My real world experience with TSMC vs Samsung

[Max(IT)]

Its funny reading all the comments in this thread. If your phone works great and have no issues then which chip it has makes no difference.

But to those that are complaining about the Samsung chip......
Why does Apple quality control get a pass? Surely this was tested way before mass production. Apple has a huge department called Quality Control that tests all these scenarios out before going into mass production.

Then as part of any quality control/assurance process they randomly check production lines pull iphones and test them again.

So if there is a difference between the two chips....Apple knew about it before mass production.

too much common sense mate... this is MacRumors after all. If you don't rise the hysteria threatening multiple returns you don't belong to this forum

Well. They may know that. But what if they release the real difference in understandable statements rather than the 2-3% difference announcement yet many YouTube videos show some 1.5 hours difference regarding to different chips?

I mean, perhaps their test scenarios are way too far from many real world usage patterns. But they should realise the difference in certain areas. Well, let me do a simple math. Assume the time an iPhone 6s Plus could last in a usage pattern is 10 hours, or 600 minutes. Then 2% of such would be 12 minutes. Yes, subtle difference and we can accept.

But, as videos may imply, there are possibilities that those two A9 chips have different battery consumption control capabilities. And such would be hard to discover in a controlled lab environment.

the point is: nobody so far had done a controlled serious test.
Only Apple has the capability to actually analyze statistically acceptable data... and they said the difference , if any, is within 2-3%.

 

[Shirasaki]

too much common sense mate... this is MacRumors after all. If you don't rise the hysteria threatening multiple returns you don't belong to this forum


the point is: nobody so far had done a controlled serious test.
Only Apple has the capability to actually analyze statistically acceptable data... and they said the difference , if any, is within 2-3%.

Ok. Time will tell us more.

 

[evorc]

Never shut the OCD crowd. Years of why don't we have 2 meg ram.. Now the chips are not the same. And on it goes.....just enjoy a great phone, nah, let's find something to blame Apple for.

It's never ending, isn't it.

http://www.wired.com/2015/10/iphone-6s-a9-battery-life/

Get over it. Save yourself from embarrassment.

 

[roeiz]

Only Apple has the capability to actually analyze statistically acceptable data... and they said the difference , if any, is within 2-3%.

i think it's pretty much obvious Apple DID these tests, found the critical results, and decided to take a PR risk, to which they've released the 2-3% statement in "real world" to cover their a$$.
no way in hell they didn't know power users will probably be cut short of 20% battery.
that's the pisser.

 

[CraigGB]

It's never ending, isn't it.

only on these forums have I seen people spend so much money on something and then they are determined to not be happy with it, analysing every detail under an industrial light, squeezing their phone, shaking it, performing all kinds of tests, the home button can be too clicky, or maybe it isn't clicky enough, the mute switch might not be smooth enough. over the years I've seen people complain about nearly anything and everything

I would be happy just to have my phone but instead it's travelling all around the world it seems

 

[evorc]

only on these forums have I seen people spend so much money on something and then they are determined to not be happy with it, analysing every detail under an industrial light, squeezing their phone, shaking it, performing all kinds of tests, the home button can be too clicky, or maybe it isn't clicky enough, the mute switch might not be smooth enough. over the years I've seen people complain about nearly anything and everything

I would be happy just to have my phone but instead it's travelling all around the world it seems

Obsession for perfection.

 

[roeiz]

only on these forums have I seen people spend so much money on something and then they are determined to not be happy with it, analysing every detail under an industrial light, squeezing their phone, shaking it, performing all kinds of tests, the home button can be too clicky, or maybe it isn't clicky enough, the mute switch might not be smooth enough. over the years I've seen people complain about nearly anything and everything

I would be happy just to have my phone but instead it's travelling all around the world it seems

maybe that's a good enough reason to get the same phone as the other guy who paid the same.. no?

 

[CraigGB]

maybe that's a good enough reason to get the same phone as the other guy who paid the same.. no?

everyone who preordered bought a phone expecting one that would meet Apples advertised specs, if they all had Samsung chips then no one would be moaning, instead now people are having breakdowns because the phone is only as good as was advertised and not better. even the TSMC chips are different to each other, you won't get the same phone as someone else no matter which chip you get, yours could have a TSMC chip that could be at least up to 10% different to another TSMC chip and then you factor in all the other components in the phone which might differ.

not to mention at least a couple of other people have reporting getting a Samsung replacement that performed better then their previous TSMC phone and all this fuss is over a benchmark which has the Galaxy S6 near the top of the charts, a phone that in real world usage is pretty poor in respect to battery life.

it's so early to jump to any kind of conclusion when I'm sure the big tech sites will be testing this to see if Apple's statement is true or not.

