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And AT&T is obeying you. You pay so much a month for cell phone service, and AT&T is providing that to you. As per the terms of the contract, that is all they're contractually obligated to do. You can't just demand things and expect them to give it to you.
But, I want a new car!! Ford, give me a new car! Please?? I demand it, obey me!!!!!!11111!!!one!!!!

The actual end of the story is, I'm unhappy. And while AT&T might not give a care about that right now, they will when I move to the competing iPhone carrier in 2010 (conjecture of course, but apply the message to any date and it holds the same).
You are unhappy because you have no business sense and have an equal lack of understanding on how companies work. I'm sure AT&T will cry when they lose you, a customer who probably costs more in customer service time than they make from you. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. And when you go to Verizon and the next ZOMG-AWESOME phone comes out, don't be surprised if they don't let you try to finagle your way to a new device.

Sorry, but now I have a bunch of people reading your comments and scratching their head in utter disbelief of your reasoning, or lack of.
 
Not for you, no. I sure hope you and Samcraig don't run companies. You might miss out on the fact that a satisfied customer for life is way more valuable than an unsatisfied customer locked into a contract for only two years.

We're arguing that you shouldn't be dissatisfied at all. We're arguing that being dissatisfied is ridiculous in this situation. You're right, you might not remainwith ATT in two years, but their cost/benefit analysis probably said a few people like you being dissatisfied and leaving was worth it.

And I never claimed AT&T had the "protocols" in place. I am thoroughly capable of understanding what you write.

My mistake, I get the impression that you aren't.


And while AT&T might not give a care about that right now, they will when I move...

No they won't. What if they extended eligibility to everyone who pays $80/month or more instead of $99? Let's say that makes another 10,000 people eligible. If 50% of those take advantage of the offer that's 5000*$400 (subsidy per iPhone). That's a lot of money. Do you think there are enough people like you who are so dissatisfied with ATT adhering to the original contract that they'd switch away as soon as they're let out of their contract? All I can say is ATT does not, and I'm inclined to believe them and the hundreds of thousands of dollars they pay for the ability to run such scenarios through people and computers far more knowledgable/expensive than you.
 
"there is a discrepancy between what AT&T said what "qualified" and what a customer could theoretically do to be qualified."


No - they were quite clear with what criteria they set for eligibility. They didn't imply or make any gestures to imply that someone who did NOT meet those requirements would be able to "make it up after class" to qualify.

Understand?

As for best business practices - let me share something with you. For a few years I designed websites for people in the entertainment industry. I loved ALL of my clients and consider them (still) great friends. I also dropped or politely declined those people who I knew to be (or presented themselves to be) liabilities or extremely high maintenance. Sure - I lost out on their income - but MY bottom line was not only providing services to my clients, but also maintaining sanity for myself.

Conversely - imagine after you fulfull your contract in 2 years, ATT sent you a note saying "thanks for being a customer. We no longer wish to continue your contract" Would you be OK with that. If you're unhappy - you can leave. ATT doesn't really get that luxury...
 
"there is a discrepancy between what AT&T said what "qualified" and what a customer could theoretically do to be qualified."


No - they were quite clear with what criteria they set for eligibility. They didn't imply or make any gestures to imply that someone who did NOT meet those requirements would be able to "make it up after class" to qualify.

Understand?

As for best business practices - let me share something with you. For a few years I designed websites for people in the entertainment industry. I loved ALL of my clients and consider them (still) great friends. I also dropped or politely declined those people who I knew to be (or presented themselves to be) liabilities or extremely high maintenance. Sure - I lost out on their income - but MY bottom line was not only providing services to my clients, but also maintaining sanity for myself.

Conversely - imagine after you fulfull your contract in 2 years, ATT sent you a note saying "thanks for being a customer. We no longer wish to continue your contract" Would you be OK with that. If you're unhappy - you can leave. ATT doesn't really get that luxury...

Actually, just like your web design business, I'm fairly certain that AT&T has the right to refuse service to me. They're not legally obligated to be my wireless service provider.

