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I agree with you that the Motorola camera protrudes in a hideous way.

May I kindly ask you to refrain from blasphemy?

Many thanks.

You do realize that "blasphemy" only exists in the minds of some, right? It's not universal. Had you asked me to refrain from whatever you consider to be blasphemous, I'd have said no. How can you expect everyone to keep a list of your own subjective magic words? You may ask your children to accommodate your language preferences, but not an internet forum.
 
Jack is dead. Deal with it.

In the distant future, Apple will declare the SD card dead, put ExpressCard slots in all their laptops instead, tell consumers to deal with it, and eventually the market will catch up. The distant future... the year 2007.
 
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Not to mention that Lightning gives Apple many many advantages that they would lose over direct USB. Lightning isn't only the shape of a connector or just a pipe for data, but is also an entire spec on it's own.
By using Lightning, they are able to remove the iDevice's connection dependencies from internally (the extension and device, HDMI and iPad for example) to the cord itself. This was a monumental achievement by Apple and they were not given enough credit, honestly.

Basically, this means that Apple can produce cables with any sort of arbitrary connection to any other device regardless of the iOS hardware on the other end. This is why it only required a new AV cord to pipe 1080p quality content (and not a new iPad) versus the original AV connector which could only deliver 720 - the actual conversion of AirPlay-packed video to HDMI was done in the cord itself.

They also control a few other things: The doors to the iPhone and iPad accessory market: We've seen lashback of people producing horrid quality connectors and chargers, imagine if there were even less regulation on that market? And Apple also has the ability to build custom protocols into Lightning for their own benefit: Lightning accessories are able to update themselves from the iOS device, meaning software and firmware improvements can be silently pushed down the stack.

USB Type C is not only similar to Lightning, it very well could be superior at everything you just listed. This isn't must a new Micro-USB connector.
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You don't have to have BOTH Lightning and USB-C headphones. You'll have one set of digital headphones, with to without wireless capabilities, and two cables. Or one cable and an adapter for the devices you most routinely use.



Your new MacBook Pro will have a Lightning connector built in. You'll be able to use one Lightning cable with everything.

By the time USB-C becomes widespread, I fully expect Apple to have improved wireless audio to a point where most everyone will chose it over wired audio, as well as perfected wireless charging to the point where no one will need a cable of any kind except as a back-up emergency.

Where are you getting this? Apple is behind USB Type C, they assisted in its design (some say completely designed it themselves). Your next MacBook Pro will have USB Type C as its primary everything, count on it.
 
The headphone jack is reliable, provides good quality sound and allows the iPhone to be charged whilst listening to music.

Bluetooth is unreliable. Using the Lightning connector doesn't allow for charging. In addition, lightning cables are proprietary and of poor quality compared to 3.5" cables.

There is no good case to be made for removing the headphone jack, and if Apple do, they will see severe falls in iPhone sales and their share price.


If they finally move to wireless charging it sounds like a good idea to me and i wont mind it because i dont like that lint catch hole much anyway... But if they dont go to wireless charging so that you can do that and charge simultaniously without an adapter then i think its a stupid idea and i agree with you.

And lightening cables do suck (for pricing and for that garbage material they use) so i agree with others to just move to USB-C, and keep the regular headphone jack (if no wireless). And use the regular standard cable material that holds up WAY longer and doesnt turn into chewing gum like the lightening cable and those lousy things that come with the iphones apple calls earbuds.
 
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Yeah, it always looks like a unreasonable comparison.

And "chubby Ive" does not work for Motorola.
In the distant future, Apple will declare the SD card dead, put ExpressCard slots in all their laptops instead, tell consumers to deal with it, and eventually the market will catch up. The distant future... the year 2007.

Uh? What Express ports had to do with SD? And when did Apple declare SD dead? My MBP has a SD port.
 
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This is an interesting thought. I wonder if Apple will include lightning headphones w/ iPhone 7 that have a famale lightning port built in. If executed well it could allow for simultaneous charging/wired headphones, and could maybe be a more compact way to dual-connect charger and headphones. Wish I had the means to create a mock-up of what I'm imagining...

Could also go the other way and ship iPhone 7 with a charging cable that has an additional, famale lightning port to plug in headphones.

I doubt Apple will have a Lightning pass through port on any of their products, because it's not exactly elegant. That said, they did essentially create something similar with the Apple Pencil charging adapter, so anything is possible. Passthrough on the Lightning earbuds included in the box? -- probably not; they have to shave costs somewhere as that will be mode expensive for them the the free earbuds they ship now, if for no other reason than they have offer the highest quality experience possible to see the elimination of the headphone jack. But as third party digital headphones will have removable cables, I would expect someone who actually needs to charge and connect headphones at the same time would buy one that does that. I have never needed to do that, and that's probably true for many people.

Another solution for Lightning charging would be a pass-through port on the headphones themselves. Beats already offers headphones that can be daisy chained together so your friend can plug into your headphones. Changing this to a Lightning port would allow other Lightning headphones to daisy chain, as well as plug a charger into the headphones and pass through to charge the phone. There are MANY ways to skin this cat ...

Where are you getting this? Apple is behind USB Type C, they assisted in its design (some say completely designed it themselves). Your next MacBook Pro will have USB Type C as its primary everything, count on it.

