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Motorola Wins Preliminary Injunction, Could Bar Sales of iPhone and 3G iPad in Europe [Updated x2]

AppleScruff1 said:
It should be, but since Apple isn't a software company Apple fans are only concerned about hardware being protected. They forget the fact that the hardware is a paperweight without the software. And it must really bother them that Apple didn't invent the cell phone.
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Apple is NOT a hardware company. Lets take any Macintosh computer, shall we?

- Hard Drive: Toshiba, Seagate, other
- Optical Drive: Sony, Pioneer, other
- RAM: samsung, other
- Processor: Intel
- Motherboard: Intel
- Video Card: ATI
- LCD panel: Samsung

So where does apple's hardware come into play? All Apple does is slap all the pieces together, the same way that Dell does this.

Apple *IS* a software company. You don't think OS X just 'magically' popped up on its own out of thin air? What about iOS? Safari? Final Cut? iMovie? iTunes? Etc?
 
*LTD* said:
They really aren't. It's a FRAND issue. It's not an attempt by Moto to protect the integrity of a product, it's just an attempt to extract money from Apple
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/LTD mode on

No, is Motorola protecting their IP from copy cats and thieves that doesn't want to pay what they has to pay

/LTD mode off
 
Oletros said:
/LTD mode on

No, is Motorola protecting their IP from copy cats and thieves that doesn't want to pay what they has to pay

/LTD mode off
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Oh, Moto is due their money, there's no question about that. What they did was play an old 3G technology FRAND card. Right out of Nokia's playbook. There's not much anyone can do about that.

Given that, and what they've been doing for the past few years in the industry (starting out lame and finishing even more lame), and it will quickly become obvious why they became buyout bait.

There is one thing that no injunction against Apple in 2011 (and for the foreseeable future) can actually prevent, and which an injunction will probably make worse. This:

https://www.macrumors.com/2011/12/09/grand-central-terminal-packed-for-apple-retail-store-opening/
 
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Again, desperate times call for desperate measures. This is the only way the competition can compete. Obviously their inferior products are no match for Apple. LOL.
 
linux2mac said:
Again, desperate times call for desperate measures. This is the only way the competition can compete. Obviously their inferior products are no match for Apple. LOL.
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So that must be why apple is suing to block Samsung. They are scared that samsungs product will beat them so they are using to courts to stop them.
 
Rodimus Prime said:
So that must be why apple is suing to block Samsung. They are scared that samsungs product will beat them so they are using to courts to stop them.
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I don't think so. Folks just want the better products these days and realize Apple makes them. Think people would be lining up by the masses at all these Apple stores to buy Zune quality products?

iPhone and iPad are the best phone and tablet out there. And MBA's are the best laptops. Even the HP chairman knows that.

Chairman Ray Lane Caught Using A MacBook Air At Home
http://articles.businessinsider.com...4477_1_leo-apotheker-hp-executive-pc-business
 
Mac Fanboy, but Anti-iPhone Fanboy

michaelsviews said:
Your more than likely correct on that
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What is he correct? Universal money is not the land currency money. And you as american soul, should know, that still ur dollars are very cheap to compare to euro. And lets not talk about the jobless rate in america. So before you selfish ass push down europe, take care of your own ass first.

But for me, i hope they ban iPhone completly in europe and also in other places, because apple never hears, what customers really want. I am not against the iOS or the iPhone, but more apples policy in bouncing people and enslaveing them as they would want. No choices and no freedom, thats apple policy in iPhone market. What i mean is no flash and no real bluetooth shareing with other devices than iPhones. Viva la europe, viva android;^)
 
linux2mac said:
Again, desperate times call for desperate measures. This is the only way the competition can compete. Obviously their inferior products are no match for Apple. LOL.
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It's the same stuff we saw here:

https://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/14/nokia-enters-into-patent-license-agreement-with-apple/

Nokia: The Sequel.

FRAND licensing of old, worldwide wireless tech patents is really all these dinosaurs have. Their junk isn't selling so it's time to pull these patents out from under the floorboards, dust them off, and wave them around in the air.

It doesn't actually help redesign the Xoom.
 
well, what goes around comes around - Apple wanted to play this idiotic legal game - now everyone is playing and actually winning some.
 
*LTD* said:
It's the same stuff we saw here:

https://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/14/nokia-enters-into-patent-license-agreement-with-apple/

Nokia: The Sequel.

FRAND licensing of old, worldwide wireless tech patents is really all these dinosaurs have. Their junk isn't selling so it's time to pull these patents out from under the floorboards, dust them off, and wave them around in the air.

It doesn't actually help redesign the Xoom.
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It's not that old and it's a real innovation. At the time when Apple was busy perfecting Expose and Spaces other companies were actually inventing and developing wireless technologies which made iPhone possible. Apple has to pay them one way or another.
 
macintoshi said:
because apple never hears, what customers really want.
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More iDevices. That sorta explains their insane demand.

