Multiple Sources Suggest Apple Working on Television for as Early as 2012

[dicklacara]

Fixed that there for you. Android has been on TVs for a year already, with apps announced and a further commitment to the platform already confirmed even though initial hurdles with big TV content providers :

http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/27/google-remains-committed-to-tv-business-expects-more-partners-s/

Apps can now be made :

http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20095701-264/android-developers-can-start-writing-google-tv-apps/
http://code.google.com/tv/

And Sony still is pushing the hardware :

http://discover.store.sony.com/internettv/#/home

Wow, Apple hasn't even entered the market and already we're getting this rewriting of history that we have to correct...

Mmm... you forgot a few links:

Instead of googling: googletv

Try googling: logitech loss googletv

You get a completely different story:

Logitech losses highlight Google TV flop; CEO exits, Revue price slashed to $99

Then for grins, google: ban content googletv

...too many links to reproduce here.


As typical, Google waltzes in, attempts to appropriate others' property without paying for it (or even asking).

Then, there's the thrill -- when we all gather 'round the big HDTV and watch mom make typos searching for something that is of no interest to anyone else.

We, each, do that on our iPad -- without boring or disturbing the others.

 

[divinox]

Wouldnt it be nice if you could get your Samsung tablet, and run that as the hardware platform for your Sony TV-experience, running audio on your pioneer sound system? All without any wires ofc. Oh, i forgot... you (technically) can. Yet another reason to never buy a TV made by Apple :- )

Yes! I agree.

The demand streaming, while a good start, can only go so far -- those very same ISPs control the faucet on the pipe.

Well, isps really dont have that much say here. Dont even think capped connections exist anymore, and they were quite rare even five years ago.

Content providers have some power though, and this is the problem one has to solve. They know that their package of A+B+C is worth more to them combined than split up. If we could just shop for whatever we wanted its their loss. Never expect anyone to give you their livelihood for free.

 

[cmaier]

Everyone thought an iPhone was going to be an iPod in a phone.

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So what? Anything that can be done in the tv can be done with an external box. And whatever they put into the tv, you can be assured most people will still have external boxes (cable, bluray, game console, whatever. The built-in functionality wont replace all my external boxes, for sure. Maybe some people, but not most.).

Unless the functionality is functionality that can't be done with an external box, I don't get it. (I suppose they'll add a FaceTime camera, so there's always that).

 

[uraniumwilly]

Maybe they will approach the form differently, with the tv as a picture frame on the wall thing. I know it's been done, but maybe an Apple version would be less expensive.

 

[divinox]

What's innovative about an IPS TV ? You do realise TVs don't use TN panels right because then you'd have to sit directly in front of them to not have color distortion. Either it's PVA or IPS in LCD TVs already.

Mainly *va i'd assume, given the traditional contrast issues with ips tech. To me, *va seems like a better choice for most part, then again im hardly a screenophile.

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Maybe they will approach the form differently, with the tv as a picture frame on the wall thing. I know it's been done, but maybe an Apple version would be less expensive.

joke of the day.

 

[Oletros]

Mmm... you forgot a few links:

Instead of googling: googletv

Try googling: logitech loss googletv

You get a completely different story:

I didn't knew that Logitech Revue we a TV like the Sony or the rumor in this thread

 

[uraniumwilly]

joke of the day.

The ones that currently exist are like 9 thousand bucks.

 

[Saturn007]

If we're going to think out of the box, then it will not just be a TV, but a wireless monitor for any Apple device-- MacBook Pro, MBA, iPad--and it will work as a Mac itself, with the simple addition of a wireless keyboard.

 

[uraniumwilly]

I think a big-assed iPad that functions as a tv might be the ticket.

 

[dicklacara]

I didn't knew that Logitech Revue we a TV like the Sony or the rumor in this thread

You are correct the Logitech Revue is a STB that delivers GoogleTV capability to existing TVs.

Another way to get that capability is to buy a new TV with GoogleTV built-in.

The reason that logicitech is relevant to the thread is that the Revue failed because GoogleTV was unable to provide the "promised" content -- essentially you got the ability to surf the web on your HDTV.

