Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Alert the police but leave the tag in place to catch the thieves in / after the act to prevent further crimes by them? Probably a pipe dream but it would prevent further crimes by the thief / thieves.
You are too naive or know nothing about the police in the US. If you do so, the police would not have noticed your report when your car is stolen. The polices are too busy catching speedy drivers or shooting people on the streets, they have no time for catching thieves, ever.
 
  • Disagree
Reactions: MTShipp and usagora
Probably many such crimes have been committed with the help of Tile but we just never found out because the victims were never warned. But AirTags are getting blamed because potential victims are actually warned.
Would be better if apples EULA explicitly said not for illegal activities.
 
There’s always going to be people that misuse good & helpful technology for malicious things.

And now it seems we get an article for each and every incident where an Apple tool is involved in a crime.


This meme needs proofreading.

That would be a marketing nightmare "We are making an app available to you because our product has been used to stalk and track people"

See post #8.

For all it’s good AirTags are now a way to track unintended victims. Find your Apple product was great, but a little unnoticeable device is like right out of a spy novel. We taken this UWB technology a bit too far it seems, almost need to sell portable RF gear for making sure your not being tracked as you travel.

“Today's UWB can accurately pinpoint other devices, tell you if it's in motion, and lead you to it. UWB can, in theory, pinpoint things down to the centimeter. Walls and other obstacles are not much of an issue.”

On the other hand as the article shows it’s a no issue since the presence of an AirTag was easily reported to the victim and it was then located.
 
  • Like
Reactions: psxp
Pretty much every technological advancement isn't "necessary" yet we don't just halt progress because people can abuse technology. That will never change. And AirTags are certainly not the first tracking device to be made.
I wouldn’t say pretty much every technological advancement isn’t necessary. Many ended up solving actual issues that pre-existed the technology. However, it doesn’t mean that technology didn’t create its own issue.

Just think of medicine and its technologies. Those are easy and obvious examples.
 
I wouldn’t say pretty much every technological advancement isn’t necessary. Many ended up solving actual issues that pre-existed the technology. However, it doesn’t mean that technology didn’t create its own issue.

Just think of medicine and its technologies. Those are easy and obvious examples.

I guess we're defining "necessary" in different ways then. What you seem to be describing as "necessary" I'd describe as "extremely useful" or "extremely advantageous." In any case, I don't think that the fact that a technology could be abused is a reason to not develop it. And of course safe-guards can often be put in place to combat abuse.
 
Apple needs to release an Android app for AirTags tracking so people with Android phones can detect if they're being stalked.

I'm seeing a lot of videos on TikTok of people finding AirTags on their car.

might want to read the article where they explain that they did in fact already do just that....
 
Here we go again with this nonsense.

Somebody please explain how this makes stealing a car easier.
 
No, sorry, you don't "own" pirated copies of software. You illegally possess them.



So this whole time you've been thinking about operating systems specifically? You've now totally lost me. You can easily sell both Windows and macOS machines with their respective operating systems installed and that's perfectly legal. I'm talking about application software, such as Microsoft Office, Adobe Photoshop, etc. If you have a physical disk with a license key, then you can sell that without issue because the license key is tied to the disc. However, with software downloaded online, the license is tied to your account, and whether that license can be transferred depends on the license agreement that YOU agree to by purchasing and downloading the software. Again, feel free to cite current US law that you think a software company would be in violation of by prohibiting the transfer of a license.
The issue is when people try and claim I don't have a right to sell software I purchased. It doesn't matter if it was attached to an account or not. Telling me I can't sell it because it's assigned to me is ridiculous. I paid for it and should have the right to assign it to someone else. Software isn't magic, nor should it be excluded from having to compete with 'used' copies.
That doesn't make them property. I don't care how "loose" a definition you're trying to give the word there, it's just not helpful to refer to any human being as someone else's property. And you most certainly cannot do as you please with your children or else the state/government can take them away from you (e.g. abuse, neglect, endangerment, etc.) - at least in civilized countries.

Anyway, I still don't understand why you think you can't use an AirTag with a pet or even with a child. You didn't respond to that.
I didn't say they were property I said they are like property. If my child throws a brick through your window I am responsible. If my dog bites you then I am responsible. They are like property because they are owned by an adult or by the government, but they do not have the same individual rights as adults.

And I didn't say you can't use them to track children or pets, I said Apple claims it wasn't intended for that use. To bad, Apple shouldn't get a say in how I use it.
No. In my scenario I buy software that has taken time and money to develop, trivially copy it and give copies to 1000 people. You seem to say that those people own it now. After all, their copy is identical to mine. Anyone could download it, so anyone (and thus everyone) owns it. That’s why ownership doesn’t make sense for software.

You own a license to use the software.
Stop turning right to resell into piracy. It's also illegal to buy something, figure out how it works, and then make my own identical copies and then resell it. That's not what this is about. This is about the right to resell units one purchased. If I buy 100 copies of Word I should be able to use them as long as I wish and then resell them for whatever price I wish. Microsoft should be competing against used copies of Word by either lowering prices or making new versions more attractive. Instead, they have tricked people into thinking they don't have a right to resell the copy they own. Calling it a license doesn't change the fact that people own it. That argument needs to stop because it's ridiculous. Being easy to copy software is a cost of doing business, but it shouldn't change consumer rights.
 
