctors list why they love Apple products, and miss Steve

http://www.tuaw.com/2011/12/09/doctors-list-why-they-love-apple-products-and-miss-steve/

No wonder Moto and the rest of the competition is scrambling. Double LOL!
 
People in Europe have got more pressing things to worry about. Unemployment at massive levels, huge debts, fuel and food costs high. Not being able to buy an iPhone for a few months isn't a priority.

Greece certainly is not representative for the rest of Europe and it certainly has been worse a couple of times in the last forty years than it is today.

But you're right, buying an iPhone is no longer a priority. From what I've seen in Paris last week, Samsung is very aggressive and rapidly gaining market share. When I look at the Samsung vs Apple ratio in Germany, Apple has already lost the battle.
 
It is pretty bad all around in Western developed nations. May I suggest picking this book up from your local library. That is, if you are lucky enough to have one.

im not surprised the US is so much into debs. I watched some live us tv recently and was shocked at those commercials. Everything is promoted as "free" "affortable for everyone" on low credits credits credits.

I grew up with "never ever buy anything on credit, dont u dare" and to this day i dont


But you're right, buying an iPhone is no longer a priority. From what I've seen in Paris last week, Samsung is very aggressive and rapidly gaining market share. When I look at the Samsung vs Apple ratio in Germany, Apple has already lost the battle.

I sadly have to agree, all im seeing is Samsung lately and ppl r like "lol u still have an iphone" and my god those "whos gonna sue apple next" or "can u send me this song over bluetooth ... Oh wait" jokes r getting annoying
 
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Greece certainly is not representative for the rest of Europe and it certainly has been worse a couple of times in the last forty years than it is today.

But you're right, buying an iPhone is no longer a priority. From what I've seen in Paris last week, Samsung is very aggressive and rapidly gaining market share. When I look at the Samsung vs Apple ratio in Germany, Apple has already lost the battle.
To be honest hardware subsidizes move hardware but I tend to also look at the monthly costs.

I could easily get a used iPhone 4 but $549 for the "new" 8 GB model is a bit much. Many vendors still list the new iPod Touch at fourth generation as well.
 
Bingo. ;)

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Apple is probably the only ones that both :

- did not license the patent from Motorola after implementing it
- Pissed off Motorola enough through other lawsuits so that Motorola used the patent.
You missed one.
- Making it clear they intend to take down everyone going after Android in court.

I can see part of the agreement being making it impossible for Apple to sue Motorola in any way shape or form with some patent trading going on. I can see the agreement buying Android a lot of protection from Apple.
 
Though some may say Apple deserves it from what they've been trying to pull with their lawsuits, there is the old saying, "two wrongs don't make a right."

All these lawsuits aren't good for any consumer.
 
People in Europe have got more pressing things to worry about. Unemployment at massive levels, huge debts, fuel and food costs high. Not being able to buy an iPhone for a few months isn't a priority.

Fortunately our government will take care of us so we can buy our expensive materialist thing. :rolleyes:
 
It was also to avoid anti-trust issues by not having PC compatibility.

I'm happy to be proved wrong, but I'm fairly confident that had nothing to do with it. It was simply a way to sell iPods to Windows users. And I'd say a fairly successful one at that. With out iTunes on Windows I doubt Apple is as big as it is today.

Antitrust issues surrounding iTunes had do do w/ DRM and the inablility to play purchased music on other mp3 players.
 
Here's the take on the state of affairs, from those living outside of Apple's Walled Garden. Apparently the other shoe has dropped.


"Turn about fair play"

Instant karma is gonna get you
J3R3MY_H

Live by litigation, Die by litigation!
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So, to summarize, Apple managed to get Samsung products banned in Germany and now Moto got Apple products banned as well.
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Apple deserves this setback

See what happens when you play with fire... You get burned!!! Thank you Apple for starting these Patent battles..


http://www.itworld.com/networking/2...atent-case-ipad-and-iphone-sales-ban-possible
 
As a developer myself this is the dumbest thing I've read in a while. Why should my work not be protected?

