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Great, now factor in the cost of the babysitter on that Tuesday, and the cost of coming back to see it with the kids on the next Tuesday. The suggestion of $10 was for the parents to go see the movie to preview it before taking the kids to see it. With the $30 in-home price, the kids and the additional viewing are included, and you don’t need a babysitter.
 
So let me get this straight, you ALREADY have to be a paying Disney+ subscriber, and ON TOP OF THAT, you have to pay $30 to watch the movie?

You can't just pay $30 to watch it by itself like people did with the Trolls movie a while back?

What a blatant and ridiculous cash grab. Sadly I think many people will fall for it and Disney will make a fortune, because people are so starved for new content during this pandemic and those who are still gainfully employed likely have a lot of extra cash from not being able to.. well, do anything. :(
Not really much different than paying to go to a movie and then 6 months later getting the movie on Disney+, plus kids can watch it indefinitely vs only within the 48hour window, like with Trolls.

I don't see it as a "cash grab." I see it as them purely trying to make some money on it. Theaters are closed, and they're not able to make back the money they invested in the movie, it was made prior to the pandemic. I'm guessing that's also why other movies have been on hold for release (i.e. Black Widow).

The shutdown is affecting everyone big and small, and Disney is not immune. Disney has lost billions of dollars (Disneyland is still closed during their busy summer months). For people who enjoy Disney and want them to continue making movies, I'm sure $30 is a drop in the bucket.
 
In a normal release, you don’t get to get your entire family in with one ticket, and you have to leave and pay again if you want to watch it again.
Except that this bills you as though you're a family of 4 even if you're not. And yeah, you get to watch it again so long as you also keep up your subscription to Disney+.
 
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Wealth redistribution is actually a propaganda term. It’s not about “taking” money from the rich. It’s actually more about how the tax code and how it has been manipulated to benefit one economic class over another.
I was talking about actual wealth redistribution like Stalinist Ukraine when successful farmers had their wealth stolen from them and redistributed to state-run farms. The not-so-successful people were more than happy to get a piece of this new job opportunity, even though it cost them their neighbors lives.

In America, this same attitude is practiced by punks who steal music because they think their neighbors (the music labels) have enough money, and because of simple jealousy.
 
Except that this bills you as though you're a family of 4 even if you're not. And yeah, you get to watch it again so long as you also keep up your subscription to Disney+.
What alternative would you propose though? Some sort of way of certifying under oath that there’s only one person living in your household? Do we then need some sort of mandatory inspection system since huge numbers of families would say they’re only one person to get the “discount”?

They’re trying to work out a mutually beneficial way to handle the fact that an overwhelming portion of US theaters are closed (frankly, they should all be closed for the foreseeable future). This is an experiment. You can indicate your disapproval of the offered terms by not paying and not watching.

What I’m getting tired of is the people that seem to be getting morally outraged that it costs more than a single movie ticket at the lowest priced theater in the lowest priced time slot. The movie studios don’t owe you anything. Disney+ doesn’t owe you their first-run movies for free even if you subscribe to their streaming service - that was never part of the deal when you subscribed. (Sorry, in the last 2 sentences, “you” is generic, not you in particular).

And I’m a bit astonished at the handful here that have indicated that the fact that they feel morally outraged gives them the right to steal a copy of the movie. Like being unhappy justifies criminal behavior. Stealing food because you’re starving and have no money? There’s arguably some justification for that. Stealing a movie because you don’t feel like paying the price at which it’s offered? There’s no moral justification for that. Would you steal a car off a dealer’s lot if you didn’t like the price? I bet the movie-stealing people wouldn’t do that, simply because it’s more difficult than stealing movies, they’re more likely to get caught, and the penalties for getting caught are higher.
 
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What alternative would you propose though?
Just include it in Disney+? People are already paying for the service, this is double-dipping.

They’re trying to work out a mutually beneficial way to handle the fact that an overwhelming portion of US theaters are closed (frankly, they should all be closed for the foreseeable future). This is an experiment. You can indicate your disapproval of the offered terms by not paying and not watching.
Done and done.

What I’m getting tired of is the people that seem to be getting morally outraged that it costs more than a single movie ticket at the lowest priced theater in the lowest priced time slot. The movie studios don’t owe you anything. Disney+ doesn’t owe you their first-run movies for free even if you subscribe to their streaming service - that was never part of the deal when you subscribed. (Sorry, in the last 2 sentences, “you” is generic, not you in particular).
I'm not "morally outraged", just not impressed.

And I’m a bit astonished at the handful here that have indicated that the fact that they feel morally outraged gives them the right to steal a copy of the movie. Like being unhappy justifies criminal behavior. Stealing food because you’re starving and have no money? There’s arguably some justification for that. Stealing a movie because you don’t feel like paying the price at which it’s offered? There’s no moral justification for that. Would you steal a car off a dealer’s lot if you didn’t like the price? I bet the movie-stealing people wouldn’t do that, simply because it’s more difficult than stealing movies, they’re more likely to get caught, and the penalties for getting caught are higher.
I think you've gone off on a bit of a wild tangent here. I never encouraged stealing anything, I just think it's an unreasonable price to charge when you're already paying for the streaming service and you aren't getting the theatre experience. Honestly, I'm not really interested in any of Disney's live-action remakes so I probably wasn't going to watch it anyway, but if this is the route they're going to take in the future it might affect me further down the line if/when they bring out something good.
 
