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My house is being plagued by at least 2 spirits, to be documented
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I don't believe in spirits in the religious sense. I only call them that because there isn't a better word for it.
This isn't the first time I've encountered unexplained phenomena. There have always been things rearranged throughout my homes, unexplained voices when I'm home alone, and presences.
This is, however, the first time something has tried to interact with us. Normally it's like a fly in the room, just here and there, now it's like a mosquito actively searching for a bite.
This isn't the first time I've encountered unexplained phenomena. There have always been things rearranged throughout my homes, unexplained voices when I'm home alone, and presences.
This is, however, the first time something has tried to interact with us. Normally it's like a fly in the room, just here and there, now it's like a mosquito actively searching for a bite.
Seems like religion and belief in evil spirits would go hand in hand. Why would someone accept the existence of evil spirits if they weren't religious (spiritual)?
It just seems that more people accept that there are evil spirits, but totally ignore the fact that there are other types as well.
Funny. We must have different editions. Mine lists them as Grand Marnier and Drambuie.
"One spirit is seemingly attached to Duder. It is a near 4' tall black being with brown "arms" with hands clasped in front and hanging down. It is black, not wearing black, and has no face but a thin neck and tiny head. It has been seen in the garage and Duder often mistakes it for Panda before realizing Panda is either asleep, in another part of the house entirely, or is GONE from the house. The being most often appears in this scenario: Duder is home alone and hears footsteps pass behind the couch that she is sitting on, when she turns, nobody is there. When she sees it from the corner of her eye, she believes it is Panda until she tries to focus on the being but it vanishes as soon as she notices it there and realizes Panda is gone from the house."
Now as a disclaimer I do not doubt what you believe.
However.
You said there were three white people and you were Hispanic ? Is this correct?
I'm assuming "Panda" is white ?
The entity you described was "black with brown arms"
If so. WHY would "Dude" mistake it for Panda ?
Now as a disclaimer I do not doubt what you believe.
However.
You said there were three white people and you were Hispanic ? Is this correct?
I'm assuming "Panda" is white ?
The entity you described was "black with brown arms"
If so. WHY would "Dude" mistake it for Panda ?
Panda is short with black straight hair. I know as well if I saw something that small creeping around and only saw the top part of their head, I'd mistake them for Panda.
It's black, not ethnic or in shrouds, apparently it's just a black thing with brown arms don't ask me.
It's black, not ethnic or in shrouds, apparently it's just a black thing with brown arms
don't ask me.
Duder has just informed me of another happening in my absence.
She had a balloon in the house that she left in the living room. The balloon slowly moved across the ceiling, as balloons so often do, nothing strange there. She reports that while she sat in the living room the balloon traveled across the room several times, which doesn't at all sound unreasonable.
However, she then tells me that she left the living room to warm up some dinner rolls. When she returned, the balloon had travelled out of the living room. She later found it in the bathroom (the one I won't go into now) midway down the hall. A total distance of nearly 13'. Nothing wrong there.
However, let's examine this.
1. She is the only person home at that time.
2. The balloon only left the room after she left?
3. The problem with this is that there are 2 doorways between the living room and bathroom, through which the balloon would had to have "magically" lost buoyancy for an instant to travel beneath the doorways.
Man...something about that bathroom...
She had a balloon in the house that she left in the living room. The balloon slowly moved across the ceiling, as balloons so often do, nothing strange there. She reports that while she sat in the living room the balloon traveled across the room several times, which doesn't at all sound unreasonable.
However, she then tells me that she left the living room to warm up some dinner rolls. When she returned, the balloon had travelled out of the living room. She later found it in the bathroom (the one I won't go into now) midway down the hall. A total distance of nearly 13'. Nothing wrong there.
However, let's examine this.
1. She is the only person home at that time.
2. The balloon only left the room after she left?
3. The problem with this is that there are 2 doorways between the living room and bathroom, through which the balloon would had to have "magically" lost buoyancy for an instant to travel beneath the doorways.
Man...something about that bathroom...
