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iPad My Apple store says they're selling TONS of iPad Airs
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the illustration says it all...as does the hefty weight and price tag.What is so innovative about the Surface?
It's basically an OK laptop and not a very good tablet. iPad Air, MBA and rMBP all have better battery life. Most people I know don't do real work on a 10" screen. Office hasn't really been optimized for touch. Surface is hardly ever marketed with out the kickstand in use and touch or type cover attached yet I think most who have used it would agree a real laptop has better keyboard and trackpad, screen has better viewing angles and it works much better when actually using it in your lap. Surface works best on a flat surface. There's nothing that really makes Surface a great tablet. It's thicker and heavier than other tablets. Microsoft never shows it in portrait mode. It's not an ideal product for curling up in bed and reading a book or watching a movie on. It's not the kind of product you'd slip in your purse/handbag/backpack when your out and about. With the Air, I can slip it in my handbag and not even feel that it's there.
Microsoft knew trying to copy the iPad and Android tablets was a non starter. So they came up with this "no compromises" idea. The only problem is, there are compromises. You don't end up with a great laptop and a great tablet, you end up with both being mediocre.
The other thing is I think consumers have spoken and see tablets as primarily consumption devices and are perfectly fine with that. Using myself as an example, I work with Office all day at my job. The last thing I want to do when I come home is use office on my tablet. Plus I can't imagine trying to use Excel on a 10" touch screen anyway. And my Fortune 50 company is never going to give us Surfaces when they get deals with Dell and HP on cheap laptops (and we haven't completely migrated to Windows 7 yet, my PC is still running Windows XP). So who exactly is the Surface for?
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Im basing it on the fact that I do use Surface for work as I write software that has to work across all platforms.
I don't doubt there is a certain market of iPad users who wish to use it for more productive tasks. Our sales ream use iPads to display brochures and for presentations for example. I was just trying to make the point that when some people claim the iPad is inferior because it can't do some of the things the Surface can, it's not necessarily a consideration or negative for all of us.
Given my Best Buy had LTE versions in last week, and there are several others who have posted about getting LTE versions at Best Buy, I'm going to say you are wrong, about Best Buy as a company not having LTE last week, some stores may not have had them, some stores still may not have had them, but my Best Buy definitely had LTE last week.
-Tig
I can own up to when I'm wrong. Thanks for being a moral crusader.
I stand corrected, then.
If you want to assume she was feeding me a line of PR BS fine. I guess we'll find out who was right when Apple reports quarterly sales figures.
No, wrong. If you actually had the device then we could have a discussion. The Surface's kickstand DOES allow you to rest it on your lap. It works.
Surface 2 is absolutely usable on the lap at its new 40-degree angle. The extended angle changes a few things.
http://www.tested.com/tech/windows/458858-testing-microsoft-surface-2-laptop/
It's not perfect, but the new multi-angle stand is a game changer to this end. And please, do not even make a comparison to an iPad smart cover resting on your lap. You're just grasping here. The smart cover is terrible. It's weak at best and has no real angle changes. The main problem is physics. It doesn't span far enough behind the iPad to provide the stability the device needs to be sturdily held in place. And it's wobbly because it's pliable fabric.
Finding a case with a stand for the iPad is exactly, PRECISELY the problem. They are byzantine, ugly, and unwieldy because the iPad was never designed specifically for them. And here's the kicker. Go ahead and get a cover with a stand. You still need a keyboard. Yet another bulky accessory. Nothing, I mean nothing, comes even remotely close to the backlit touch cover 2 for the Surface at .1 lbs. No need for a cover accessory and no need for a stand accessory. Nothing can compete with this combination on the iPad side.
Productivity Apps like Office are useless without a keyboard? Yes. Same with no keyboard on the iPad for Pages. But the kicker is you don't need a mouse with the Surface because the mouse is built into the keyboard cover and it's also multi-touch. And as far as the iPad's concerned, buy a million mice... they won't work because iOS doesn't allow for mouse input unless you hack.
The only accessory you need for the Surface is the keyboard cover. I have no problem with it being an accessory. The Surface is already $50+ cheaper than an entry level iPad.
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Given the craziness people are seeing at stores, I wonder what are the chances of finding a $479 16gb Air with $100 gift card at Target on Black Friday?
I've tried the new surface on my lap and it's still wobbly side to side. The smart over has two angles, 75 deg and 25 deg.
The Surface is not terrible at consumption. I love it for this. This is your opinion and not a fact. Right now the reviews are trending toward my opinion. You are entitled to yours but it is yours, not everyone else's.
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Your opinion, and opinionated you are. We get it, you don't like it. Other people do like it even though you don't. And it is not more expensive than an iPad Air. The Pro? Yes, more expensive. But the RT is $50 less than a 16 GB iPad Air and comes with Office for free.
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Sorry, but no, you will not change reality. Reality is anything of even modest complexity you need much more robust and powerful tools than an iPad, particularly an iPad sans any productivity accessories. Doing a 2 page document is a joke. And even doing a Resume have fun with that. Slow multi-touch input and stripped down features. You're geeking out... and I've been there.
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Do not even try to argue about this. It's a fact that the Surface 2 with multi-angle stand is sturdier than the iPad with smart cover. I'll fly you into our office and video both devices in different situations as you use them, testing it. If it's demonstrated that the Surface 2 is sturdier, you pay for your trip and we'll send you packing eating crow.
The Surface is not terrible at consumption. I love it for this. This is your opinion and not a fact. Right now the reviews are trending toward my opinion. You are entitled to yours but it is yours, not everyone else's.
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Your opinion, and opinionated you are. We get it, you don't like it. Other people do like it even though you don't. And it is not more expensive than an iPad Air. The Pro? Yes, more expensive. But the RT is $50 less than a 16 GB iPad Air and comes with Office for free.
