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My iPhone 3g water damage replacement story
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These water damage stories are such gems to read. I love all the self righteous replies.
Funny thing is people really do believe this kind of stuff is going to hurt Apple, and by extension, Hurt them somehow. Sorry to break it to you but Apple isn't hurting for Money. There products are overpriced to begin with and they nickel and dime you with accessories, etc. Congrats to the OP for not having to give Apple more of your money.
Funny thing is people really do believe this kind of stuff is going to hurt Apple, and by extension, Hurt them somehow. Sorry to break it to you but Apple isn't hurting for Money. There products are overpriced to begin with and they nickel and dime you with accessories, etc. Congrats to the OP for not having to give Apple more of your money.
You really don't get it. It's not SELF righteous. It's righteous. It's called taking responsibility for one's own actions and doing the right thing. And it's possible that us responders aren't concerned that this will somehow hurt us by hurting Apple, but, rather, we just want to see the right thing done.
What's the difference between stealing from Apple in this way and justifying it (they overcharge!) and opening an unlocked car and stealing the change from the ashtray? (they should have locked the doors!) Absolutely no difference.
Get a moral compass.
Yes, Random Forum person, I'll get right on that. Thank you for showing me the error or my ways.
I see. So there's something wrong with a discussion of morality, but no problem with other people declaring us self-righteous. Whatever.
We don't live in the black and white world you think we do, sorry to break it to you. You probably think you have me pegged don't you? Not even close.
Yes, I will happily admit I'll gladly do whatever I can to not have to spend 2-300 dollars to replace a cell phone. However I'd never ever go into someone's car to take change from the ashtray, even if the door to the car was WIDE open and a neon sign said "Help yourself."
I'd never steal a car. Or shoplift. I'd never take money out of someone's wallet they left in the open even if I had every chance to.
Like I said, not as black and white as you may think. My moral compass is fine by me and that's all that really matters.
Yes, I will happily admit I'll gladly do whatever I can to not have to spend 2-300 dollars to replace a cell phone. However I'd never ever go into someone's car to take change from the ashtray, even if the door to the car was WIDE open and a neon sign said "Help yourself."
I'd never steal a car. Or shoplift. I'd never take money out of someone's wallet they left in the open even if I had every chance to.
Like I said, not as black and white as you may think. My moral compass is fine by me and that's all that really matters.
Your argument is fallacious. You argue that the fact that you somehow distinguish between stealing from Apple and stealing from my car means that there is some distinction between the two, and therefore there must be different levels of thievery, some of which are justifiable, and things aren't "black and white."
I argue that the fact that you distinguish between the two doesn't mean there is a basis for doing so, and the fact that you haven't stated a justifiable basis for distinguishing the two is probably evidence of that (though, of course, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence).
You distinguish between the two because you want to justify yourself, not because there is a justification for such distinguishing. You confuse cause and effect.
Not for nothing - but to interject here - moral compasses, by definition are not judged by oneself but against society. So saying that your moral compass is fine by me might be YOUR acceptance of how you act. But that's not all that really matters in the non black-and-white world you speak of. If your premise was accurate, we WOULD live in a black and white world. You say your moral compass is fine and that's all that matters- that's black and white. You're free to think that way too since you ultimately have to live with yourself.
But as far as mattering - that's debatable.
I don't wish to continue but I stand by what I said. I'm not losing sleep at night with how I am. However that is you seem to claim I am, anyway. I'm glad the OP got a replacement, as was I when I was able to get away with returning a water tripped sensor phone a few weeks ago.
In any case, you wont ever make me or anyone see your point on a forum. It's like trying to change someone's religion based on a forum post. Ain't going to happen. We are what we are.
In any case, you wont ever make me or anyone see your point on a forum. It's like trying to change someone's religion based on a forum post. Ain't going to happen. We are what we are.
Ah, samcraig. Easily my favorite poster when it comes to these threads. Usually about water damage phone it seems. We all know your views on the subject.
You would never defraud precious Apple. If you dropped your phone in water you'd replace it.
Good for you!
Ad nauseum.
You would never defraud precious Apple. If you dropped your phone in water you'd replace it.
Good for you!
Ad nauseum.
As one of these "forum people" you are referring to: I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU! So many people on these forums (especially this one) are so damn self-righteous, it's nauseating...
I remember, a while back, someone posted a question: "do they check your credit when you buy an iPhone?" or maybe it was "what credit score do you need to have to qualify for an iPhone?"
Within 15 minutes, there were a dozen posts lecturing the OP on good financial/credit practices and telling him that if he is worried about his credit score, he shouldn't be buying an iPhone. This, of course, was inevitably followed by a self-aggrandizing story about how the poster used to have bad credit, but worked hard to get himself out of debt, and is now a financially responsible productive member of society. The amazing thing - NOT ONE PERSON ACTUALLY ANSWERED HIS DAMN QUESTION!!!