I was talking about actual wealth redistribution like Stalinist Ukraine when successful farmers had their wealth stolen from them and redistributed to state-run farms. The not-so-successful people were more than happy to get a piece of this new job opportunity, even though it cost them their neighbors lives.
In those terms, I agree. What happened in Russia under Stalin was deplorable. As @2010mini points out, though, that term, “wealth redistribution”, has been co-opted to mean “anything that threatens to change the tax system and other laws that mostly rich people have lobbied to put in place that overwhelmingly benefit the rich while penalizing everyone else.” Brought to you by the same people who co-opted the term “fake news”, which originally meant actual falsified “news” coming primarily out of the former Soviet Union, intended to influence and destabilize western politics - this is actual psychological warfare stuff - and the phrase has now been changed to mean “likely genuine news that paints me and my party in a bad light”. Now it gets used as the rallying cry against actual verifiable facts.
 
Just include it in Disney+? People are already paying for the service, this is double-dipping.
No, it’s not double dipping. They never offered, “and you get free access to all of our new movies as soon as they’re released to theaters” (if they did, show me where it says that in their marketing material) and they never offered to send free movie tickets for new releases to subscribers so they could see the movie in theaters for free. They also won’t let you into Disneyland for free just because you’re a D+ subscriber. And you can’t get Disney toys for free in stores. There were and are clear limits to what your D+ subscription gets you. If you thought you were buying immediate access to everything Disney ever has done or will do, for $7 a month, you’ve been wildly misinformed.
I think you've gone off on a bit of a wild tangent here. I never encouraged stealing anything, I just think it's an unreasonable price to charge when you're already paying for the streaming service and you aren't getting the theatre experience.
Perhaps you missed the first sentence of the paragraph you quoted that said, “And I’m a bit astonished at the handful here that have indicated that the fact that they feel morally outraged gives them the right to steal a copy of the movie.” Do you see the words “you” or “boss.king” anywhere in that sentence? I was remarking on the general tone in the thread.
 
No, it’s not double dipping. They never offered, “and you get free access to all of our new movies as soon as they’re released to theaters” (if they did, show me where it says that in their marketing material) and they never offered to send free movie tickets for new releases to subscribers so they could see the movie in theaters for free. They also won’t let you into Disneyland for free just because you’re a D+ subscriber. And you can’t get Disney toys for free in stores. There were and are clear limits to what your D+ subscription gets you. If you thought you were buying immediate access to everything Disney ever has done or will do, for $7 a month, you’ve been wildly misinformed.
Do you not see how expecting to be able to stream video content on a video streaming service is different to expecting free merch and tickets?

Perhaps you missed the first sentence of the paragraph you quoted that said, “And I’m a bit astonished at the handful here that have indicated that the fact that they feel morally outraged gives them the right to steal a copy of the movie.” Do you see the words “you” or “boss.king” anywhere in that sentence? I was remarking on the general tone in the thread.
Since it was included in your reply to me and followed with plenty of "you"s, I think it was fair to assume you were talking to me. Maybe try to be more clear next time you switch who you're talking to.
 
@CarlJ there's a hell of a lot of entitled people out there reading what they want into the Disney Plus subscription because they refuse to pay the price.

It's a bit like people who will besiege the Porsche dealership baying at the prices within, and demanding that they be allowed to buy the car for a quarter of the list price, instead of quietly going down the road and buying the Volkswagen instead.

At the end of the day I don't think many of these people can be persuaded so I wonder why we bother trying to talk these people round - instead inviting the aggro? ;)

Even where cheap streaming services are successful due to low cost, not too many artists can make a good living on Spotify royalties. The likes of Taylor Swift maybe.

Other less famous music artists make their money through touring and live performances - and that's at an end for now.

But the music pirates only see Taylor living the high life and figure she won't miss a few $$$ here and there.

Once again, they ignore the people helping Taylor cut that record.

Imagine instead of paying a few dozen people to help Taylor Swift, Hollywood has to pay thousands of people to make a film.

If pirates steal enough revenue then Hollywood won't take risks, and you get less, ever more safe, anodyne content. Sequels, adaptations, and - and that's where everyone loses.
 
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Just include it in Disney+? People are already paying for the service, this is double-dipping.
It will be included with Dosney+ at some point down the line when it's no longer a new "theatrical" release. It's no more double-dipping than having a movie out in theaters and having people pay for a ticket to see it (and only once for that ticket), and then those people needing to pay more to see it again, either by buying more tickets, or waiting until the movie is out for rent or purchase, or available on some steaming service that they are paying for.
 
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For the people that pay no attention to International Movie Theater take, From Hollywood Reporter

The biggest box office news of the weekend came out of China, where the Chinese tentpole The Eight Hundred opened to a staggering $107 million, including weekday previews, despite the fact that capacity is capped at 50 percent across the Middle Kingdom.

