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One area where every MAC user can feel "ripped off" is the in-house price for upgradable RAM. It's about the same percentage of markup that I experience when I buy a bottle of water at the concession stand at the movie theatre. And I try to buy neither.

You're only ripped off if you buy the RAM from Apple. But you're not ripped off because you have a choice. It's pretty easy to head to OWC and get the same RAM for a fraction of the price.

Unfortunately this thread has been hijacked into a ridiculous and irrelevant tangent, despite my succinct and logical plea to keep it on target, which seems to have fallen on deaf ears.

Apple is selling software, not hardware. Yes, Apple hardware comes at a premium and yes, they put a lot of thought into design and yes, some people even jump on the bandwagon simply for the design, but design is not responsible for the success of their platform - software is. People put enough value in Apple's software that they are willing to put up with the hardware niggles. So Apples and PCs are apples and oranges because you can't run the Mac OS on a PC.

Let's get back on track and talk about the Apple platform and Apple hardware. Again, if it wasn't about the software, then all of us in this thread would simply build our own inexpensive PCs - that a no-brainer. We value the Mac platform enough to put up with the proprietary nature of their hardware, even when it makes us cringe. So let's talk about Mac hardware because PCs are not an option for 99% of the people on this forum and if they are for you, then what are you doing here?
 
Forget the smaller mini, and the computer in the keyboard. I want a mouse-puter. I can stick it in my pocket and connect a monitor and keyboard to it anywhere I go. So practical.
 
Yes, Apple hardware comes at a premium and yes, they put a lot of thought into design and yes, some people even jump on the bandwagon simply for the design, but design is not responsible for the success of their platform - software is. People put enough value in Apple's software that they are willing to put up with the hardware niggles. So Apples and PCs are apples and oranges because you can't run the Mac OS on a PC.

Then they should make it run on a pc system because it looks like they are not able to fit peoples hardware needs. They sell hardware like plasma TVs in Afghanistan. Man this is computer stuff and not stuff to build a nuclear weapon.

The politics of apple seems like a big joke, sorry! If in future they sell their hardware still this way, most people will better choose a standard pc system. What **** is this ? you can't really upgrade, you can't do this and you can't do that.

Again sorry, but this fact just sucks
 
Again, if it wasn't about the software, then all of us in this thread would simply build our own inexpensive PCs

I wouldn't. ;) Everything about mac hardware makes it more worth it. Give me a mac pro anyday over a beige plastic box with cables everywhere inside and blue leds everywhere outside. Intelligent cooling and tool-less upgrading too. After using macs for well over a decade, I just can't imagine using a non-apple PC as a serious computer, even though building one would be fun to play around with.
 
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Wikipedia said:
An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.

Funny, I found no similar relevant meaning for monkey.
 
Intel Conference

I work at a computer shop and my manager just went to an intel conference in Las Vegas, and he said they showed the new mac mini. He said it is indeed smaller as well as the imac. I only got to talk to him for a few minutes, so I didn't get much more info, but I'll post it when I find out tomorrow.

That said, I can't wait for the mini. I'm ready for a new one to make my media center mac.
 
I work at a computer shop and my manager just went to an intel conference in Las Vegas, and he said they showed the new mac mini. He said it is indeed smaller as well as the imac. I only got to talk to him for a few minutes, so I didn't get much more info, but I'll post it when I find out tomorrow.

That said, I can't wait for the mini. I'm ready for a new one to make my media center mac.

i find it hard to believe that apple is going to release prototypes for an intel conference before releasing it themselves.

Has this happened before? It seems very un-Jobs.:rolleyes:
 
i find it hard to believe that apple is going to release prototypes for an intel conference before releasing it themselves.

Has this happened before? It seems very un-Jobs.:rolleyes:

Sorry, I'm just going off of what he told me. Again, I doubt it too, but that's what he said. Maybe he said it because I love Mac's and I work at a PC shop, so he wanted me to just shut up about Mac's. ;)

I'll ask him next time I see him, and double check. Maybe he saw the :apple:TV and thought it was the new Mac Mini.

I believe it is likely they will put it in the same form factor as the :apple:TV, but I believe they will end the :apple:TV line. Just my guess. I know a lot of people won't think that this will happen, but I do. I would love this, if they just combined the :apple:TV and the Mac Mini and made a DVR :apple:TV, but also have Mac OSX usage. A Hybrid. That is the way of the future.
 
Sorry, I'm just going off of what he told me. Again, I doubt it too, but that's what he said. Maybe he said it because I love Mac's and I work at a PC shop, so he wanted me to just shut up about Mac's. ;)

I'll ask him next time I see him, and double check. Maybe he saw the :apple:TV and thought it was the new Mac Mini.

I believe it is likely they will put it in the same form factor as the :apple:TV, but I believe they will end the :apple:TV line. Just my guess. I know a lot of people won't think that this will happen, but I do. I would love this, if they just combined the :apple:TV and the Mac Mini and made a DVR :apple:TV, but also have Mac OSX usage. A Hybrid. That is the way of the future.