Do you really think Apple will remove the 3.5mm jack from the iPhone, with Lightning as the only option for connecting wired headphones, and force their Mac customers to buy an adapter to use their Lightning headphones? Absolutely not. They will add a Lightning port for native connection of Lightning audio products. And with that come numerous additional uses. The rMB will benefit the most as the one USB-C port can remain open for peripherals while the Lightning port can be used for charging, and headphones, and even an additional USB 3 data port if necessary.
 
I don't believe other companies remove headphone jack just because of rumors Apple will do the same. It's just stupid. Can't be a coincidence either. Sounds more like behind-the-scenes deal of some kind for whatever reason.

I think Apple and other companies are in sync more or less with each other when it comes to transitioning to improved technology, especially when it includes eliminating a longtime standard. I'm know Apple, Samsung and other companies have reps that participate in meetings that provide "guidelines" for future product development.
 


With the iPhone 7 and beyond, users will need wireless headphones, headphones with a Lightning connector, or a Lightning-to-3.5mm jack adapter, which have already begun surfacing. The switch to Lightning looks like nothing more than an inconvenience on the surface, but as we outlined in a recent video, there are benefits in the form of a potential boost to audio quality.

My initial reaction is that audiophile and iphone shouldn't be used in the same article, but I guess compared to 128 mp3's on stock earbuds, anything is an improvement.

It someone invests in high-end headphones and has high quality music (at least 320, if not lossless), you'll get better sound. But for the 90%+ of people just use the stock earbuds and 256 music or worse music, there's little benefit.

It's not just an adapter during the transition, it's long term. This comes with the price of carrying at least one dongle (so you can charge and listen at the same time). That's fine if you're stationary but sucks on the go. It's like leaving the umbilical cord attached to a baby until they're 16.

Wireless headphones don't have the battery life, power, or comfort to replace wired ones (the collar style are annoying as hell). Apple's all about making devices thinner, but they stubbornly refuse to acknowledge how people really use the hardware - we plug things in, both to the device, and the device to the wall. Even the iPad doesn't have enough charge for a long flight, and now we'll have to carry a dongle to use it? When the device has 24 hour active use battery life, then we can talk about making it thinner. Until then, focus on real-world battery life, not on thinness.

Besides, if Apple really cared about music quality, they'd let iTunes autosample to 320, and sell lossless or 24-bit source material.

It looks like they may do the same thing with the Mac. The Magsafe connector has saved my machine multiple times over the years....i'll be sad to see it go. At least they're rumored to put 4 on the new pro, so after the monitor and power, you still have two.

And a whole new set of dongles and adapters to buy.
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Hope Apple also moves to USB-C on iPhone. Would love to have a single power adapter for my MacBook-(pro) and iPhone.
That's the one hope - and finally to get decent sync speeds too.

USB 2 lighting must die.
 
USB Type C is not only similar to Lightning, it very well could be superior at everything you just listed. This isn't must a new Micro-USB connector.

The similarities are what give weight for Apple's involvement with USB-C, but it's mostly structural and not necessarily functional, and not involved in the 3.1 spec which is entirely independent. USB-C is just another wrapper, really, and the movement of hardware dependence to the chain is a Lightning-only achievement. USB-C (2-3.1) still requires the endpoints, or at least one of them, to translate each type of data accepted.
 
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That Moto personifies the skinny nerd with the big ugly unmissable zit. What is the point of making ultra thin phones if the entire phone isn't ultra thin?
 
i really hate the idea of removing the 3.5 mm jack, BUT in my honest opinion if Apple wants to do this why not change the Lightning port for a USB-C? Apple seems to want to put USB-C on every product they make but they will make a new iphone with Lightning? Apple, if you want to push USB-C, use it on your best selling product.
 
i really hate the idea of removing the 3.5 mm jack, BUT in my honest opinion if Apple wants to do this why not change the Lightning port for a USB-C? Apple seems to want to put USB-C on every product they make but they will make a new iphone with Lightning? Apple, if you want to push USB-C, use it on your best selling product.

Sorry, what? Apple wants to put USB-C on every product they make? Based on what? It's on the rMB, and rumored to be on the MBP. It's a service port on the TV. Lightning is on almost every product they make except the Macs themselves currently (but it's on the Mac peripherals). I think you have it backwards. Apple will be putting Lightning on the Mac, before they force over 200 million iOS users to yet again change over all of their cables and adapters to yet a new port that won't even be mainstream for a few years, by which time wireless will most likely eliminate the need for any connectors on a mobile device.
 



Amid rumors suggesting Apple will remove the headphone jack in upcoming the iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus, Lenovo-owned Motorola today announced the Moto Z and the Z Force, two new smartphones that eschew headphone jacks in favor of an ultra-thin design.

Sans headphone jack, Motorola has managed to shrink the Moto Z down to 5.19mm thick, while the Z Force, Motorola's more powerful smartphone, measures in at 6.9mm thick. Instead of a headphone jack, both devices feature a single USB-C port which will require a USB-C to 3.5mm jack adapter to use with existing headphones with a 3.5mm headphone plug.
Article Link: Motorola's New 'Moto Z' and 'Z Force' Smartphones Have No Headphone Jack

It's not even a first for Motorola, their older SLVR L7 iTunes-equipped "candy bar" phone (before the iPhone) required the use of a mini-USB-to-3.5mm adapter. My phone is long since gone, but I still have that adapter in a box of "miscellaneous cell phone cords"...
 
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