That's just one example of many.
It's sickening. You people know who you are...
Great post, good story. Really shows how people are on this particular forum that no one even answered the guys question. They just saw a new person to attack. Of all the forums I've been on, this one does seem to have a particularly "bad" bunch for whatever reason.
When people keep spouting words like thievery and morals and all that, they don't really believe that crap. Quite often they just wish they could get away with such things too. Perhaps they tried to exchange a phone because it had a hairline crack but Apple wouldn't do it. Then another person sails in and gets a free replacement on a water damaged phone. Perhaps it's not that someone got away with being dishonest, it's that you weren't able to do so as well?
Here is a story (short version) that I'm sure will get your panties in a bunch and I fully admit I'm partially going to post it just to see the reaction from it.
Few years back when the first iPhone was new, my then fiancee when to Palm Springs for her little bachelorette party. Upon arriving at the hotel they made last minute room changes to get 2 connecting rooms. In one of the new rooms was a gift bag, clearly not meant for them. In it was a brand new iPhone, when they still costed $600 for a 8 gig. They did not turn the phone in. If someone would of came to claim it, they would of done so, but they did not openly try and return it. So when she got back, she had a gift for me that I have enjoyed for the last 2 years. What's more is I've replaced the phone like 4 times via apple due to various (and honest) hardware issues. So an initially found iPhone I've gotten like 4 out of. Back during this time, I wouldn't of bought an iPhone, it was too expensive and missing too many features I wanted. But I sure enjoyed having one for free! That being said, the 3GS finally has become the iPhone I always wanted and I did happily buy it and I do admit it's one of my most favorite gadgets I own.
But anyway regarding my story. How many will now spew about how that was basically stealing and dishonest and how many deep down only wish it had been them who found a phone like that? Let's not pretend our compass points north when we have not had a true temptation to test it.
Here's the thing.
If you're going to be a jacka$$ - just be a jacka$$. Embrace it and own up to it.
What that means here is - if you're going to steal from Apple - then do it and say "Yes. I'm a thief."
But turning the argument around and saying that others are self-righteous because they understand the fundamentals of ethics is a cop-out. Period.
YOU people know who YOU are.
If you're going to be a jacka$$ - just be a jacka$$. Embrace it and own up to it.
What that means here is - if you're going to steal from Apple - then do it and say "Yes. I'm a thief."
But turning the argument around and saying that others are self-righteous because they understand the fundamentals of ethics is a cop-out. Period.
YOU people know who YOU are.
Um, ok HERE is the thing. This is supposed to be a forum about sharing common wisdom about tech products, so that collectively, we can HELP each other with various TECH-related issues. This is NOT a forum for displaying your moral outrage.
So, it would be inappropriate for a poster to claim he/she is a thief, and it would also be inappropriate for another person to express moral outrage at that poster. If you ARE morally outraged, that is completely fine. The best way to deal with that? Don't post about it, and move on to a different thread. If you're going to post, post something helpful. If everyone just followed that basic rule of decency, this place would be a lot more pleasant.
Edit: In thinking about it, I would say the purpose of the forum is also for tech-enthusiasts to share their enthusiasm with other enthusiasts, and to share their complaints about various things. It's not JUST for getting and sharing information, but this does not in any way change the fundamental point of my post.
Yeah. Good luck. You must be new to message boards or live in a fantasy world because that's not how it works. You can't post and then dictate the terms of which people can or can't reply. If you post, you open yourself up to the good AND bad. And if you can't stand the criticism - perhaps the person posting SHOULDN'T post. Get thicker skin and stop taking message board so seriously if it's going to do nothing but make you defensive or miserable.
And if YOU or anyone doesn't like my opinion or posts - you're free to respond, not response, flame or otherwise. I would never tell YOU what YOU should do. mkay?
I find it laughable how people try to question people's morality by trying to 'scam' apple. Apple does many things to scam its customers... Get over it, and yourselves.
did they trip the water sensor on your lollipop? If so - I say you DEMAND a full replacement!
Unfortunately, you are quite right that this is not "how it works."
I'm not telling you what you can or cannot post. I'm just telling you what these forums were INTENDED to be for (in my opinion, admittedly). People can post whatever the hell they want, I'm just arguing that these forums would be much more pleasant to read, if people kept their moralizing to themselves. Believe me, there are very few people who care to read about your moral outrage.
Just out of curiosity, what do YOU think about the post I referenced about, where the guy was inquiring about credit scores? Do YOU think the responses, as I've characterized them, were appropriate?
Nope.
But there's a difference between moralizing about someone's ability to pay (which falls into the "none of my business" category), and moralizing about someone explaining how to, and encouraging people to, lie about and hide damage to their phone so as to circumvent the warrantee policy.
I do love how you smarta$$es stick together. Just keep on thining you're so righteous.
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