If they wanted to cut their ties with me, they could do so. I suppose, depending on the contract, they might have to wait until my two years was up.

No - they were quite clear with what criteria they set for eligibility. They didn't imply or make any gestures to imply that someone who did NOT meet those requirements would be able to "make it up after class" to qualify.

Understand?

Perfectly. Never said there was a "make up after class".

I'm saying, any person can look at the numbers and realize that they were $120, $90, $80, maybe even as low as $24 dollars away from meeting the requirement, and would have certainly preferred to pay that amount over the previous 12 months, rather than pay the extra $200 at time of purchase.

In no way am I saying that they legally obligated to listen to me. In no way am I am saying they are legally obligated to obey me. In no way am I saying they bait and switched me. Or tricked me. Or did something unjust.

I'm just saying, they should've realized this and created some way to allow the customer to pay the difference and be eligible. You can't spring some special exemption on your customer base that only applies to a select few and say "suck it" to the rest and expect to have droves of satisfied customers as a result. Had I known this memo would be the case on my contract on day one, I would've made arrangements to be eligible the legit way.

It's a simple good faith gesture. Just like the $200 credit on the original iPhone, the $30 iTunes cards and so on. I work at a theme park, where we make good faith gestures all the time to keep our guests happy. Because we realize that a lifelong satisfied guest is inherently more valuable than a guest that just blew $1000, but left unhappy. Even the guest that have ridiculous complaints (as many of you feel mine is), we go out of our way to keep happy. This idea that a customer sometimes isn't worth the trouble is just bad business. Unless they're breaking laws or wreaking havoc, every customer counts. I certainly did neither. I called, pointed out my reasons and made a case. I wasn't rude. But I certainly didn't joke. I can't fathom how I'm no longer "worth it" to AT&T, as there must be hundreds of thousands of people in my same situation with my same rate plan and same desires. And if only a small fraction of them feel the way I do, it still represents a good chunk of change.
 
You didn't say the words - but in essense - that's what you want and stated again. You want to post-facto make yourself eligible and I'm stating quite clearly that's a logical "argument" in your favor.

You're not saying they bait and switched - yet you used the term "shady" in at least one post before implying that what they are doing is underhanded. They aren't doing anything underhanded just because you don't like what they are doing. They are being upfront and stating "on the record" their criteria. If they wanted to be underhanded, they would have just made some eligible and some not and left everyone to wonder how and why.

"Had I known this memo would be the case on my contract on day one, I would've made arrangements to be eligible the legit way."

Are you serious?!!?! That last comment made me laugh. You sincerely believe they should not only KNOW what and how they MIGHT offer promotions from YOUR day 1?

Now you're a comedian!
 
If they wanted to be underhanded, they would have just made some eligible and some not and left everyone to wonder how and why.

Actually, from what I recall, that's precisely what happened. The memo used words like "generally", "usually" and "typically" along with "in most cases", etc. They really didn't well-define what was going on.

And they DID indeed make some eligible and some not. And, as a matter of fact (and I feel terrible now that I've neglected to mention this) but while on the phone with one of the supervisors, she mentioned there was MORE to the special memo eligibility than the $99, but wouldn't bother to explicitly explain to me what that was. She just kept saying "It's not as simple as the $99".

Why are you getting gipped?

*sigh* Because I could've paid $99 each month instead of $89 for 12 months. $120 more.

And because I didn't pay that $120 over 12 months, I had to pay $400 for the device instead of $200.

So, in summation:

$120 more plus $200 less = $80 savings.
 
Backpeddling and selective memory while posting has led me to determine that I no longer wish to engage in this futile conversation with you. We all understand where you're coming from. As unfortunate as this is for you to understand, it's not them. It's not us. It's clearly you.

Edit to add: You can't BUY loyalty. And thats' what you want to have been allowed post-facto. ATT "rewarded" a selective group of their customer base. That's the beginning - middle and end of the story.
 
*sigh* Because I could've paid $99 each month instead of $89 for 12 months. $120 more.

And because I didn't pay that $120 over 12 months, I had to pay $400 for the device instead of $200.

