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Anything against having GG on the front and back?

When I accidentally doublepost I combine my posts and put ... in the second reply as a nod to the rules and an apology to the mods. If I could delete it I would.
That being said...

No one has confirmed that Apple's front reinforced glass is any weaker than GG, but regardless, I would prefer to have either glass on both the front and back as opposed to just the front.
 
WTF! They are making you pay for a replacement?

Dude, seriously. Write an email to sjobs@apple.com that you were surprised at how easily it shattered and paying for a replacement for something you had only for a few days is ridiculous. I wrote him 2 years ago after my order got delayed a week due to some shipping issues and I received a call from cupertino and they offered me 100€ compensation for my troubles..

Tried it all to no avail. Apple took back the first few as samples so they can analyse the damage but now they seem to be saying no to everyone from what I have heard.
 
The glass is strong but the stronger it's made the more brittle. There is no glass that is super strong, super thin, and not brittle.

They mention it is stronger - and it is. But it's stronger by being harder.

Strength and Toughness are 2 entirely different things...

Rather, Toughness is but one type of strength - and not the type they are advertising.

Hardness is also a strength - but the harder something is, the more brittle it can be (glass, even steel as you mention, does this)

Dropped* sometimes autocorrect is so awful. :p

Eh, the other day I realized I had a calendar event on my iPhone for "Check on status of Autopsy at bank".

It didn't recognize Autopay.
 
They mention it is stronger - and it is. But it's stronger by being harder.



Rather, Toughness is but one type of strength - and not the type they are advertising.

Hardness is also a strength - but the harder something is, the more brittle it can be (glass, even steel as you mention, does this)

Not entirely true. In engineering, Strength is used to indicate the amount of load that can be applied to a specimen before it starts to deform plastically (yield strength) and before it fails (ultimate tensile strength). Hardness is a measure of a materials resistance to penetration under load by a diamond. Toughness is a materials ability to withstand crack propagation. Stiffness is most similar to strength in that it gives resistance to bending.

I think a lot of these complaints about Apple's "false claims" stems from the confusion a lot of people have about what strength, hardness, toughness and stiffness actually mean.
 
I am really reluctant in getting a case since I always feel as though a phone should be design to be able survive a human size fall. I probably dropped my iPhone 2g I believe on concrete about two times and survived with minor scratches.

The thing that does concern me is that I've dropped my iPhone 2g from my lap and desk countless times in my house onto carpet. Especially from my desk when syncing would constantly fall vertically right onto my carpet. So does one one think the new iPhone 4 design can at least survive a vertical drop from a desk onto thick carpet? Finally how much does it cost to replace the glass? I thought it only cost $100 to replace the screen/glass with previous generations?
 
This is BS. The unibody Macbook is one of the best and most gorgeous laptops ever made, and it is built like a freakin' tank. Same with the original iPhone. Same with the iMac. Same with the new Macmini, Same with the Mac Pro. Industrial design isn't just about making something look nice. It is about what materials to use, how durable they are, how you make them, efficient use of volume...etc.

It seems though that there are some issues with this iPhone due to its rather very radical design. I have yet to own an iPhone 4 though, so I will reserve judgment till I get one. The forums are made to help people, so most people with negative experience are the ones that will be posting which sometimes make some problems seem bigger than they really are.

Have you ever heard of such thing as a protective skin for a tank? Am I wrong that MBP is the only laptop on the market for which such a thing exists? I wonder why.
 
What is it that you don't understand?

This is a mobile phone. Whether it is made of ceramic or bullet proof glass doesn't and shouldn't matter to the end user. A mobile phone should be designed in a way to withstand a normal (casual) fall. Dropping a mobile phone ISN'T UNUSUAL. When you design one, you must take this into account and yes, your phone must withstand such a fall. It being made of glass is completely irrelevant.

Going all it-is-made-of-glass-what-were-you-expecting or buy-a-bumper completely misses the point. The question should be directed at Apple instead. Why would they put glass in the phone that shatters so easily?

Maybe some people want a better looking device and they don't go around flinging it all over the place.

For clumsy gits who have 10 butterfingers, they can buy some cheap plastic phone that doesn't break even if steamrolled.

For those of us who can treat something valuable and nice in a way to it is worthy, well they don't have to worry about it.

For people who think they should just be able to chuck something around because it is a cell phone, well you don't deserve a nice cell phone.
 