WebTV died for a reason. People don't want to computer on their living room TV.

It would make more sense for Apple to just GIVE :apple:TV DVR functionality and keep the Mac Mini as an OS X entry point... (-OR- slide the iMac down to entry model, and move the Mac Mini up between iMac and MacPro... that that's just a dream of mine).

Either way, NO. No MacMini/:apple:TV hybrid. I wish I could drop kick all the people that suggest that.

-Clive
 
WebTV died for a reason. People don't want to computer on their living room TV.

It would make more sense for Apple to just GIVE :apple:TV DVR functionality and keep the Mac Mini as an OS X entry point... (-OR- slide the iMac down to entry model, and move the Mac Mini up between iMac and MacPro... that that's just a dream of mine).

Either way, NO. No MacMini/:apple:TV hybrid. I wish I could drop kick all the people that suggest that.

-Clive

I'm not sure you can compare WebTV of last decade to ATV on steroids. For one thing television resolution is considerably higher today making it a much more pleasant experience.
 
I'm not sure you can compare WebTV of last decade to ATV on steroids. For one thing television resolution is considerably higher today making it a much more pleasant experience.

I'm not talking about :apple:TV "on steroids" I'm talking about OS X. Just how practical is it to perform mainstream computing on your living room TV? Maybe it would work for someone who's single but the living room is the central hub of activity in the average household. For a family or even a couple what does OS X bring to the livingroom that :apple:TV does not? It's not very easy for a group of people to collectively surf the web or type an e-mail... maybe people could play a game together, but then you'd have four people crowded around a single bluetooth keyboard trying to hit buttons and watch the screen at the same time... it certainly would be no game console replacement. I just have a really hard time seeing how OS X would work in the livingroom with a group of people.

-OR-

How practical would it be to physically move your hybrid unit back and forth to another location to use it at a regular (solo) setup? Unplugging all those cords, feeding them back to your TV after each use... what a hassle.

A hybrid :apple:TV/MacMini just does not make sense. I think the only thing a MacMini can do relevant to the livingroom that an :apple:TV cannot is DVR. In that case, just ask Apple to give :apple:TV DVR functionality, but don't mess with the Mini. It has enough problems as it is.

-Clive
 
I'm not arguing with your central point. I'm just not convinced that webTV's failure is a good "proof" of your point.
 
The one big problem I have with an :apple:TV DVR hybrid, is you won't be able to record something and edit out the commercials. The Mac Mini would accomplish this. I understand your point of not having a Mac Mini in your living room, but I use my HDTV for my monitor, and I'm sure there are a lot of other people that do too. And almost everyone I know has a media center machine in their living room now. So I still need the Mac OSX, but I want the Mac Mini for my media hub.
 
I'm going to reiterate the sentiment that the Mac mini is small enough and only needs to be more powerful. Apple should take a look at Asus as far as a competing mini PC when trying to set a bar of how much powerful hardware they should go for.

4GB of RAM max
Blu-ray
256MB GeForce 8600M
7.1-channel audio out
Gigabit Ethernet
802.11/b/g/n
Bluetooth 2.0+EDR
IR receiver (+ INCLUDED REMOTE!!!!!)
Firewire
10-in-1 multicard reader,
HDMI/VGA out (DVI with adapter)
+Multimedia Keyboard and Mouse

http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/10/asus-bd-equipped-essentio-cs5110-mini-pc-gets-official/
 
um it already comes with included remote

He's referencing the current trend of the removal of the Apple Remote from the bundle.

Oh, and the next person to suggest that the Mac Mini will have Blu-ray before the Mac Pro gets reported. ;)

Here's the order:
Mac Pro Blu-ray BTO at WWDC.
MacBook Pro Blu-ray at Nehalem revision
iMac/Mac Mini Blu-ray at Nehalem revision
MacBook Blu-ray at Nehalem revision

The last three probably won't even happen at all, since Apple couldn't care less about physical media and by that time they'd have thought of an "alternative".
 
I'm going to reiterate the sentiment that the Mac mini is small enough and only needs to be more powerful. Apple should take a look at Asus as far as a competing mini PC when trying to set a bar of how much powerful hardware they should go for.

4GB of RAM max
Blu-ray
256MB GeForce 8600M
7.1-channel audio out
Gigabit Ethernet
802.11/b/g/n
Bluetooth 2.0+EDR
IR receiver (+ INCLUDED REMOTE!!!!!)
Firewire
10-in-1 multicard reader,
HDMI/VGA out (DVI with adapter)
+Multimedia Keyboard and Mouse

http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/10/asus-bd-equipped-essentio-cs5110-mini-pc-gets-official/

ok i can see the 3gb ram, 8600M, gigabite ethernet (already in there), 802.11n, blutooth, FW (800)...... but not the others.

no way will they put in a 10-1 media card reader.. its just not apple. vga out?? apples more "digital" now these days.
 
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