Because as she leaves, she creates a draft, or opens and closes doors that create drafts - drafts that can only go through doors and would easily carry a balloon through with them. Sometimes people are so desperate to find something anomalistic, they can't even think straight enough to consider an entirely normal explanation for something.
I don't want to seem rude - but you need to seek help with a psychiatrist, urgently. Being too scared to go into your own damn bathroom is no way to live. I don't doubt for one second that you think you're seing these things. I also don't doubt for one second that none of it's actually real. My boiler makes sounds exactly like slow steady footsteps, in the same way gripping the steering wheel in my car sounds exactly like the ropes holding a boat to a dock creaking under pressure. You hear what you want to hear to confirm the things you want to believe.
For your own sake, you and the others who believe these things to be real, need to seek urgent psychiatric help, as a group, or on an individual basis.
Please listen.
Pray to God about this. This could very well be the devil. Ask God to take this away. Please do this. I am absolutely serious. You will be alright.
Pray to God about this. This could very well be the devil. Ask God to take this away. Please do this. I am absolutely serious. You will be alright.
The problem with your little theory is that there are no doors between the kitchen and living room, there's no door between the living room and hall and there is a door between the hall and bathroom however it's open if it's not occupied and I assume it was open.
The doorways are just visual barriers to separate the rooms.
Listen, 4 people don't go crazy the same way at the same time. I didn't experience anything until I returned home and I didn't hear about any of these happenings until I informed Maude that I had felt something in the house.
Independent conclusions, not something tossed around a camp fire between us all.
Yeah, you like to laugh at us all because you believe it's as simple as a boiler expanding and contracting, but until you've clearly heard the words "stop it" in your ear while home alone or felt something ABSOLUTELY UNEXPLAINABLE crawl into bed with you and vanish before you can look at it, you will never understand that there are such phenomena that can't be explained.
I'm not the only one that has had things crawl into bed with me and hear talking and steps on the carpet from all over the house. 3 weeks ago it seems something has decided to play with us.
Ecoh: LUL, funny you say that, she's the only one not scared $%#*less of going in there, even taking a bath with a flashlight when there's a perfectly good shower in the other part of the house
So...you think I'm crazy?
OK, hearing footsteps, seeing shadows, things being rearranged. These could, in most cases, be mistaken sounds, optical illusions, and absent mindedness, even a mental issue.
However, in my most active house I lived with my mother, three sisters and my brother. ALL of us experienced something and ALL of us know what we saw. As I said before, 2 people don't see the same image in the clouds, it's subjectional, but for all 6 of us to "see" the same "bunny" in the clouds independently...it just doesn't happen.
My younger sister had a remote control Barbie Car, some time around 1996. The car, one day, began going forward, reversing, and going forward repeatedly. We all joked that it was possessed and that it was a demon car, but we knew it was just radio interference, happens all the time with phones and walkie talkies, right?
Problem:
Soon after, we got tired of the thing going nuts under my sister's bed, so my dad (who prefers not to talk about this or the other happenings and was a major skeptic before) removed the batteries.
Problem solved. No poltergeist is going to be possessing that car with their mystic radio controller of doom to write cryptic pagan messages in our carpeting! LUL
But oh no, it didn't stop. My father, who never believed what we said about the car to begin with, was walking through my sister's room to reach her bathroom (or closet, whatever it's not important) and the car drove out from under the bed and into his ankle. Needless to say, it was the first and only time I ever heard him scared #*%&less.
I laughed at him and turned the car over to remove the batteries that my sister must have put back in but was absolutely HORRIFIED when I picked the car up and looked under to find the battery cover gone and the battery compartment empty.
We moved from that house in about 2000. The car never became "possessed" in any of our houses again.
Feel free to pick up a Barbie Radio Control Sports Car (By Mattel!) and visit the rental property in Texas any time it is vacant. PM me for the address.
For reference, our car was blue.
The doorways are just visual barriers to separate the rooms.
Listen, 4 people don't go crazy the same way at the same time. I didn't experience anything until I returned home and I didn't hear about any of these happenings until I informed Maude that I had felt something in the house.
Independent conclusions, not something tossed around a camp fire between us all.
