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MWNY PowerMac Specs?

Originally posted by j763
I think we'll see bumped up G4's AND G5's. I say this because of what I pointed out the other day...

If you didn't see it, think about this, Apple's Web Server has the directory http://www.apple.com/powermac/g4/ ready to be used (it's currently pointing back at the main powermac page).

If we don't see any G5's at MWNY, there are going to be some really pissed off people out there...
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Firstly the G4 powermacc if true are "sick" specs. These are CONSUMER machines at CONSUMER prices with multiples of supercomputer performance. That is hard to fathom, much less criticize.

I predict (I rarely am wrong and I suck as a result) the G5 will be released in the NEW RACK SERVER line first at a substantial price premium.

It makes sense because they are optimized for high duty cycle applications like servers. As such the pure Mhz might not be high but the throughput will be *"astonishing"*.

Rocketman

Apple is a REAL computer company now?
 
Originally posted by macstudent
I would like USB 2 for the option to add these devices later without having to purchase an expansion card. If apple is devloping a new motherboard, they might as well add new technologies unless it is not cost effective.
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And they have a history of doing it because they believe in the principal you stated.

My PC CLUB sales-geek had the gaul to tell me USB2 devices were faster than Firewire devices (ignoring the issues of more than one device). And ANY non-optimality.

Rocketman
 
Steve Jobs has a G5!

You know, Steve Jobs has had a G5 since some time last year. It costs about 90 million, and you can learn more about it here.

Hehe...

Get it, a G5, Gulfstream V! haha, gotcha there...
 
Here's some performance specs about the GV (G5, roman numeral for 5...)

Performance:

Maximum Range
(Mach 0.80, 8 passengers, 4 crew, NBAA IFR reserves) 6,500 nm 12,046 km

Long Range Cruise Speed Mach 0.80 459 ktas 851 km/h

Mmo (Maximum Allowable Mach Number) Mach 0.885

Takeoff Distance (SL, ISA, MTOW) 5,990 ft 1,826 m

Landing Distance (SL, ISA, MLW) 3,170 ft 966 m

Initial Cruise Altitude 41,000 ft 12,497 m

Maximum Cruise Altitude 51,000 ft 15,545 m

:D I'd like to see intel do that...
 
Originally posted by G4scott
Here's some performance specs about the GV (G5, roman numeral for 5...)

Performance:

Maximum Range
(Mach 0.80, 8 passengers, 4 crew, NBAA IFR reserves) 6,500 nm 12,046 km

Long Range Cruise Speed Mach 0.80 459 ktas 851 km/h

Mmo (Maximum Allowable Mach Number) Mach 0.885

Takeoff Distance (SL, ISA, MTOW) 5,990 ft 1,826 m

Landing Distance (SL, ISA, MLW) 3,170 ft 966 m

Initial Cruise Altitude 41,000 ft 12,497 m

Maximum Cruise Altitude 51,000 ft 15,545 m

:D I'd like to see intel do that...
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I've had an opportunity to see one close up, work related, they are truly impressive machines. Creme de la creme of corporate aviation.
 
now why do we care about a GV, anyways


APPLE IS A REAL COMPUTER COMPANY, AND THE BEST!!!!!!!
 
Originally posted by Rocketman
...I predict (I rarely am wrong and I suck as a result) the G5 will be released in the NEW RACK SERVER line first at a substantial price premium...
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We'll see on Tuesday. ;)
 
Originally posted by Rocketman
I predict (I rarely am wrong and I suck as a result) the G5 will be released in the NEW RACK SERVER line first at a substantial price premium.
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That's an idea I hadn't thought of... I wonder what it would do to the price competitiveness, though, if there were a G5 or other next-gen chip in the rack servers. Apple's margins are already pretty high... then again, I'm still wondering how the servers could be price/performance competitive with G4s in them, so anything is possible. :)
It makes sense because they are optimized for high duty cycle applications like servers. As such the pure Mhz might not be high but the throughput will be *"astonishing"*.
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Well, the rumors have been saying 1.2, 1.4, and 1.6GHz G5s. Those are pretty high MHz numbers (higher than anything non-x86). If they're true, I will be surprised if Motorola is able to pull this comeback off what with all they layoffs they've been making. Although I would still like to see it.

Alex
 
Originally posted by Rocketman


My PC CLUB sales-geek had the gaul to tell me USB2 devices were faster than Firewire devices (ignoring the issues of more than one device). And ANY non-optimality.

Rocketman
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Frankly, I don't know if you ever see an external device which can get up to 400Mbps anyway. You see these Firewire drives sold with advertising or notes on the side saying, "up to 400 Mbps throughput!" when really the device communicates much slower, and they're only really referring to the theoretical speed limit of FireWire. Have you ever gotten 12 Mbps out of USB 1.1? I hear the actual limit is much lower, and I don't doubt the same is tru for 2.0

I have no idea why anyone would prefer 1.1 to 2.0, however--why would anyone prefer LESS functionality, compatibility and performance? That makes no sense. The sooner USB 2.0 comes out, the better. There are a lot of USB 2.0 devices out there now, and with the Wintel industry biased for USB and against FireWire, there are and will be many products that have only USB 2.0 and no FireWire versions. That's my problem now in Japan--I want a new scanner, but not USB 1.1 (too slow). There is only one FireWire scanner I've found here (includes USB 2.0), but at $300+ it's more than I want to pay. All the reasonably-priced fast scanners here are USB 2.0.