I said Apple claims it wasn't intended for that use. To bad, Apple shouldn't get a say in how I use it.
They’re not telling you how to use it, they’re telling you what they intended it to be used for. If you want to try to use it for something other than their intended use, you can, but Apple isn’t obligated to support that use.
 
Says who?
US Patent Office and Copywrite Office.
They’re not telling you how to use it, they’re telling you what they intended it to be used for. If you want to try to use it for something other than their intended use, you can, but Apple isn’t obligated to continue supporting that use.
Except they decided to say it can't be used for tracking pets or children until after they sold it. They said it was from tracking items you regularly lose. There was no list of exclusions.

Also, it's one thing to say it's not an intended use and another to intentionally make it so that it can't be used for a purpose. By notifying and making it possible to disable tracking they are preventing it from being used in the way I, the owner of the product, elect to use it.
 
US Patent Office and Copywrite Office.

There is no such thing.

If you mean the US Patent and Trademark Office, trademarks are irrelevant, so you must be talking about patents. But if you take something apart and copy it, and there are no patents on it, you can’t infringe anything. Nor is infringing patents “illegal.”

As for copyright (not copywrite), if you don’t actually copy code, but provide identical results, it’s not a problem. If it’s hardware that you are copying, it can’t be copyrighted. If you clean room design and end up with an identical solution, that’s a fascinating bar exam question, but I wouldn’t bet on it being copyright infringement.
 
I didn't say they were property I said they are like property.

And I didn't say you can't use them to track children or pets, I said Apple claims it wasn't intended for that use.

Screen Shot 2021-12-21 at 10.47.12 PM.png


1. You clearly said "children and pets are type [sic] of property"
2. You said Apple won't let you track your children or pets.

At this point, I feel further back and forth would be a waste of time, as you are not even accurately representing what you yourself said. So I'm going to end this conversation here. Thanks.
 
View attachment 1932141

1. You clearly said "children and pets are type [sic] of property"
2. You said Apple won't let you track your children or pets.

At this point, I feel further back and forth would be a waste of time, as you are not even accurately representing what you yourself said. So I'm going to end this conversation here. Thanks.
Correct. I said they are a type of property. They are. That remains true no matter how one spins it.

Apple: you can use this to track your property.
Me: This is my property.
Apple: Um, you know what... not that though...
 
There is no such thing.

If you mean the US Patent and Trademark Office, trademarks are irrelevant, so you must be talking about patents. But if you take something apart and copy it, and there are no patents on it, you can’t infringe anything. Nor is infringing patents “illegal.”

As for copyright (not copywrite), if you don’t actually copy code, but provide identical results, it’s not a problem. If it’s hardware that you are copying, it can’t be copyrighted. If you clean room design and end up with an identical solution, that’s a fascinating bar exam question, but I wouldn’t bet on it being copyright infringement.
Really?

Are these websites scams?

Then you know what? I didn't pirate the software I just made an absolutely identical version with the same logo.

Why are people so up in arms about piracy then, because according to cmaier it doesn't exist.
 
Really?

Are these websites scams?

Then you know what? I didn't pirate the software I just made an absolutely identical version with the same logo.

Why are people so up in arms about piracy then, because according to cmaier it doesn't exist.

Did you read my post? I said there was a United States Patent and Trademark Office. Not a patent and “copywrite” office. That was my point. (By the way, neither of these actually enforces anything. The patent office grants patents and federal trademarks. The copyright office simply records copyrights - it can’t grant them.)

As for “the same logo,” no you are infringing a trademark. Use your own logo, and duplicate the functionality without looking at or copying the actual code (and without violating any patents, which are rare in software in any case), and you haven’t infringed anything (See the Apple vs. Microsoft “look and feel” cases). Of course, if there IS a patent (either utility or design), you may infringe it by copying too closely.
 
Here we go again with this nonsense.

Somebody please explain how this makes stealing a car easier.

Especially when it clearly did not. But at least another “news” article could be written about an Apple product.
 
Except they decided to say it can't be used for tracking pets or children until after they sold it. They said it was from tracking items you regularly lose. There was no list of exclusions.
Except they‘re still not preventing you from tracking a lost pet or child, but it may be more difficult to track a stolen one. As you said, Apple said it was for tracking items you regularly lose.
 
I didn't read all the replies so forgive me if this has been answered, but...what if I'm just near someone for a long time like at a restaurant? my car keys have an airtag. is it gonna alert to them and they can deactivate my own airtag??
 
Except they‘re still not preventing you from tracking a lost pet or child, but it may be more difficult to track a stolen one. As you said, Apple said it was for tracking items you regularly lose.
they are though because even if they have no intention of stealing my child they can disable my ability to locate them.
 
I didn't read all the replies so forgive me if this has been answered, but...what if I'm just near someone for a long time like at a restaurant? my car keys have an airtag. is it gonna alert to them and they can deactivate my own airtag??
It only notifies them if your iOS device isn’t within range of the tracker and the tag and their device move together.
 
  • Like
Reactions: F-Trunks
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.