Building GoogleTV into a HDTV does not resolve the issue -- you still cannot get the content through GoogleTV -- just the ability to surf the web. IMO, that is something that nobody wants to do on a HDTV!

Would you pay a premium for a HDTV with GoogleTV -- when you can do a better job surfing the web with an iPad or other tablet?

 

[KnightWRX]

Try googling: logitech loss googletv[

You get a completely different story:

Logitech losses highlight Google TV flop; CEO exits, Revue price slashed to $99

That's 1 set top box. The Sony sets have a built-in function, no need for the set-top box. And yes I did cover that in my post if you recall.

Then for grins, google: ban content googletv

...too many links to reproduce here.


As typical, Google waltzes in, attempts to appropriate others' property without paying for it (or even asking).

What appropriation exactly ? Google made a web browser for TVs that could *gasp* browse the web. On the web, these channels made their content available. They decided to block Google TV's user-agent. It's ok for people to get this content on their computers, they just don't want people getting it on TVs. Of course, nothing stops you from connecting an HTPC to a TV and still "appropriate yourself" with this content for free...

What exactly was Google stealing from these folks ? These folks were already giving out this content on their websites, Google only made a web browser for TVs.

(And again, this was covered in my post).

I should know better than to reply to these typical non-sense post. You failed to even grasp the context of the sub-thread you were replying to. You spinned and deflected the argument into something entirely different from what was discussed.

Voonyx was claiming Google would copy Apple if Apple released a TV by then releasing Android for TVs *after* Apple's TV was out. I was pointing out how that couldn't be so.

 

[ilovemyibook]

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It has to be said again, this TV BETTER NOT BE rectangular. Rectangular TVs already exists. If Apple puts their name on a such a device, or any device that looks similar to existing TVs they will be BLATANTLY COPYING. This TV cannot look similar to anything on the market. By Apple's logic, this is considered blatantly copying. So if they do it, Apple will show themselves to be the hypocrites that they are. The blind followers who think it is ok for Apple to do such a thing will also show themselves to be the biased blind followers that they say they are not. Remember it was Apple who first decided that no one else can make a rectangular shaped phone or a tablet. Only because Apple felt they did it first, which they didn't of course. So you live by the sword, you die by the sword. Can't wait to see the world's first circular, triangular, or any non-rectangular TV. Your move Apple.

Who pissed in your Cheerio's? This is an Apple/Mac forum, if you don't like it then you can get out.

 

[ChrisTX]

As surprising as it may seem, I'm actually happy with my 3D Samsung TV. I think about the only area Samsung is leading the way in is T.V.'s

 

[voonyx]

Fixed that there for you. Android has been on TVs for a year already, with apps announced and a further commitment to the platform already confirmed even though initial hurdles with big TV content providers :

http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/27/google-remains-committed-to-tv-business-expects-more-partners-s/

Apps can now be made :

http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20095701-264/android-developers-can-start-writing-google-tv-apps/
http://code.google.com/tv/

And Sony still is pushing the hardware :

http://discover.store.sony.com/internettv/#/home

Wow, Apple hasn't even entered the market and already we're getting this rewriting of history that we have to correct...

Hey fact-checker, you're making my job too easy. first, if you'll notice (which you clearly haven't already) I didn't try to deduce what exactly Apple is trying to do with this venture. My words were "apple releases their product" and I qualified it with "whatever that is". In other words, it's not going to be some TV set with an apple logo on the back, and neither you nor I know what they have in mind. So your references to Googletv (LOL) are irrelevant. My point is, no matter what product Apple creates, you'll have the sudden onslaught of copycat products offering to do the same thing at half the price just like there always is.

Then we'll have people like you and divinox talking about how these things were imminent, and how they are trivial and obvious

Secondly, GoogleTV?? Really?? If there ever was such a thing as an epic fail, it would be GoogleTV. Believe me, Apple's product will be the trendsetter and then Google and other OEMs might try to emulate it (provided its emulate-able and most probably will be successful).

