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My Gmail Accounts are PUSHING in 3.0

xcrunner said:
In theory yes, but plenty of people there trust him and if your e-mail is really that important then don't use it I guess. Depends on how much you want push.
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oh ok cool. ya im not sure. my emails arent important but at the same time it'd be weird thinking that someone i dont know might be snooping around.

but guess what...i think i figured out how to make my yahoo push reliable...more details when im sure.
 
lostfan916 said:
Do you have a school e-mail? Try and log into it and see if it uses Exchange. I log on through mine through my school's website, I think you should be able to.
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i don't think my school does for the students. the faculty does though.
 
wfiphone said:
There is no push gmail. There will never be push gmail. Push email costs MONEY.[/B][/SIZE]
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Google licensed ActiveSync for Push GMail. They have already released the Calendar and Contacts Sync and Push GMail will be released in a couple of months.
 
"Push" for Gmail has only worked for me in the past when I had another true Push account setup, my educated guess is that it is able to use IMAP IDLE but only when another process has Mail.app on the iPhone open.
 
Were the people that are having email pushed to their phones experiencing the typical battery drain youd see while using scheduled fetch?
 
SFC Archer said:
Make sure that your gmail is set up IAW the instructions here. It is very important that you build using other and not Gmail.

Then on your iPhone under "Settings", "Mail, Contacts, Calender", "Fetch"
that "Push" is off and Fetch is set for your minute/hourly selection.

Then scroll down to "Advanced" and insure that it set up Fetch under your schedule.

Those are "MY" settings that make it work on "MY" iPhone. Others users may have different settings.
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Man..

I wish this would work on MY phone.

Sadly, it isn't.
 
Rat-Boy said:
Man..

I wish this would work on MY phone.

Sadly, it isn't.
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I was explaining how to do it to a friend last night (using the advice from this thread), and when he tried, it wouldn't work for him. I asked if I could give it a shot, and was able to get it working... for us (both running 2.2.1), it seems the order/steps have had to be executed in order:

1) follow the instructions here
2) in Settings, under Fetch New Data, set Push 'On' and to check every 15 minutes. Under Advanced, make sure your Gmail is set to 'Fetch.'
3) Let it run one complete 15 minute cycle (ie - go have a drink and wait 20 minutes). Go back into Settings and you can now set it to check every hour.

Voila. Again, I don't know if this will work for everybody, but it's now 24+ hours, and it's working for both of us.
 
Here is the pattern I am seeing that I do not think has been mentioned in this thread yet. iPhone set to push or fetch (doesn't matter for me), gmail accounts set to fetch, fetch interval set to 15, 30, 1hr (doesn't matter for me). When the iPhone is plugged in, I get near-instant gmail updates. When the iPhone is running on battery, email is updated at the fetch interval. I've seen from past testing that the wifi and 3G radios stay on when the iPhone is plugged in, but they go to sleep when the iPhone is running on battery.

To me, this indicates that while the phone is plugged in, IMAP IDLE is kept going, which is cool, but is different than the "push" happening with MobileMe mail, Yahoo mail and Exchange ActiveSync.

Have the others that are seeing quick gmail notifications been seeing this while their phone is plugged in or on battery?
 
ebika said:
Here is the pattern I am seeing that I do not think has been mentioned in this thread yet. iPhone set to push or fetch (doesn't matter for me), gmail accounts set to fetch, fetch interval set to 15, 30, 1hr (doesn't matter for me). When the iPhone is plugged in, I get near-instant gmail updates. When the iPhone is running on battery, email is updated at the fetch interval. I've seen from past testing that the wifi and 3G radios stay on when the iPhone is plugged in, but they go to sleep when the iPhone is running on battery.

To me, this indicates that while the phone is plugged in, IMAP IDLE is kept going, which is cool, but is different than the "push" happening with MobileMe mail, Yahoo mail and Exchange ActiveSync.

Have the others that are seeing quick gmail notifications been seeing this while their phone is plugged in or on battery?
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I haven't noticed a difference between the two, but I will be on the lookout. What I have noticed is that if a message has loaded on web Gmail, but not yet on the iPhone, if I open an app on the iPhone (doesn't matter which) ... when I return to my home screen the message will be there.

If this is IMAP IDLE (which it seems to be), it's still a huge improvement over what we've had before.
 
Hmm, strange. If iphone 3.0 IMAP IDLE were supported in 3.0, wouldn't this be on the official release announcement or more obvious than strange work arounds? Guess we'll find out tomorrow.

Also, I understood the real benefit of push is the battery saving it brings. Whether it comes "instantly" or in 2 minutes doesn't really matter, its the power savings.

Unless those 2-3 minutes are so critical? If the message is so important i understand there is some weird old technology where you hear a persons voice which is much faster or something?
 
WannaGoMac said:
Hmm, strange. If iphone 3.0 IMAP IDLE were supported in 3.0, wouldn't this be on the official release announcement or more obvious than strange work arounds?
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One thing I neglected to mention is that the pattern I am seeing is with 2.2.1. IMAP IDLE may already be there, so it would not be new for 3.0.

As for the trade-off between immediate email notification and battery, you're right, immediate notification is not always necessary. It can be a good thing to have business email notifications quickly when running between meetings though. There are lots of times when voice calls would be too disruptive, conversations are between someone at a computer and I only have my phone, and not having to wait 15 minutes or more is a nice-to-have feature.
 
ebika said:
One thing I neglected to mention is that the pattern I am seeing is with 2.2.1. IMAP IDLE may already be there, so it would not be new for 3.0.

