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Motorola Wins Preliminary Injunction, Could Bar Sales of iPhone and 3G iPad in Europe [Updated x2]

KnightWRX said:
Apple needs to hurry and drop Motorola an offer for that license (just like Samsung removed the offending animation from their photo gallery app). All these injunctions do is harm consumers, from both sides. All these patent debates are not about "blatant copies", never have been and anyone pretending so is probably so biased to one side you can easily just dismiss their arguments.

There should never have been any injunctions granted, much less asked for. Let the parties go to trial and if they are found guilty of infringement, then award damages.

As consumers, we really need to not side with any corporations in this. They are all costing us money in the end with these endless trials over their "IP" which is often found invalidated or too specific to cover the implementation by the party getting sued.
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Apple should just stop selling to the EU.
 
lilo777 said:
It's not that old and it's a real innovation. At the time when Apple was busy perfecting Expose and Spaces other companies were actually inventing and developing wireless technologies which made iPhone possible. Apple has to pay them one way or another.
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Wireless technology invention goes back to Tesla. Today is all refinement.
 
"Holiday shoppers in Germany should have no problem finding the iPad or iPhone they want."
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Yes, but it's OK to make shoppers in Germany have problems finding the Galaxy Tab they want. Funny.

What goes around comes around, Apple.
 
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edenwaith said:
*shakes head*

It's depressing to watch all of these patent battles. Everyone suing everyone else. Ridiculous.
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I agree. And is it just me, or does it seem like the courts are getting sick of them, too? Nothing specific, but it seems that there are a lot of cases out three right now, and the only trend is that they are wildly inconsistent. I fully expect that this case, like the others, will just end up with everyone still being able to sell their stuff.
 
*LTD* said:
You posted this for the lolz, right?
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Why not?

Then they would OWN the patents and collect royalties on them from other manufacturers while keeping them out of the hands of Google.

They have plenty of cash.

win/win

Apple needs to stop tip toeing around and take the gloves off.
 
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I sort of want this to happen, after the whole Android / Samsung ban that Apple pursued. That would be pretty sweet karma.

Then no more of this nonsense.
 
Westyfield2 said:
I know Motorola did a lot of work for the development of GPRS (heck I remember my Dad having pre-release Motorola GPRS devices), but what have Apple done that's different to everyone else?
Are Apple the only ones to have copied Motorola's exact implementation of data packet transfer technology, or are Apple the only ones not to have paid Motorola for a licence?
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For anyone interested here's the patent details, and here's the USA equivalent. It's all to do with the countdown procedure and working out of the transmission block count. Clever stuff :).
 
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ptysell said:
Just
Buy
Motorola
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Google called. They said to tell you it's too late.
 
ptysell said:
Why not?

Then they would OWN the patents and collect royalties on them from other manufacturers while keeping them out of the hands of Google.

They have plenty of cash.

win/win

Apple needs to stop tip toeing around and take the gloves off.
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You really need to follow the news a little more closely.
 
*LTD* said:
Except they don't.

http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/11/22/npd.shows.hp.leading.us.tablets.for.most.of.2011/

Barely any non-Apple tablet makers are able to move product. It's been this way since the iPad's release.
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I don't care if consumers don't want it. It's the way that Apple thinks that irritates me- you can't sell this product because it infringes on my patents, but screw you for thinking that because I infringed on your patents I shouldn't be allowed to sell my own product.

By the way, even if not everyone wants the Tab, the few consumers who wants one should not be stopped from being able to purchase one, going by Apple's way of thinking.
 
People in Europe have got more pressing things to worry about. Unemployment at massive levels, huge debts, fuel and food costs high. Not being able to buy an iPhone for a few months isn't a priority.
 
You poke a hornets nest, you get stung.

Let's hope that now that Apple is starting to feel the heat too they'll (Apple and the Android manufacturers) all get round a table, thrash out a deal and get back to bringing decent products to market, instead of paying huge lawyer bills.

I want the freedom to choose an Android product or an Apple product, the one that fills my need, not the one that won in the courtroom.
 
smali said:
People in USA have got more pressing things to worry about. Unemployment at massive levels, huge debts, fuel and food costs high. Not being able to buy an iPhone for a few months isn't a priority.
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Fixed it for you.
 
iBug2 said:
Nope. At least in certain industries it's shown statistically that innovation and inventions increased when patents have begun to be given. Medicine is one of them.

That doesn't say the system is perfect, it just says it's working.
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Again, I disagree that it's "working". There may indeed be more patents being filed for drugs by these large drug companies, but that doesn't necessarily equate to better drugs, or more affordable drugs. The consumer loses and, I'd argue, the small inventor also loses because, similar to regulations, the large companies can afford to handle the high costs of meeting regulations, hiring lawyers, etc., while the independent inventor cannot.

Here's a good primer on why eliminating patents on pharmaceuticals would actually be a *good* thing:
http://www.libertarianstandard.com/2010/04/01/drugs-without-patents-profit-and-cornucopia/

And here are several resources discussing the absurdity of intellectual "property" in general:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/4055.html
 
Rhett3 said:
Well that's not good.
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It's actually neither good nor bad. There's been no declaration of an immediate ban on sales so at the moment there's no practical negative effect. Motorola actually had to post a bond to pay damages if they call for a ban and lose in the end. So changes are they won't actually call for that ban until after they have a final judgement with no appeals left for Apple

Who knows what Apple could pull out of the rabbits hat by then.
 
danny_w said:
Well it's about time actually. Apple has been so litigious of late that they must expect some lawsuits to go against them and so must be ready to take their own medicine. I am getting so sick and tired of all of these lawsuits.
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If you are shocked by all these cases then you know little about IP laws.

Also, every company out there has just as many cases going. Apple isn't anything special on that front. It just feels like it because articles about Apple get hits so sites and blogs will always post them, but ignore other companies. So it feels like Apple is at this way more than others.

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ChazUK said:
These lawsuits are starting to damage consumer choice.
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On the contrary, if successful they will actually create choice. Because you'll no longer have the same burger everywhere but it is called the Big Mac here and the Whopper there. You'll be able to choose which different burger you want. And while they will have the common elements of a bun and ground beef, you decide if you want the one with cheddar, lettuce, pickles and mayo. Or the one with tomatoes, onions, ranch and the meat is actually divided into two thinner patties with an extra piece of bread and no cheese. Or whatever the details happen to be

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rmwebs said:
I think he was also referring to the Samsung case which was basically thrown out today: http://9to5mac.com/2011/12/09/samsu...ives-galaxy-tab-10-1-a-go-ahead-in-australia/

It was rightfully concluded that Samsung did not copy the iPad. Apple didnt help themselves by submitting doctored evidence though
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On the contrary the case wasn't thrown out and no such conclusion, or any conclusion has been made.
 
Good for Apple. Another day to learn something new. They have been extremely litigious; although its deserving in some cases but not all. They need to be more patient. Surely, Apple has been getting a bad name in the recent times.

Apple PR needs to get on real work too, I guess.

On another note, did you guys really read the claims of the patent?

Counter algorithm? Ridiculous.
 
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