I'll never understand the denial about Apple's vision. I guess it's easier to live in the fantasy world of what-ifs and woulda-happeneds, huh?

But you're right, I was developing a prototype in my basement before the iPhone came out....if Apple didn't announce it, I woulda done it anyway Silliness abounds...

 

[KnightWRX]

Who pissed in your Cheerio's? This is an Apple/Mac forum, if you don't like it then you can get out.

I think his post was a reference to all the lawsuits Apple is launching against makers of tablets that are rectangular with rounded corners... even though that's been the design of tablets since way before the iPad or iPhone were out.

Who pissed in your Cheerio's ? This is an Apple/Mac forum, aren't we allowed to poke fun at Apple less than savory moves sometimes ?

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Hey fact-checker, you're making my job too easy. first, if you'll notice (which you clearly haven't already) I didn't try to deduce what exactly Apple is trying to do with this venture. My words were "apple releases their product" and I qualified it with "whatever that is". In other words, it's not going to be some TV set with an apple logo on the back, and neither you nor I know what they have in mind. So your references to Googletv (LOL) are irrelevant.

How are they ? Your exact words were :

5) Google starts making Android TVs

I showed you how your timeline was wrong. Google already makes Android for TVs.

How am I making this easy since you have to spin and deflect the argument all over the place to not admit you were wrong ? I didn't make an argument for the success or not of GoogleTV. I simply pointed out your little anachronism.

Again, Google already makes Android for TVs. You were wrong in your timeline. Live with it.

 

[Stephenseiber]

It has to be said again, this TV BETTER NOT BE rectangular. Rectangular TVs already exists. If Apple puts their name on a such a device, or any device that looks similar to existing TVs they will be BLATANTLY COPYING. This TV cannot look similar to anything on the market. By Apple's logic, this is considered blatantly copying. So if they do it, Apple will show themselves to be the hypocrites that they are. The blind followers who think it is ok for Apple to do such a thing will also show themselves to be the biased blind followers that they say they are not. Remember it was Apple who first decided that no one else can make a rectangular shaped phone or a tablet. Only because Apple felt they did it first, which they didn't of course. So you live by the sword, you die by the sword. Can't wait to see the world's first circular, triangular, or any non-rectangular TV. Your move Apple.

This just shows how stupid and ignorant you are. Do you even read anything else on this sight. Apple is not suing Samsung because their phones and tablets are rectangular but because the software on them looks almost identical to IOS. if it wasn't for the fact that i have used IOS before i wouldn't know the difference and might think it is an iPhone. Apple is right they copy the look and feel of an iPhone way more than is acceptable... Ok I want you to create a new patent and not sue anyone when they use it without licensing it or your permit ion. Until then ****.

 

[nylonsteel]

if aapl comes out with a tv - it better be "magical"
hopefully reasonably priced too

 

[KnightWRX]

This just shows how stupid and ignorant you are. Do you even read anything else on this sight. Apple is not suing Samsung because their phones and tablets are rectangular but because the software on them looks almost identical to IOS.

No actually, read the EU lawsuits, especially the dutch and german lawsuits. They are about Apple suing Samsung based on this Community Design registration which is basically a rectangular shaped object :

http://www.scribd.com/doc/61944044/Community-Design-000181607-0001

So he's not wrong and he's actually reading this site, this was covered before.

 

[voonyx]

I think his post was a reference to all the lawsuits Apple is launching against makers of tablets that are rectangular with rounded corners... even though that's been the design of tablets since way before the iPad or iPhone were out.

Who pissed in your Cheerio's ? This is an Apple/Mac forum, aren't we allowed to poke fun at Apple less than savory moves sometimes ?

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How are they ? Your exact words were :



I showed you how your timeline was wrong. Google already makes Android for TVs.

How am I making this easy since you have to spin and deflect the argument all over the place to not admit you were wrong ? I didn't make an argument for the success or not of GoogleTV. I simply pointed out your little anachronism.

Again, Google already makes Android for TVs. You were wrong in your timeline. Live with it.