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Sorry, but no, you will not change reality. Reality is anything of even modest complexity you need much more robust and powerful tools than an iPad, particularly an iPad sans any productivity accessories. Doing a 2 page document is a joke. And even doing a Resume have fun with that. Slow multi-touch input and stripped down features. You're geeking out... and I've been there.
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Do not even try to argue about this. It's a fact that the Surface 2 with multi-angle stand is sturdier than the iPad with smart cover. I'll fly you into our office and video both devices in different situations as you use them, testing it. If it's demonstrated that the Surface 2 is sturdier, you pay for your trip and we'll send you packing eating crow.
Office does come for free with Surface RT accept for the fact that it cant run native Office. Additionally of the 32gigs you get 17gigs worth of OS. Its 32gigs in theory but in practice you only get 15gigs of strage. Its not even equivalent to the iPad with a non retina screen as it offers no benefit of increased mobility over a similarly priced laptop. The free office software you cant even use on your Surface RT. The keyboard case is barely passable as a case and barely useable as a keyboard as it doesnt work half of the time. I have an easier time typing on an iPad with the virtual keyboard than the Surface keyboard case. They shouldve priced the Surface $300 because thats all its worth.
MSFT the definition of bloatware. It doesnt benefit them to simplify things thats why they havent.
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The apple store is the poster child of puppies and rainbows. No matter what t he employees always paint a perfect picture.
"Oh, we're getting a ton of iphone 5s's. Yesterday they were ALL gold. Uh, no we're out of all colors and sizes, but order one online and you'll get it in a jiffy."
"Oh, we're getting a ton of iphone 5s's. Yesterday they were ALL gold. Uh, no we're out of all colors and sizes, but order one online and you'll get it in a jiffy."
Dude please... you are completely full of it.
-The Office 2013 RT version of Word, Excel, PowerPoint, OneNote, and Outlook applications include the vast majority of Office Home & Student 2013 and Outlook 2013 features available on PCs, and nearly all the features most customers use. And Windows RT versions of its Office productivity suite include Outlook, which look and operate identically to the full Windows variants of Office and come included free with the Surface 2. But right, according to you people can't use Office on their RT Surface 2! LOL.
-As for your comments about having 15 or whatever gigs of space on the Surface... man, are you rambling. The Surface 2 costs $450 entry level. The iPad Air entry level (16 GB) costs $500. You get zero memory advantages because there is no increased memory on the iPad.
-So the keyboard cover doesn't work half of the time... right, another load of BS from the guy who doesn't own the device. And it's barely passable as a "case"? Right, says the Apple fanboy who loves the smart cover which is itself something that doesn't have an embedded keyboard and works the exact same way as a cover... What a load of trollshxt.
-"I have an easier time typing on an iPad with the virtual keyboard than the Surface keyboard case." BS. Complete BS. Enough trolling.
Although this thread seems to have developed into that of a what is the best tablet discussion I will pitch in with my thoughts on the iPad Mini and iPad Air.
Originally I went into the Apple store looking to buy a retina iPad Mini at first, in the UK they are currently reservation only but I just went in to take a look. The screen looked great an it was very fast and responsive and pretty much weighed nothing.
At the same time I thought I might as well check out the Air whilst I am there. After which I quickly changed my mind to getting the Air simply because the iOS icons were larger and text seemed easier to read. The web experience also seemed a lot more comforting on the larger display.
With my phone being the Note II I then thought well with a phone this large already an iPad Mini isn't really going to bring that much of a new experience and thus I picked up an Air that same day.
Originally I went into the Apple store looking to buy a retina iPad Mini at first, in the UK they are currently reservation only but I just went in to take a look. The screen looked great an it was very fast and responsive and pretty much weighed nothing.
At the same time I thought I might as well check out the Air whilst I am there. After which I quickly changed my mind to getting the Air simply because the iOS icons were larger and text seemed easier to read. The web experience also seemed a lot more comforting on the larger display.
With my phone being the Note II I then thought well with a phone this large already an iPad Mini isn't really going to bring that much of a new experience and thus I picked up an Air that same day.
Online usage numbers are inflated because Safari keeps reloading tabs when ever you switch to another tab or app and back.
Give this man a beer! You are prudent! I own a note 3 and I have the same dilemma so I went with the AIR as well but only after having bought a mini retina and seeing how gimped it's color gamut was, i returned it.
Actually, the note 3 is so good, I am wondering if I even need the iPad air when outside. Truth is the AIR has the better quality screen and screen size is perfect to indulge content on. Right now, I'm actually thinking of just returning the AIR and going with just my note 3 and a rMBP 13 instead. Biggest reason now with the AIR is the fact it is 64bit and has a mere 1GB ram - I get more safari low memory crashes than ever before with my previous iPads. My note 3 even with 2.38GB remaining RAM out of the 3GB, i never get any crashes period. So i am thinking of waiting at least for 2014 apple will in fact release a much more potent A processor that will do the iPad justice along with more RAM. Right now, the AIR does stutter and games run well but not good enough where there is no dropping frames.
They are just cheap; one A7 processor to run all 3 ipads/iphone. A7 is decent but the RAM is severely lacking.
I called apple they told me I should not be getting low memory crashes (had many everyday) they asked that I return to the store and replace it. I did and in the last 48 hours I have not had 1 low memory crash.
Yeah, that may have been a problem back in the 1990s, but most firms that measure these things now account for page reloads and count unique visitors over a period of days or weeks. Clients that are reloading still get counted only once during the measurement period.
Retina displays are not for everyone, just for those of us that notice the vast improvement over the much lower resolution original.