It is (regardless). Its called "Copyright". Look it up. Imagine a world where you couldn't even use a sorting algorithm without paying a license fee - where you'd have to reinvent the wheel each time you wrote even part of an application. Not much fun being a developer anymore then, huh?

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That'll be a lot of pissed consumers in Germany.

Watch iPhone demand there quadruple.

The funny thing is that injunctions against Apple don't actually stop insane demand.

Why would it quadruple? Aren't you the guy who always says that people don't pay attention to these things?

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I thought the MBP were suppose to be so great from what I've heard from Mac people, but my brother, who has owned a couple of them, recently told me that they are just as crappy as any other laptop. He had problems with the display, which was replaced twice. Then one of the memory banks went bad on the mainboard. The Apple Genius told him that the logic board would need replaced, and he would be better off just purchasing a whole new MBP. He did get a new one just because he had personal insurance on it and also his wife is use to Mac OS. He also told me that every time he has gone to the Apple store, it seems like someone is there with a broken Mac laptop.

Apple do seem to have run into QC-issues lately. Not that strange, given the extreme rise in demand. But sad, still. We're experiencing quite a lot of issues with our mac products too. Machines that won't turn on after sleep. Trackpads that stop to respond. I/O boards in need of replacement. Heck, one even came out of the box with a huge liquid spill. For Apples sake, i really hope they figure it out.

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Oh, Moto is due their money, there's no question about that. What they did was play an old 3G technology FRAND card. Right out of Nokia's playbook. There's not much anyone can do about that.

Given that, and what they've been doing for the past few years in the industry (starting out lame and finishing even more lame), and it will quickly become obvious why they became buyout bait.

There is one thing that no injunction against Apple in 2011 (and for the foreseeable future) can actually prevent, and which an injunction will probably make worse. This:

https://www.macrumors.com/2011/12/09/grand-central-terminal-packed-for-apple-retail-store-opening/

You can stop bitching and pay up. Hows that for a start. Not like they dont have the money to. Apple had the choice of making a binding offer. They didn't. Thats Apples choice - not Moto's.
 
It is (regardless). Its called "Copyright". Look it up. Imagine a world where you couldn't even use a sorting algorithm without paying a license fee - where you'd have to reinvent the wheel each time you wrote even part of an application. Not much fun being a developer anymore then, huh?

I do pay a licensing fee to use Microsoft's .Net framework. Most free open source frameworks have specified licenses as well.
 
*shakes head*

It's depressing to watch all of these patent battles. Everyone suing everyone else. Ridiculous.

Welcome to the real world. Patents are a fact of life in the big city.

Motorola's patents cover low-level technology common to all 3G devices. Apple didn't pay them to license those patents in the past. Now they'll pay. Cost of doing business. FRAND ("Fair, Reasonable, And Non-Discriminatory") encumbrances in basic technology patents such as Motorola's means that they must offer to license the patented technology to all who wish to use it. They can't single out Apple and prevent Apple from licensing any of their patents.

On the other hand, Apple has many patents that cover "trade dress," the look-and-feel and industrial design. And they'll defend them. Would Honda allow Toyota to make a near-perfect copy of the Honda Accord? No. Same thing.
 
Welcome to the real world. Patents are a fact of life in the big city.

Motorola's patents cover low-level technology common to all 3G devices. Apple didn't pay them to license those patents in the past. Now they'll pay. Cost of doing business. FRAND ("Fair, Reasonable, And Non-Discriminatory") encumbrances in basic technology patents such as Motorola's means that they must offer to license the patented technology to all who wish to use it. They can't single out Apple and prevent Apple from licensing any of their patents.

On the other hand, Apple has many patents that cover "trade dress," the look-and-feel and industrial design. And they'll defend them. Would Honda allow Toyota to make a near-perfect copy of the Honda Accord? No. Same thing.

But the Accord and Camry both have doors, windows, tires and engines. So if Honda wants to be like Apple, they'd sue.
 
Apple money funding new Android phones I like it! This will hopefully open the door to Samsung unleashing their networking patents to cause further damage to Apple. :cool:
 
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