Mulan should do fine there.
 
This was a big dumb response lol. You can only blame yourself if you lose a physical copy. But having a physical copy allows you to make your own lossless digital copy. That you can store on an external drive/NAS or cloud storage.
If I lose access to a digital copy and want to rewatch, I can go buy a physical copy, but that's never even happened. Not worth setting up a backup system or losing sleep over.
 
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Do you not see how expecting to be able to stream video content on a video streaming service is different to expecting free merch and tickets?
So you really expect that they’re going to give every new movie as they‘re released, to people who are paying $7/mo? The only reason this would be streamable any time in the next 6 months, is the pandemic. Otherwise it’d be in theaters, requiring the purchase of theater tickets to see it.

And yes, expecting to get it for free on day-of-release is very much the same as expecting that you would have gotten free movie theater tickets to every new movie they release to theaters. I think it’s incredibly entitled to expect that as a new bonus feature for no extra charge on your $7/mo subscription. That’s expecting the equivalent of as many movie tickets as you want, for free, so the whole family can see it for free as many times as they wish.
 
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With huge TV's nowadays a lot of people will be fine with this. I used to go to the theater by myself a lot (It was fine, always on time, sit where I want, I just do stuff if I want to) and I ALWAYS eat before I go to the movies so I just buy the ticket. This is so much cheaper for families.

And I get the pricing. You can't spend 200 Million to make a movie and drop it on a streaming service for no extra cost. And covid seems to be the reason so many newer films were put there so quickly.
 
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I think that the concept behind mulan release is correct. If cinemas weren't close people would pay to watch it, my question mark is the price! 30$ when the average price to watch cinema on US soil is around 10$ and you are payin' seat, soundsystem, ac and screen size/experience. I belive they expect that at least 3 people per home will watch the movie together, anyway I think it's too expensive.
 
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I think that the concept behind mulan release is correct. If cinemas weren't close people would pay to watch it, my question mark is the price! 30$ when the average price to watch cinema on US soil is around 10$ and you are payin' seat, soundsystem, ac and screen size/experience. I belive they expect that at least 3 people per home will watch the movie together, anyway I think it's too expensive.
A lot of places have tickets that are more in the $15 range, but even if averaging it out gets it to about $10, averaging out how many people will watch the movie and how many times they will do it -- since with this payment people can watch the movie multiple times, unlike a movie theater where they would have to buy a new ticket each time -- probably gets it to around $30.
 
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No, you are paying to see it day-of. Being impatient has a cost. You could wait 3-5 years and probably see it for free on broadcast TV. It’s all a question of how much is satisfying your impatience worth to you.
You are right. I am still behind on movies and TVs for decades. By the time I get to it, it will probably be in the public domain.
 
I love movies as much as the next person, but despite some nice ones out there, there haven't really been any movies that I'd want to watch over and over again. I'd rather just rent it at a fraction of the price, and then see if any key/highlighted parts get uploaded to YouTube. Here, I'll check back in a few years if my local Redbox gets this.
 
Lol, sure it is, people who say that must live in an area with 80’s tech theatres.

Really? It doesn't take that much to get close at home.

85" 4k, 2x1000 Watt SVS subwoofers, 7.2.4 Dolby Atmos using SVS speakers... all of that in a relatively small box in my basement. Everything for less than $10k.

I've been to some great movie theaters (for instance: the IMAX with Laser Projection at Jordan's north of Boston was my go to for years)... sure, it's fun... but honestly... my basement is not too far off.
 
Oh, it’ll almost certainly come to the iTunes Store eventually, along with all the other distribution channels (rentals, BluRays, HBO, etc.), there’s no reason for them to shut down those other channels and millions of reasons ($$$) to keep them around.

You're not really buying the movie here. You’re buying the digital equivalent of a movie ticket, which allows anyone in your living room to watch the movie as many times as desired, for as long as you subscribe to Disney+. Yes that’s different than most of the circumstances surrounding a normal movie ticket. They’re trying to figure out how to make all of this work, in this new pandemic world.

And, effectively, what you’re buying is access to watch the movie as many times as you want (while subscribed to D+), up until they release it for normal streaming on D+, likely 6-12 months from now (after it’s worked it way through rentals and BluRays and all the other mediums). After it’s released for general streaming, 6-12 months from now, you’ll still have your ticket, but the ticket won’t matter, because anyone with a D+ subscription will be able to stream it for no added cost. So, what you’re really buying is early access to unlimited streaming.

I can see that - it's a good way to look at it. I'll definitely think about it.
 
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Really? It doesn't take that much to get close at home.

85" 4k, 2x1000 Watt SVS subwoofers, 7.2.4 Dolby Atmos using SVS speakers... all of that in a relatively small box in my basement. Everything for less than $10k.

I've been to some great movie theaters (for instance: the IMAX with Laser Projection at Jordan's north of Boston was my go to for years)... sure, it's fun... but honestly... my basement is not too far off.
Must resist making basement comment...🤭
 
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