Yeah, you like to laugh at us all because you believe it's as simple as a boiler expanding and contracting, but until you've clearly heard the words "stop it" in your ear while home alone or felt something ABSOLUTELY UNEXPLAINABLE crawl into bed with you and vanish before you can look at it, you will never understand that there are such phenomena that can't be explained.
I'm not the only one that has had things crawl into bed with me and hear talking and steps on the carpet from all over the house. 3 weeks ago it seems something has decided to play with us.
Ecoh: LUL, funny you say that, she's the only one not scared $%#*less of going in there, even taking a bath with a flashlight when there's a perfectly good shower in the other part of the house
So...you think I'm crazy?
OK, hearing footsteps, seeing shadows, things being rearranged. These could, in most cases, be mistaken sounds, optical illusions, and absent mindedness, even a mental issue.
However, in my most active house I lived with my mother, three sisters and my brother. ALL of us experienced something and ALL of us know what we saw. As I said before, 2 people don't see the same image in the clouds, it's subjectional, but for all 6 of us to "see" the same "bunny" in the clouds independently...it just doesn't happen.
My younger sister had a remote control Barbie Car, some time around 1996. The car, one day, began going forward, reversing, and going forward repeatedly. We all joked that it was possessed and that it was a demon car, but we knew it was just radio interference, happens all the time with phones and walkie talkies, right?
Problem:
Soon after, we got tired of the thing going nuts under my sister's bed, so my dad (who prefers not to talk about this or the other happenings and was a major skeptic before) removed the batteries.
Problem solved. No poltergeist is going to be possessing that car with their mystic radio controller of doom to write cryptic pagan messages in our carpeting! LUL
But oh no, it didn't stop. My father, who never believed what we said about the car to begin with, was walking through my sister's room to reach her bathroom (or closet, whatever it's not important) and the car drove out from under the bed and into his ankle. Needless to say, it was the first and only time I ever heard him scared #*%&less.
I laughed at him and turned the car over to remove the batteries that my sister must have put back in but was absolutely HORRIFIED when I picked the car up and looked under to find the battery cover gone and the battery compartment empty.
We moved from that house in about 2000. The car never became "possessed" in any of our houses again.
Feel free to pick up a Barbie Radio Control Sports Car (By Mattel!) and visit the rental property in Texas any time it is vacant. PM me for the address.
For reference, our car was blue.
Quite the contrary, in some cases four people are more likely to go crazy at the same time. They talk one another into things, particularly when it's things they want to believe. Hell, a billion people talk one another into believing one very recent crazy suggestion for what you claim you're experiencing.
I don't think psychiatric care is required, but people who jump straight from "I can't explain this" to "here's an explanation for this and it's scary" have a pretty obvious problem.
I've seen so many people claim to have "seen things" that convince them of something supernatural, but they can never seem to explain it in a way that doesn't need to be followed up by telling me I "just don't understand."
Furthermore, let's assume such a thing does exist: People go on and on about how these things are just terrifying and make them want to avoid rooms or move out of houses or whatnot, but never have I heard of any of these whatever-they-are actually doing whatever it is people are supposed to be terrified of. I don't even know what it is that's supposed to happen if people aren't dutifully scared, because apart from movies, whatever it is never does.
Balloons moving? That's terrifying? Don't be afraid of it and I bet that not only will it not do anything to you, but that it will eventually stop happening altogether.
Ok, so they talked me into feeling a presence in the bathroom...before I heard of any of the happenings? The fact is, I didn't know anything had happened until I inquired about it...that isn't a random coincidence.
Of course we can't explain them! That's what is frightening. The same way solar eclipses and comets used to frighten our ancestors before they had an explanation.
A balloon floating around is not frightening, not being able to explain how it "ducked" below doorways to get into the very room that has been so active is where we start worrying.
Listen, I don't believe there are demons here, I don't believe in the devil or god, but I do believe that there are phenomena that go on in my very homes that I cannot explain with natural science.
If anything, I believe that there are possibly "beings" that can interact with us on a level we have yet to explain, perhaps likely transdimensional.