 

[Max(IT)]

Ok. Time will tell us more.

Im waiting for some serious test

i think it's pretty much obvious Apple DID these tests, found the critical results, and decided to take a PR risk, to which they've released the 2-3% statement in "real world" to cover their a$$.
no way in hell they didn't know power users will probably be cut short of 20% battery.
that's the pisser.

the 20% figure could be just BS....

only on these forums have I seen people spend so much money on something and then they are determined to not be happy with it, analysing every detail under an industrial light, squeezing their phone, shaking it, performing all kinds of tests, the home button can be too clicky, or maybe it isn't clicky enough, the mute switch might not be smooth enough. over the years I've seen people complain about nearly anything and everything

I would be happy just to have my phone but instead it's travelling all around the world it seems

this forum always amaze me...

Obsession for perfection.

Obsession.
Period.

everyone who preordered bought a phone expecting one that would meet Apples advertised specs, if they all had Samsung chips then no one would be moaning, instead now people are having breakdowns because the phone is only as good as was advertised and not better. even the TSMC chips are different to each other, you won't get the same phone as someone else no matter which chip you get, yours could have a TSMC chip that could be at least up to 10% different to another TSMC chip and then you factor in all the other components in the phone which might differ.

not to mention at least a couple of other people have reporting getting a Samsung replacement that performed better then their previous TSMC phone and all this fuss is over a benchmark which has the Galaxy S6 near the top of the charts, a phone that in real world usage is pretty poor in respect to battery life.

it's so early to jump to any kind of conclusion when I'm sure the big tech sites will be testing this to see if Apple's statement is true or not.

it is funny to read the posts from the first days the two versions of A9 was discovered.
All the people here went crazy about having a Samsung A9 because "14nm is better than 16nm".
As I said, MacRumors is amazing ....

 

[roeiz]

it's so early to jump to any kind of conclusion when I'm sure the big tech sites will be testing this to see if Apple's statement is true or not.

that's true. the statistics are not done yet.
but
i'm just saying that if a power user will have 15% less battery than another guy who payed the same price,
that's simply unfair by all meanings.

anyway, i wish someone will find something that will turn the table and make the Samsung chip better...
that would be hysterical.

 

[CraigGB]

it is funny to read the posts from the first days the two versions of A9 was discovered.
All the people here went crazy about having a Samsung A9 because "14nm is better than 16nm".
As I said, MacRumors is amazing ....

haha yeah I remember that, the TSMC chip was being blamed for everything on release, overheating, freezing and reboots

that's true. the statistics are not done yet.
but
i'm just saying that if a power user will have 15% less battery than another guy who payed the same price,
that's simply unfair by all meanings.

oh I agree, if there is a large difference in real world use then that's bad form, especially from a company who charge hundreds of pounds more for a slightly faster CPU in a Mac. I was aiming my comment more at the people who are starting arguments with others who refuse to join the hysteria when there is no solid evidence yet and it's still early, there is plenty of time for people to do proper tests and I'm sure they will with the attention this kind of thing gets and then hopefully they can clear up what the situation is. the early indications are that there is no bad chip, there might be a better one but I can't see Apple getting in trouble for having a product that only performs as advertised.

 

[Max(IT)]

that's true. the statistics are not done yet.
but
i'm just saying that if a power user will have 15% less battery than another guy who payed the same price,
that's simply unfair by all meanings.

anyway, i wish someone will find something that will turn the table and make the Samsung chip better...
that would be hysterical.

the term "power user" to me means nothing.
I constantly see people here whining about 1 Gb of ram because they are "power users" and the only thing they basically do is browsing the web (thus 1 Gb of ram isn't satisfactory because they can't keep 10 tabs opened without reloads ...), while in my organization we use iPads 4 (1 Gb of ram) to manage gears worth 20 millions dollars each ...

Said that, if a difference of 15-20% in battery life will be confirmed, I agree that people are entitled to return the Samsung A9 powered iPhone. Im waiting to see what will happen

 

[iAstonish]

On my 6 plus I always considered 10% battery drain per an hour of usage sort of the gold standard. So ten hours of usage, which is very high compared to most flagship phones currently on the market. I don't notice much of a difference between my 6 plus and 6s plus in terms of battery life to be honest and I have the Samsung chip. That said I raved about my 6 plus battery coming from android and was amazed at how long it lasts, so The fact that my phone is matching it means it's solid in my opinion. I have a Samsung chip as well.

I really wish people would stop calling it "the bad chip" because it seems just fine in my experience. My phone runs cool and smooth and the battery has been great.

 

[Prince134]

It's never ending, isn't it.

http://www.wired.com/2015/10/iphone-6s-a9-battery-life/

Get over it. Save yourself from embarrassment.