Ok...I was wrong. How many brownie points would you like? haha...

the only one deflecting is you. I didn't attempt whatsoever to say what Apple had in mind, and you went into downloading apps, creating apps and all this crap about GoogleTV. I told you before about assuming things when you pride yourself on a being a fact checker. IT makes you look silly.

GoogleTV is irrelevant. It was a complete and utter fail. That's like me saying Facebook copied Yahoo Groups or something. Stay relevant to the topic and stop bringing up useless products that have no marketshare.

Like Engadget said: "Google TV feels like an incomplete jumble of good ideas only half-realized, an unoptimized box of possibility that suffers under the weight of its own ambition and seemingly rushed holiday deadline."

GoogleTV is a mess, and believe me when (not if) Google decides to copy what Apple does with their product, it's not going to be a version update to GoogleTV...it's going to be a whole new product.

 

[KnightWRX]

Ok...I was wrong. How many brownie points would you like? haha...

Good of you to admit it, now we can move on. I will spare you the rest of your justificative rant (again, you were wrong, deal, don't try to spin and justify), I was again simply correcting your timeline.

 

[voonyx]

Good of you to admit it, now we can move on. I will spare you the rest of your justificative rant (again, you were wrong, deal, don't try to spin and justify), I was again simply correcting your timeline.

Well yes, if you weren't able to grasp what I meant by my timeline, I understand...

It was a progression. A simple one in fact. Apple creates product > Others copy.

I apologize that my use of the words "AndroidTv" got you in a tizzy...

Here I'll fix it:

1) GoogleTV Epic fails
2) Apple announces product
3) People laugh
4) Apple wins
5) Google copies
6) Imminent obvious trivial technology is enjoyed by all.

Better?

 

[KnightWRX]

A simple one in fact. Apple creates product > Others copy.

Don't mistake your subjective opinion as a objective fact.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Good of you to admit it, now we can move on. I will spare you the rest of your justificative rant (again, you were wrong, deal, don't try to spin and justify), I was again simply correcting your timeline.

I think people are missing the fact that Google got themselves some major inroads for Google TV. Motorola is the largest supplier of set top boxes for cable companies. If you think Google is not going to take advantage of that to help push Google TV then you are nuts.

Google TV has some major advantages to help take off now.

 

[wankey]

The thing is, are we the same kind of people who said the first Apple iPhone wouldn't work?

Television has stagnated to a point where nobody really watches television anymore. It's filled with garbage ads and other things.

If Apple can come out with a Apple TV that's pretty much a smart TV, which obliterates the TIVO market, the Netflix market and everything else. I think it may be able to work.

 

[AlfieJr]

Think It All Through

First, everyone is just guessing. these Apple Television rumors aren't even linked to leaks about new hardware prototypes out of Asia. which makes them dubious.

Second, the key to each Apple innovation - starting with the Mac long time ago, then the iPod, iPhone, and iPad - is to reinvent the UI of an existing complicated product to make it truly user/consumer friendly. which does require some hardware innovations too, and also new market concepts, but it's all built around the new UI.

Third, Jobs has pointed out how bad the UI is today for all television related products. the tedious on screen cursor menu first invented back in the days of VCR's, and an IR remote control full of confusing buttons (a stripped down version of which is still used now by Apple TV).

so if Apple is going to enter the television business, it is going to reinvent this lousy UI, and then design the hardware around the new UI. so:

(a) the direct path to a new UI for Apple is to turn it all into an iOS app, to run on your iDevice. no more IR candybar remote.

(b) the direct path to hardware for this is simply to build the guts/ports of Apple TV into a Thunderbolt Display. with some larger screen sizes of course, and at competitive high-end price points.

but (c) the direct path to a new market concept for this is the hard part. you would still need a cable box or some equivalent to access much of the popular content.

Apple could come out with an (a) + (b) Apple Television very soon, yes. but without (c) it would still be a "hobby" product. a much better UI than today's Apple TV + any television, but not a disruptive innovation that will change the industry.

so until Apple can solve (c), i think all these rumors are not going anywhere.