Imagine a circle on a piece of paper, when suddenly a sphere passes by...how does the circle explain a sphere with the understanding of only two dimensions?
I usually do ignore these things, I mean after about 16 years in so many active houses it really becomes a sort of game. But when something decides to creep around, jump into MY BED and reach into the shower...just let it happen to you ONCE and count the questions that run through your head.
Of course we can't explain them! That's what is frightening. The same way solar eclipses and comets used to frighten our ancestors before they had an explanation.
A balloon floating around is not frightening, not being able to explain how it "ducked" below doorways to get into the very room that has been so active is where we start worrying.
Listen, I don't believe there are demons here, I don't believe in the devil or god, but I do believe that there are phenomena that go on in my very homes that I cannot explain with natural science.
If anything, I believe that there are possibly "beings" that can interact with us on a level we have yet to explain, perhaps likely transdimensional.
Imagine a circle on a piece of paper, when suddenly a sphere passes by...how does the circle explain a sphere with the understanding of only two dimensions?
I usually do ignore these things, I mean after about 16 years in so many active houses it really becomes a sort of game. But when something decides to creep around, jump into MY BED and reach into the shower...just let it happen to you ONCE and count the questions that run through your head.
Why jump to "beings"? Assuming agency is a pretty big leap for something you can't explain.
The problem comes up when one of those circles starts spouting off about his theory of what he's seen. Even given the existence of something completely outside circle experience, anything the circle is likely to come up with is almost certain to be completely wrongheaded, specifically because he is dealing with something he knows nothing about and he doesn't have the necessary perspective to infer to the correct explanation. So he's seen traces of a perfectly normal sphere, but he's busy talking in a spooky voice about ghost circles that grow from a point and then vanish back into a point.
Only you haven't really eliminated all the ways that what you've observed might not have been "outside human experience."
I do certainly agree that this kind of thing is a sort of game.
"Will it leave satisfied?"
Hell, that's not even a question. Sadly for them, my not believing in them seems to deprive them of the opportunity.
+1 big vote. The OP deserves to live a happy and productive life. The help is available. One simply needs to ask for it. The fact that as the OP claims, there are several individuals involved there, makes this more interesting. I am not sure whether this is some type of a group-think situation, or there is something else happening there. It is my hope that OP indeed listens to your advice and seeks a competent psychiatric help.
But seriously, why do you have to attack me for describing my experiences? Calm down, nobody is forcing you to believe any of this.
The FACT is, that I cannot explain what has happened in this house within normal science and understanding. I'm sorry but how does a person sneak into a locked bathroom and vanish without a trace? Are you telling me somebody snuck into the house, into the bathroom and didn't make any sound or leave any clues of their being there other than scaring the shirt out of my roommate?
Explain this with your "human experience" how something seemingly the size of a small dog can leap into bed, and vanish upon landing...go ahead...tell me what is leaping around my room without any possible entry point for something so large and without making any sound or leaving any hair or other traces...wow...it seems most of us CAN'T eliminate all the ways that what it is is within "human experience."
Don't criticize me for theorizing. YOU, just like all of us, theorize about the next Apple release. Since when is theorizing a crime?! I clearly stated I don't know what it is and stated my theory, get off my back and find someone else to pick on.
I dont' exaggerate, as you seem to assume. I am a person that is HIGHLY skeptical about EVERYTHING (I'm a salesman, I have to be) and ignore claims that do not have scientific basis. But live one day experiencing what I experience now in this house and let the frantic wunnabe explanations begin.
I'm the type of person that names the way special effects are done when I watch movies and explain tapes of "UFO's" away with very intricate methods behind them in most cases. I can figure a reason behind almost everything people call supernatural, but no matter how I examine these occurrences I can NOT draw a reasonable conclusion.
Also, remember that most of these experiences were shared with me and I have no involvement in or witness to them. The only experiences I've had are, namely, the feeling of a small animal jumping into my bed and vanishing, MANY very DISTINCT human voices (unmistakeable, you wouldn't be so skeptical if you heard them yourself), the sounds of doors trying to be forced open and footsteps outside my door, all of which whilst home alone.
