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Mozilla is 'Extremely Disappointed' With Implementation of Apple's EU Browser Engine Change
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So you think it’s a sane decision to disallow the feature on an iPad when it’s been allowed on an iPhone?
I just love how everyone on here seems to think this won’t somehow end up with a browser monopoly for Chromium-based browsers.
Welcome to 1997 Microsoft.
Welcome to 1997 Microsoft.
List 3 things affecting users that use WebKit.
Yeah. That’s Apple’s playbook. The only way to get Apple to change is to change the rules they operate under.
If you’re in the EU, petition the EU government to do something about it.
Funny thing is Steve Jobs originally never wanted an app store when the iPhone first came out. He wanted everyone to make web-apps instead so he could keep iOS even more locked down. Now the App Store keeps making them so much money that it seems almost insane that he wanted to pass that up
It's amazing how many people don't understand what they have/haven't been using
(Safari skins, not actual other browsers)
It explains so much of the rest of the uninformed commentary around all things Apple
As long as Android and its derivative exist, this talk point will never die. I feel very sorry that Microsoft took way too long to react how important mobile market is. Had windows phone properly took off, Apple might not believe they can just BAU however they like.
Oh, no! There are unforeseen hardships! Who could have known when EU regulators, who have never had to design, build nor support ANY technology, would have created a set of regulations that would end up with things being worse? Of course, the answer is literally anyone who was paying attention to GDPR
While support for alternative browser engines sounds like a win for browser companies, Mozilla spokesperson Damiano DeMonte told The Verge that Firefox is "extremely disappointed" with the way Apple is implementing the feature because it does not extend to the iPad.Firefox uses the Gecko engine and could swap to that on the iPhone, but it would need to continue using WebKit on the iPad. According to DeMonte, Apple's implementation of the DMA does not give consumers "viable choices" because it makes it "as painful as possible" for companies to provide alternatives to Safari.
Even John Gruber at daringfireball.netThe European Commission expected that the GDPR would result in websites prioritizing the privacy of E.U. users — a better web in Europe than elsewhere. Instead, the result was increased user annoyance under a nonstop daily barrage of consent popovers — a worse web in Europe than elsewhere. I suspect the same will prove true of the DMA and mobile platforms.
Windows Phone was brilliant with how they handled notifications with “tiles” on the main screen.
Whilst you have a point - if you can’t see that this is apples doing then I’m afraid you’re being somewhat shortsighted.Oh, no! There are unforeseen hardships! Who could have known when EU regulators, who have never had to design, build nor support ANY technology, would have created a set of regulations that would end up with things being worse? Of course, the answer is literally anyone who was paying attention to GDPR
The European Commission expected that the GDPR would result in websites prioritizing the privacy of E.U. users — a better web in Europe than elsewhere. Instead, the result was increased user annoyance under a nonstop daily barrage of consent popovers — a worse web in Europe than elsewhere. I suspect the same will prove true of the DMA and mobile platforms.
I would disagree with that - the iPad is going just fine, despite the lack of any competition - and that not really being because Apple did something amazing, but because everyone else seemed to forgor about tablets in the mid-10s until it was too late to counter Apple effectively.This is another reason why people having mixed feelings about iPads presently because its seems like iPadOS is gong no where as fast as iOS. Like when Classical came out it was iOS and using it on a iPad didn't allow for the larger display to be used effectively with its more involved interface of artwork. Instead you just enlarged a IOS app to grow in size.
So here is this alternative browser support example again being centered around the iOS so making iPadOS users 2nd class citizens once more. Give us some love Apple?
The distinction for the EU is probably that they mandated phones, and that does not include tablets. They really should have better anticipated the shenanigans Apple would pull.
And how effective and powerful Apple PR has been on various issues involving them. It’s just terrifying to even think about it. Thankfully some judges and regulators don’t buy all of their PR stunt and EU took the lead.
For the record, Firefox has been so inconsequential, they desperately need to penetrate more of mobile user base to improve their engine and have more exposure.
Free plug for the iOS app “Hush Nag Blocker”, which blocks said GDPR cookie pop-ups on EVERY website.Oh, no! There are unforeseen hardships! Who could have known when EU regulators, who have never had to design, build nor support ANY technology, would have created a set of regulations that would end up with things being worse? Of course, the answer is literally anyone who was paying attention to GDPR
The European Commission expected that the GDPR would result in websites prioritizing the privacy of E.U. users — a better web in Europe than elsewhere. Instead, the result was increased user annoyance under a nonstop daily barrage of consent popovers — a worse web in Europe than elsewhere. I suspect the same will prove true of the DMA and mobile platforms.
It’s ridiculous we need an extension to block a legally required notice because it ruins the user experience.
Sadly it died, and I never got the chance to properly experience it.
They’ve spent years carefully crafting and cultivating a nice system, and instead of responding properly to the new rules, they are chucking their toys out of the pram. iOS and iPadOS share apps, and suddenly, overnight, that only works in certain circumstances and in certain parts of the world. Talk about cutting the nose off to spite the face.
Certainly lets you block some company putting whatever they feel like on your computer though - so there’s that.
You install it from Firefox’ Add-on menu.
How? You can choose not to use the 3rd party app store and the laws do JACK to change anything.
You can choose to not leave the walled garden and again it does not affect you.
If you you think the app store keeps you safe then I have some magic beans to sell you. Remember the apple App reviewers are little more than trained monkeys poking around on the app. The real security is OS level and those requires an app reviewer or no review is gong to change that.
Remember they are trained monkey's reviewing the app so anything that is against the rules can be remotely turned off so never pops up.
So you are repeating FUD. Your entire argument is FUD.
Which makes one wonder, of ALL the countries to enact something so draconian (we’re going to fine you not based on what you make IN the region, but based on what you make WORLDWIDE), why was it the EU? What makes the EU more power hungry in this area than China which has a similar iPhone market percentage (20-30%) but, even knowing all of the things they’re known for, they still didn’t go as far as the EU?
Maybe but Apple was upfront about what it is about. There were no surprises. Some people like myself bought an iPhone for those very reasons. I don’t want the Wild West of Android with all the malware, virus and security problems that come with it. That is what the EU changes will bring and they will denigrate the overall experience.
Cookie Autodelete! Any cook from a site NOT on the whitelist goes away when you close the browser. Take a look and see how many useless cookies are cluttering up your system.
Also Privacy Badger was good, but Safari has anti-tracking now too.
No, it includes any operating systems or devices. The deciding factor is how many EU citizens are affected. So it may depend on whether you see iOS and iPadOS as basically the same or as two different operating systems.