So, in summation:

$120 more plus $200 less = $80 savings.

I already explained why that math is wrong and doesn't make sense for ATT even if you and people like you never renew again. Look up.
 
Backpeddling and selective memory while posting has led me to determine that I no longer wish to engage in this futile conversation with you. We all understand where you're coming from. As unfortunate as this is for you to understand, it's not them. It's not us. It's clearly you.

Sorry. The point about the supervisor not being clear wasn't really relevant in my first post and continued to be irrelevant until you said they weren't being vague.

I'm not inventing crap just to look cool, as I'm obviously not of popular opinion in this thread to begin with.

But, okay - Bye.
 
No, you chose to pay the extra $200. I'm not eligible for the upgrade pricing until November. I'm choosing to wait, you could too.

You're right. It's a poor choice of words on my part.

Indeed I did elect to pay $400 instead of waiting.

I just think that given the circumstances, my price should have either have been $320 for the device or been allowed to pay $120 to become eligible and then buy for $200.

That's all.

But knowing that wasn't gonna happen after my discussion with AT&T, yes, I still elected to pay $400.

Golden Knight is racist.

Ahh, so you're the comic relief in this thread. And I was told it was me. Sad.:rolleyes:
 
Alright - I lied. I'm responding - but not to anything cell related.

"http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gipped"

Perhaps your problem is where you go to define words. Go to DICTIONARY.COM - or even google the term and you'll see that Gipped is derivitive of the word Gypsy - which is why the term was being called racist.


(looks to the sky referencing the younger generations) So much information available at ones fingertips to the likes we have NEVER seen before and yet people still are lazy to educate themselves further. So sad.
 
*sigh* Because I could've paid $99 each month instead of $89 for 12 months. $120 more.

And because I didn't pay that $120 over 12 months, I had to pay $400 for the device instead of $200.

So, in summation:

$120 more plus $200 less = $80 savings.

Did you offer to pay the difference in the next two years of your contract? That's what ATT is assuming here. If you spent $100 last year, you'll spend it again the next two years of the new contract. That's one big reason they extend early upgrades -- keep the cash cows on contract. I bet if you offer them $240 they will take it. Might even give you that $40 credit again too.
 
ATT Sucks

I agree with the thread starter. This is unfair considering :apple: updates their lineup each year.
 
You're right. It's a poor choice of words on my part.

Indeed I did elect to pay $400 instead of waiting.

I just think that given the circumstances, my price should have either have been $320 for the device or been allowed to pay $120 to become eligible and then buy for $200.

That's all.

But knowing that wasn't gonna happen after my discussion with AT&T, yes, I still elected to pay $400.

Your math is wrong. Those paying $99/month who were eligible for the upgrade will likely continue paying at least $99/month once they do get a 3GS.

Your theory is that since you paid $89/month for the past year, you should be able to pay $120 to make up for that and become eligible. The thing is though, once you get the 3GS, you're likely going to continue paying $89/month. Maybe if you paid $240 to make up that difference over the length of a 2 year contract, your point would be valid, but then you'd be paying more for the iPhone than the non upgrade price would cost you. So your math is invalid.
 
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Do you guys always have to be right? I think we understand both points of view on this issue, but the facts are AT&T refuses to do what you want. It's time to move on. It always amazes me how people talk to each other on the internet protected by their keyboards and screens; I wonder how you guys would be if we put you in a room together. At any rate, I agree with you, they "should" want to make you happy, but they "aren't;" that's just the way it is.
 
Alright - I lied. I'm responding - but not to anything cell related.

"http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gipped"

Perhaps your problem is where you go to define words. Go to DICTIONARY.COM - or even google the term and you'll see that Gipped is derivitive of the word Gypsy - which is why the term was being called racist.


(looks to the sky referencing the younger generations) So much information available at ones fingertips to the likes we have NEVER seen before and yet people still are lazy to educate themselves further. So sad.

Welcome back, Samcraig!

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Maybe, in your infinite wisdom, you can also explain why "Golden Knight" is racist?
 
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