Have you ever heard of such thing as a protective skin for a tank? Am I wrong that MBP is the only laptop on the market for which such a thing exists? I wonder why.

lilo777, I think price and production numbers probably have a bit more to do with that mystery.



Now getting back to the topic at hand, the "problem" as I see it is that regular people a) see the Apple marketing shnazz about 30X stronger than plastic, b) see that the phone is glass front and back, and figure c) "it will be no big deal to carry this pretty thing naked."

And that turns out to be a big mistake.

Now for the discussion here of these forums, let us keep in mind that we are probably more informed about these issues and arguments than 90% of the general public. For one of us to drop a naked iPhone 4 onto concrete TODAY and claim "Apple should have made it better" is kinda goofy IMHO. Don't you read these boards?

Therefore, I think Apple should freely repair/replace all iPhone 4's dropped and broken in the first month for those of the general public.

Proven members of web forums like this one are limited to 3 (three) days after product introduction.
 
Or maybe because MBP buyer pay through the nose even when they can not afford it and then try to protect their "investment" (their term, not mine) in order to recoup the money.

I can't speak for anyone who buys an expensive anything they can't afford, but mine was in a speck case. Mainly because I don't want to beat it up. Yes I want to recoup my investment, but that's because I'm smart.
 
Maybe some people want a better looking device and they don't go around flinging it all over the place.

For clumsy gits who have 10 butterfingers, they can buy some cheap plastic phone that doesn't break even if steamrolled.

For those of us who can treat something valuable and nice in a way to it is worthy, well they don't have to worry about it.

For people who think they should just be able to chuck something around because it is a cell phone, well you don't deserve a nice cell phone.

Stop judging people. Just because someone drops a cell phone doesn't mean he/she is careless or "doesn't deserve" a mobile phone? Who are you to say what people deserve or don't deserve anyway?

Watch all Johnny Ive's videos (or watch Objectified) so you can hear what industrial design is about. When you develop a product, whatever it is, there are reasonable assumptions you make about how and where the device will be used. Why do you think Apple cares about making the iPhone out of steel or aluminum? Why thinner? Why pocket sized? Why make the screen scratch resistant? A cell phone being dropped IS a reasonable assumption. And A good product is supposed to fit into your life style, not you to it. I mean, if you really want to protect it...you know...leave it at home.


Now getting back to the topic at hand, the "problem" as I see it is that regular people a) see the Apple marketing shnazz about 30X stronger than plastic, b) see that the phone is glass front and back, and figure c) "it will be no big deal to carry this pretty thing naked."

a) The "regular" people don't watch anything. They see an ad on the street or see an iPhone with a friend.
b) Regular people don't know what materials products are made of
c) And they certainly don't make any of these assumptions

A product is a product. If you make it in X form, then you should assume your customers will use it in X form.
 
i remember having an old nokia that i dropped once and it shattered, and also a samsung about a decade later that broke the 2nd time i dropped it..

moral of the story is don't drop **** or don't use it in a situation where you are trying to balance 300 things and could cause you to drop it (or any of the things)

how do you drop it? do just let go while you are holding it? why does this happen?

you've probably never accidentally dropped your laptop, and it's a mobile device..
 
I usually don't say bad things about other people, but to everyone saying they baby their phone and don't drop it because they're more responsible than those who have dropped it...

ACCIDENTS HAPPEN. And I can't wait until yours shatters.
 
i have shattered my iphone 4 back and it broke into 2 pieces. the front is perfect thought. the battery ripped out. i know it 100% my fault but will apple replace it for me? is there a way i can pay $200 or $400 to get a new iphone 4 instead of paying $600? i have heard apple replacing the broken iphone 4 to some customers. i wonder if any of you guys have that experience?
 
The problem is that you're only seeing the people who dropped it and broke it. That's because no one who drops it and doesn't break it comes on here and starts a thread about it. It's a biased sample. There are 2million+ iPhone 4s out there right now. For all you know, there could be thousands of severe drops that survived perfectly well. But those unlucky few whose phone lands just perfectly on the corner take a whole bunch of pictures and complain about it for days.

finally a pragmatic response! :thumbsup:
 
If it's so important, learn to put a real case on it that will protect the back, duh. Stop thinking about your cool-points for like 5 seconds and find a case that actually keeps you from having to buy a new phone part every time your buttery fingers decide to drop the damn thing. Nobody cares that you have an iPhone 4. 2 million other people do, too. Now put a real case on it.

And if you won't do that or stop dropping it, it's no one's fault but yours. They shouldn't offer accident insurance because people aren't careful enough.
 
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