As for the trade-off between immediate email notification and battery, you're right, immediate notification is not always necessary. It can be a good thing to have business email notifications quickly when running between meetings though. There are lots of times when voice calls would be too disruptive, conversations are between someone at a computer and I only have my phone, and not having to wait 15 minutes or more is a nice-to-have feature.
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When I had an iPhone for a month (I returned it because of the terrible ATT service in my area) I would just manually re-retrieve / sync the gmail account. Worked fine for me as a work around.

If push comes tomorrow it would be great. I am excited to see the new hardware as I will give the iPhone another try to see if ATT is less crappy a year later...
 
This most definitely does NOT work. I tested this with 3.0 beta 5.

I have a me.com account. I have an iphone 3g on 2.2.1 and an iphone 2g on 3.0b5 that is my dev test phone. I have my gmail setup to forward my email immediately to my me.com address. I sent an email to my gmail address from my iphone 3G. 2 seconds later, I got the message on my Iphone 2G with 3.0, on my me.com account. I should have seen 2 new emails, 1 from my me.com account, 1 from gmail(I have gmail set to leave it in the gmail inbox).

I did not see the gmail message until I actually opened the email client on the iphone and it checked my gmail and then I had 2 new messages

And I waited a few minutes to see if the gmail would show up before doing this.

Therefore, it is not true push like me.com. I tested this multiple times with the same result.
 
cualexander said:
This most definitely does NOT work. I tested this with 3.0 beta 5.

I have a me.com account. I have an iphone 3g on 2.2.1 and an iphone 2g on 3.0b5 that is my dev test phone. I have my gmail setup to forward my email immediately to my me.com address. I sent an email to my gmail address from my iphone 3G. 2 seconds later, I got the message on my Iphone 2G with 3.0, on my me.com account. I should have seen 2 new emails, 1 from my me.com account, 1 from gmail(I have gmail set to leave it in the gmail inbox).

I did not see the gmail message until I actually opened the email client on the iphone and it checked my gmail and then I had 2 new messages

And I waited a few minutes to see if the gmail would show up before doing this.

Therefore, it is not true push like me.com. I tested this multiple times with the same result.
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You are correct that this may not be working for you, but it is working for some of us.

I have had a blackberry for years, and I know what push looks like. I also had an Android phone for a month, and was accustomed to push there as well.

Now, since re-adding my Gmail to my iPhone, I have push-like features on it for the first time (which are more probably IMAP IDLE). Whether I am saving battery life or not -- I'm quite pleased to have it there, downloading emails more frequently than every 15 minutes -- and not through a pay-for-play work-around via me.com.

I'm sorry if you're not able to achieve the same results on your phone using 3.0. But to say that it absolutely doesn't work is a pretty small-minded view, especially given the number of people in this thread who are seeing the changes.
 
lol

THE "SOME" OF YOU THAT IT IS WORKING FOR JUST DONT KNOW WHAT THE HELL REAL PUSH IS!

if your gmail is coming through right away..its likely becuase you have the mail.app open.
gmail DOES NOT have push...


im sure ill get crap from everyone telling me that its working..

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the bottom line is that you may be getting faster updates..but that doesnt make it PUSH..
 
If you define push as "Every 15 minutes I get my new email", then yes, it works.


However if you define push as, "I get my new email the second it hits the server", then NO, it does not work

I'm not saying push doesn't work with gmail, it just depends on how you define it.

Personally, I define it the second way, and therefore it doesn't work for me.
 
hefeglass said:
lol

THE "SOME" OF YOU THAT IT IS WORKING FOR JUST DONT KNOW WHAT THE HELL REAL PUSH IS!

if your gmail is coming through right away..its likely becuase you have the mail.app open.
gmail DOES NOT have push...


im sure ill get crap from everyone telling me that its working..

POST A VIDEO

the bottom line is that you may be getting faster updates..but that doesnt make it PUSH..
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Dude, calm down. IMAP Idle is close enough to push that it doesn't really matter.
 
see the post above yours...

i dont see how you are saying that 15 minutes is the same as instantaneously..
 
hefeglass said:
see the post above yours...

i dont see how you are saying that 15 minutes is the same as instantaneously..
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Hefeglass, you are missing the point. Messages aren't loading every 15 minutes. They are coming in with (nearly) zero latency.

I don't care if you call it push, IMAP IDLE, Sinter Claus, or the ghosts of Stevenotes past -- the point is that it is a hell of a lot faster than it's ever been.

If that is hard for you to believe, and you don't trust the dozens of people here that are experiencing it as well, then (dare I ask) ... what's the point of even posting? I think the majority of us are trying to learn (and/or) help each other out by sharing our observations/method that are working and helping us get our Gmail faster.

What are your posts contributing?
 
hefeglass said:
lol

THE "SOME" OF YOU THAT IT IS WORKING FOR JUST DONT KNOW WHAT THE HELL REAL PUSH IS!

if your gmail is coming through right away..its likely becuase you have the mail.app open.
gmail DOES NOT have push...


im sure ill get crap from everyone telling me that its working..

POST A VIDEO

the bottom line is that you may be getting faster updates..but that doesnt make it PUSH..
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i agree, please turn off data fetch and show me on youtube.
this thread seems like fringe science
 
Masquerade said:
i agree, please turn off data fetch and show me on youtube.
this thread seems like fringe science
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I'd love to -- do you have a camera I can borrow?

On the one hand, I understand your frustration -- from page 5 of this thread it looks like you tried this on April 3 running 3.0b2 and it didn't work for you. All I can say is that it is working for a bunch of us. I am running 2.2.1 (as was the phone I replicated on).

And, if you look at my post above (#160), I am not running it with data fetch completely off. I am running it at every hour after letting it cycle once at 15 minutes. And my mail is coming in nearly instantly.

If you don't believe me, and all those that have come before me, without watching a clip... well, your loss.
 
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