I'm not here claiming something is out to get me in some paranoid freak out or breaking out the ouija board to ask how Elvis is doing. However, the sounds that I heard last night were so real and DISTINCTLY human voices that I honestly believed somebody was trying to force their way into my home. You can laugh all you want, but on my name I swear to you that I know of seemingly ordinary homes wherein you will experience things that you could NEVER explain with your "infallible logic" but laugh as you try.
As for the people interested in updates, I'm still recording and reviewing tapes each night and will immediately post anything extraordinary.
The FACT is, that I cannot explain what has happened in this house within normal science and understanding. I'm sorry but how does a person sneak into a locked bathroom and vanish without a trace? Are you telling me somebody snuck into the house, into the bathroom and didn't make any sound or leave any clues of their being there other than scaring the shirt out of my roommate?
Explain this with your "human experience" how something seemingly the size of a small dog can leap into bed, and vanish upon landing...go ahead...tell me what is leaping around my room without any possible entry point for something so large and without making any sound or leaving any hair or other traces...wow...it seems most of us CAN'T eliminate all the ways that what it is is within "human experience."
Don't criticize me for theorizing. YOU, just like all of us, theorize about the next Apple release. Since when is theorizing a crime?! I clearly stated I don't know what it is and stated my theory, get off my back and find someone else to pick on.
I dont' exaggerate, as you seem to assume. I am a person that is HIGHLY skeptical about EVERYTHING (I'm a salesman, I have to be) and ignore claims that do not have scientific basis. But live one day experiencing what I experience now in this house and let the frantic wunnabe explanations begin.
I'm the type of person that names the way special effects are done when I watch movies and explain tapes of "UFO's" away with very intricate methods behind them in most cases. I can figure a reason behind almost everything people call supernatural, but no matter how I examine these occurrences I can NOT draw a reasonable conclusion.
Also, remember that most of these experiences were shared with me and I have no involvement in or witness to them. The only experiences I've had are, namely, the feeling of a small animal jumping into my bed and vanishing, MANY very DISTINCT human voices (unmistakeable, you wouldn't be so skeptical if you heard them yourself), the sounds of doors trying to be forced open and footsteps outside my door, all of which whilst home alone.
I'm not here claiming something is out to get me in some paranoid freak out or breaking out the ouija board to ask how Elvis is doing. However, the sounds that I heard last night were so real and DISTINCTLY human voices that I honestly believed somebody was trying to force their way into my home. You can laugh all you want, but on my name I swear to you that I know of seemingly ordinary homes wherein you will experience things that you could NEVER explain with your "infallible logic" but laugh as you try.
As for the people interested in updates, I'm still recording and reviewing tapes each night and will immediately post anything extraordinary.
The OP is telling his experience. I find it interesting that several of the responses suggest/support psychiatric help. There may be a rational explanation the precludes spirits, but unless you are there to confirm I don't think suggesting the OP has mental problems is all that helpful. I'd call in Ghost Hunters, before I sent them to the Dr's office.
It's not ghosts, it's phenomena. I don't believe in the spirits of people trying to spook people. I do, however, know what I'm experiencing and am having a difficult time using natural science to explain them.
I'm not claiming that what I'm experiencing is this or that, I did state my theory but I honestly know nothing about what is causing the happenings in my house. They're simply a mystery and I'm simply explaining the events from my point of view.
I'm not claiming that what I'm experiencing is this or that, I did state my theory but I honestly know nothing about what is causing the happenings in my house. They're simply a mystery and I'm simply explaining the events from my point of view.
The psychological phenomenon has been documented in history we call it the Salem Witch Trials that was an obvious case of drug induced (at least on the part of the first accusers and the whole situation snowballed from there) mass hysteria. There was also an interesting historical incident known as St. Vitus Dance where crowds of people just started dancing for no particular reason in a town in Europe around the end of the middle ages.
Mob mentality is a theory of course, but the theory has some validity. There is a modern term for it thanks to a now deceased respected professor in Biochemistry Isaac Asimov and his articulate writing calling it "psychohistory" which seems to be more accurate the larger the group sampled concerning predictability of how large groups of people are likely to act when influenced. of course the theory of psychohistory applies best to groups in the billions and is considered analogous to how matter in the gaseous state acts in nature.