Tokyo
 
There is something that has always puzzled me about the rumors of these specs. The current G4 chips can talk to PC133 RAM and PCI - nothing faster. So why spend the huge money necessary to design and manufacture DDR and Rapid IO into a G4 if the G5 is basically finished.

The only logical thing I can think of is the G4 will be the processor for eMac, iMac and iBook for at least a few years and Apple has committed to Motorola for huge quantities.

Any other ideas?
 
How about Apple makes G4 servers, G5 racks, eMacs for ed, iMacs for lowerend consumers, G4 Powermacs for highend consumers or prosumers, G5 PowerMacs for pro's, tibook for pro's, iBook for lowend consumers, and a ebook which should be like the current ibook, while making the ibook go up a notch...
 
Toyko's reply above rings very true...

USB 2.0 maxes out at 480mb per second, while firewire maxes at 400. But the actual chance that you're going to see the transfer rate hit that high is very very rare.

USB drive ARE cheaper though...as was mentioned earlier in this thread. Head over to any local CompUSA. USB 2.0 burners are usually about $20 cheaper than firewire ones, and external HDs are even cheaper in comparison!! I don't know why...but they are.

I just put a 6 port USB 2.0 card in my G4, simply for USB 1 expansion. Adaptec hasn't released drivers for Mac OS X yet, but I really could care less.

BTW- Anyone know why my card has an internal USB port? What on earth uses internal USB? And the same thing with the original AGP powermacs...they had an internal firewire port. What gives?

-Pete
 
G5

I want a G5...I don't care it is a G4 chip inside..I want Apple to fool me...just make the case G5...and sell it to me! for cheap of course..:O)


G5 in MWNY
 
Originally posted by ptrauber

BTW- Anyone know why my card has an internal USB port? What on earth uses internal USB? And the same thing with the original AGP powermacs...they had an internal firewire port. What gives?

-Pete
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So you can string a "dual port" adapter off of it to the front of your computer.
 
One possible use for insternal connections...

Originally posted by ptrauber

BTW- Anyone know why my card has an internal USB port? What on earth uses internal USB? And the same thing with the original AGP powermacs...they had an internal firewire port. What gives?

-Pete [/B]
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The internal usb could be used for the new Bluetooth adapter. come to think of it that would actually be a good reason to have it added in.
 
internal USB has been around for as long as USB has been around in pee-cee's. I have no idea why though, but it's not just for bluetooth (if it is at all...)

What seems weird about this rumor, is that it's all too typical for Apple... Another speed bump? I don't know, it just doesn't feel right... It may just be me, or something I ate...
 
With all the improvements under the hood (DDR RAM, higher bus speeds, Gigawire maybe, etc.), Apple just might call it the G5 anyway.
It's still a major jump in architecture, regardless of the chip inside.
 
I didnt mean it that way

I did not mean that Apple from day 1 of that usb card was designing it for the bluetooth adapter. I just meant that if I had a tower with an internal usb port that is what I would use it for. No ugly black adapter sticking out the back would be a plus in my book :) not that the cables look nice or anything.

A@ron
 
I will wet myself with excitement if dual 1.4 GHz G4s are released at MWNY02.



I just know this line will be quoted in the future... :D
 
Originally posted by Beej
I will wet myself with excitement if dual 1.4 GHz G4s are released at MWNY02.



I just know this line will be quoted in the future... :D
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I agree with Beej on this one. I really don't understand why anyone could
B*itch about the these systems. Get ready for it, because this is what is coming. They are going to absolutely fly.

No way around it, the G4 lives.
 
Originally posted by paulwhannel


I think we can be reasonably sure USB2 will be standard... as for Firewire2, we can only hope...

These do sound like much better specs. I wonder how zippy the dual 1.4s would really feel... prolly an improvement over a 500MHz iMac, eh?

hehe
:)
pnw
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USB 2.0 will never be standard on mac computers because that would suck for firewire..
 
Originally posted by gbojim
There is something that has always puzzled me about the rumors of these specs. The current G4 chips can talk to PC133 RAM and PCI - nothing faster. So why spend the huge money necessary to design and manufacture DDR and Rapid IO into a G4 if the G5 is basically finished.

The only logical thing I can think of is the G4 will be the processor for eMac, iMac and iBook for at least a few years and Apple has committed to Motorola for huge quantities.

Any other ideas?
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I think the new servers will give the game away! If they have a new chip then so will the new powermacs! If they are just faster G4's then we will at least know what the new towers will be like.
 
hard drive

One thing i hadn't noticed before:

I dont remember Apple including 120GB hard drives among their lines, not even as a custom built option. Could this mean that the specs are too exagerated, or that Apple will begin using those drives?

Just something to wonder about...
 
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