I think with the dominant mobile OS in the market and the lion's share of the profits, Apple has a pretty good grasp on what the bulk of the market is looking for.

I'd be a little more worried about the non-Apple tablet makers, for example, who can barely sell anything. Do you think they're in tune with what the market expects?
 
*LTD* said:
More iDevices. That sorta explains their insane demand.

I think with the dominant mobile OS in the market and the lion's share of the profits, Apple has a pretty good grasp on what the bulk of the market is looking for.

I'd be a little more worried about the non-Apple tablet makers, for example, who can barely sell anything. Do you think they're in tune with what the market expects?
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Tobe clear, i was one of the first lovers of iPhone. The problem is me as customers and of course a phone lover, want at least have a free choice of lets say base functions. Android offers that. It offers for example bluetooth shareing to all devices and flash. You don't need to use bluetooth all times, nor flash, thats maybe once in a month lets say for bluetooth and flash sometimes on visiting pages. But its a free choice. Apple does not respect customer freedom and also not theyr free choice, but the phone is overpriced and for what it is, its surely not better than any android phones in the market now. Samsung s2 lte beats iphone in many ways. So i am happy and released to have an android phone as a customer.
 
wikus said:
Apple is NOT a hardware company.

Apple *IS* a software company.
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Apple is neither. Apple is a vertical systems integrator and vendor. They do both hardware and software and package it as a single product.

This may come to a shock to some younger folks, but Apple is not the only one in the course of the industry's history to have such a business model. Atari, IBM, HP, Digital, Compaq have all played (or a still playing) the vertical integration game.

To refer to Apple as either a hardware or a software vendor is false.
 
I know Motorola did a lot of work for the development of GPRS (heck I remember my Dad having pre-release Motorola GPRS devices), but what have Apple done that's different to everyone else?
Are Apple the only ones to have copied Motorola's exact implementation of data packet transfer technology, or are Apple the only ones not to have paid Motorola for a licence?
 
allmIne said:
Read it again, Knight.

ETA wait a second, I'm guessing you're having a dig at BMW haha! In which case, ignore me :)
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Bingo. ;)

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Westyfield2 said:
I know Motorola did a lot of work for the development of GPRS (heck I remember my Dad having pre-release Motorola GPRS devices), but what have Apple done that's different to everyone else?
Are Apple the only ones to have copied Motorola's exact implementation of data packet transfer technology, or are Apple the only ones not to have paid Motorola for a licence?
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Apple is probably the only ones that both :

- did not license the patent from Motorola after implementing it
- Pissed off Motorola enough through other lawsuits so that Motorola used the patent.
 
I feel sorry for the apple store staff who will no longer be needed when the ban happens. So many unskilled workers looking for jobs at once.
 
Brilliant response from Apple that highlights the reality of the situation:

“We’re going to appeal the court’s ruling right away,” an Apple spokesperson told AllThingsD. “Holiday shoppers in Germany should have no problem finding the iPad or iPhone they want.”

What do you think is on consumers' Christmas lists? Xooms? Lol
 
I suspect this is one of two things:

1) a proxy fight on behalf of Google/Android; similar to Apple versus HTC and Samsung.

2) an act of desperation of a company in seriously bad financial health.

Apple should just pay Motorola with money they find in their sofas and be done with it. Regardless, any impact on iPhone sales will be negligible at best.
 
MacNewsFix said:
I suspect this is one of two things:

1) a proxy fight on behalf of Google/Android; similar to Apple versus HTC and Samsung.

2) an act of desperation of a company in seriously bad financial health.

Apple should just pay Motorola with money they find in their sofas and be done with it. Regardless, any impact on iPhone sales will be negligible at best.
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I kinda feel sorry for Moto. That like Nokia, they've become this sad and pathetic in their old age. There was a time when they made decent products and were able to respond to market forces (which to be fair, were moving along at a glacial pace.)

Apple in 2007 and later in 2010 destroyed a lot of comfortable (but hopelessly dated) business strategies in the mobile sector.

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ptysell said:
just
buy
motorola
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You posted this for the lolz, right?
 
*LTD* said:
Brilliant response from Apple that highlights the reality of the situation:

“We’re going to appeal the court’s ruling right away,” an Apple spokesperson told AllThingsD. “Holiday shoppers in Germany should have no problem finding the iPad or iPhone they want.”

What do you think is on consumers' Christmas lists? Xooms? Lol
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Actually a lot of the people end up buying a Medion Lifetab.

It's half the price and sold by ALDI.

iPads and iPhones are stuff for posers and fashion victims - at least the high quota of Hartzies owning iPhone4S shows that.

Nobody with class uses an iPhone in Germany anymore.
 
I love my Apple products but it's nice to see the bully get their nose bloodied some. The majority of Apple consumers are going to be Apple consumers regardless of what the competition brings out, provided the Apple product is comparable. The ONLY people I see benefiting from all these law suits are the lawyers on either side. Not Apple, or Motorola, or Samsung, or Google and certainly not us consumers.
 
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