Mob mentality is a theory of course, but the theory has some validity. There is a modern term for it thanks to a now deceased respected professor in Biochemistry Isaac Asimov and his articulate writing calling it "psychohistory" which seems to be more accurate the larger the group sampled concerning predictability of how large groups of people are likely to act when influenced. of course the theory of psychohistory applies best to groups in the billions and is considered analogous to how matter in the gaseous state acts in nature.
I understand this theory, not my first time reading up on such things.
However, how does that explain my inquiring to Maude before anybody said anything about the occurrences to me? It would have been impossible for them to put such thoughts in my mind before I had those feelings.
However, how does that explain my inquiring to Maude before anybody said anything about the occurrences to me? It would have been impossible for them to put such thoughts in my mind before I had those feelings.
Funny. We must have different editions. Mine lists them as Grand Marnier and Drambuie.
Different taverns carry different editions and different recipes for the "magical potions" sometimes LOL
Mr Cheeto, or may I call you Chester Cheeta? The problem with the thing may not be anything said, we are animals after all--animals do not necessarily need to "speak" for others of their kind to pick up on some sort of emotional, or chemical signal. Some sort of gesture among the group may have went unnoticed or some sort of scent one of you gave off that subconciously triggered the reaction. Our bodies are rife with chemical signals we ignore, our most subtle movements betray us--we are not that far evolved to dismiss these things.
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Perhaps, it makes some sort of sense. But how does that explain the "being" physically jumping into each of our individual beds?
Biofeedback and nervous reactions might apply to certain sensations felt. Those goosebumps the hair standing on end on your arms the spiders crawling around behind the eyeballs which force you to pierce them with a pair of knittling needles etc. all apply
I am calm, and nothing I have written can be reasonably interpreted as an attack on you. You know, unlike your first line above.
But you know it's "spirits." That's a definite explanation.
I'm not picking on you. I don't know you. On the subject of the next Apple release, to the limited extent I do "theorize" about them, we all know that there is definitely a company called Apple, and this company releases products, and those products have features which are drawn from a set of technologies that are known to exist.
If I insisted that I have a feeling Apple is about to release an ectoplasmically powered iMagicWand that produces a polyphasic personal force field, you'd be well reasonable to criticize the assumptions on which I based that conclusion.
I never used the word exaggerate, though your skepticism is highly in doubt. Neither have I offered an explanation, "wunnabe" or otherwise.
So because you cannot draw a reasonable conclusion you feel the need to draw an unreasonable conclusion?
There are plenty of things in the world I cannot explain. I don't explain them.
Okay, if you want "wunnabe" explanations, anything people say they experienced while in bed is automatically highly suspect. Hypnagogic hallucination is incredibly common. Hearing stories from others can easily prime you to certain kinds of experiences.
Regarding voices, I am certainly not skeptical that you heard some, but there are no small number of things that can produce distinct human voices, naturally starting with humans, and going through a great catalog before you ever get around to opening the DSM, and all of these are far more likely than the idea that there are intelligent insubstantial beings of whatever provenance walking around select houses and apparently frightening only people who happen to believe in them for no obvious reason.
It's certainly not like I've never heard weird sounds, voices included, for which I didn't have an immediate explanation. Usually if I look I can find one. Sometimes I can't. When I can't, I assume a failure on my part before I assume I have experienced something magical.
And yet I'm somehow the arrogant one.
How come I have to be assuming you're a gibbering crazy person who believes everything simply because I'm not convinced you are being sufficiently rigorous about the things you've actually claimed? I mean, okay, now you're exaggerating, but only about me.
I've been in those homes. It doesn't even take logic, infallable or otherwise (a claim I've never made, by the way). These things don't happen to people who don't believe in them. Some people feel a ghost walk by; I feel a draft and put a towel on the windowsill. You don't have to reason it away. The assumption makes the experience to begin with.
Knock yourself out, but you've got to admit, if it turns out your roommate is just sick of you leaving the seat up, it'll be pretty funny.