Honestly, this is the worst article I've ever read by Wired Magazine.
They even quote same conclusion as Apple said, but doing nothing.

Not worth it to read.

 

[Prince134]

the term "power user" to me means nothing.
I constantly see people here whining about 1 Gb of ram because they are "power users" and the only thing they basically do is browsing the web (thus 1 Gb of ram isn't satisfactory because they can't keep 10 tabs opened without reloads ...), while in my organization we use iPads 4 (1 Gb of ram) to manage gears worth 20 millions dollars each ...

Said that, if a difference of 15-20% in battery life will be confirmed, I agree that people are entitled to return the Samsung A9 powered iPhone. Im waiting to see what will happen

It's happening every Apple store now. Don't you know that.

 

[Max(IT)]

It's happening every Apple store now. Don't you know that.

do you mean the swap ?

 

[iAstonish]

Also I'd like to throw this out there.

This is a screen shot from a galaxy s6. The same Galaxy s6 that is rated to have a longer geek bench battery test than the iPhone 6 Plus.

Now you tell me how much this geek bench test means in practical use...because this phone can't even get two hours of screen on time and beat the 6 plus haha

 

[Max(IT)]

Honestly, this is the worst article I've ever read by Wired Magazine.
They even quote same conclusion as Apple said, but doing nothing.

Not worth it to read.

actually the article is a good read about the hysteria surrounding every single iPhone launch...

 

[HEK]

Also I'd like to throw this out there.

This is a screen shot from a galaxy s6. The same Galaxy s6 that is rated to have a longer geek bench battery test than the iPhone 6 Plus.

Now you tell me how much this geek bench test means in practical use...because this phone can't even get two hours of screen on time and beat the 6 plus haha

So much for this precious geek test. Busted

 

[HEK]

6s Plus 128GB Space Grey
TSMC Chip
Typical use two days weekend, normal charge every night.
40% AT&T LTE one to two bars
60% WiFi AirPort Extreme 802.11ac Comcast cable 120 Mbps
25% screen brightness manual, except when outside at 100%
Hey Siri on all time, mail at 15 min, system services share location and find phone on others off, iCloud music, location on for apps if using except for weather on always, auto app update on for blocker apps others off, diagnostics usage on, advertising off, WiFi assist off, low power mode not used.

Have run this several times since receiving phone on 9/25 with similar results. All running smoothly, no lag, no issues what so ever. It's a keeper.

 

[anthonybkny]

6s Plus 128GB Space Grey
TSMC Chip
Typical use two days weekend, normal charge every night.
40% AT&T LTE one to two bars
60% WiFi AirPort Extreme 802.11ac Comcast cable 120 Mbps
25% screen brightness manual, except when outside at 100%
Hey Siri on all time, mail at 15 min, system services share location and find phone on others off, iCloud music, location on for apps if using except for weather on always, auto app update on for blocker apps others off, diagnostics usage on, advertising off, WiFi assist off, low power mode not used.

Have run this several times since receiving phone on 9/25 with similar results. All running smoothly, no lag, no issues what so ever. It's a keeper.


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Just curious since you said you don't lag. Do you unlock with finger print or passcode?

 

[HEK]

Just curious since you said you don't lag. Do you unlock with finger print or passcode?

Use print ID super fast, using longer complex passcode as well

 

[MuGeN PoWeR]

Samsung Chip. 6s plus 64GB Rose Gold here.

 

[magbarn]

It's never ending, isn't it.

http://www.wired.com/2015/10/iphone-6s-a9-battery-life/

Get over it. Save yourself from embarrassment.

Looks like this piece was written/approved by Apple marketing before it was posted lol.

To all the posters complaining about iPhone buyers being 'too picky', remember Apple has courted this kind of consumer ever since they went from Apple Computer, Inc to Apple, Inc. The high end of the market is always going to demand 'the best' even when it makes very little difference. It's the price of doing business when you're capturing >90% of the smartphone market profit. Who's going to complain more about a purse? A Walmart or Neiman Marcus shopper?

 

[lordofthereef]

That's the thing. There are people that DO use the phone to do more things than the average person and this issue affects them more than anyone else. They should be privy to information that can affect their purchase. If I'm throwing down more than a grand for a phone and have certain uses in mind, I'd like to know if there's a variant of the phone I want that is more capable in terms of endurance. I think it's pretty much certain that the two chips are reasonably equal in terms of basic usage.

I understand this. But these tests still aren't real world use tests. None of them have been. Running a cpu at max until your battery is dead overnight is not a legitimate test of real world use.

I don't deny you should have the information. I also don't think we should have knee jerk reactions about the differences I these SOCs.