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'N42' iPhone 5 to Reportedly Launch at Same Pricing as iPhone 4S

dukebound85 said:
What point am I missing? I just tried to show that iPhone home buttons not working aren't a rare occurrence. Not sure where I brought up capacitive buttons. May you show where I did?

Also, not sure why you keep implying that buttons don't go bad when many here have told you their buttons malfunction over time:confused:

TBH, not sure what you are "debating" about as the issue is very real. I mean I have my iPhone 4 right here exhibiting a faulty button. Or do you think I am making it up or something?
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Never said buttons didn't go bad. And the point you are missing is that this argument started over Macula complaining about the existence of a physical button. A simple Google search show both fail. But if there were a significant level of failure in the iPhone, A) this forum would be flooded with threads on it and b) people would stop buying it. So yes, they break but no, they do not break with a consitency that implies Apple made a bad choice.

Back to my earlier point. Assuming Apple didn't put some thought and testing into this is absurd and thinking you know better than Apple and calling them stupid for putting in a physical button is again absurd. Unless you have a job somewhere designing a button on a competing device at the same price point with a lower failure rate, why would should anybody even bother to listen to such drivel?
 
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Geckotek said:
Never said but buttons didn't go bad. And the point you are missing is that this argument started over
Macula complaining about the existence of a physical button. A simple Google search show both fail. But if there were a significant level of failure in the iPhone, A) this forum would be flooded with threads on it and b) people would stop buying it. So yes, they break but no, they do not break with a consitency that implies Apple made a bad choice.

Back to my earlier point. Assuming Apple didn't put some thought and testing into this is absurd and thinking you know better than Apple and calling them stupid for putting in a physical button is again absurd. Unless you have a job somewhere designing a button on a competing device at the same price point with a lower faillure rate, why would should anybody even bother to listen to such drivel?
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Where did I call apple stupid??

I prefer a physical button

I just wish it were more reliable from my experiences with the device. Though to be fair, the issue has largely come about on the iPhone 4 for me and not other iOS devices and past iPhones
 
dukebound85 said:
Where did I call apple stupid??

I prefer a physical button

I just wish it were more reliable from my experiences with the device. Though to be fair, the issue has largely come about on the iPhone 4 for me and not other iOS devices and past iPhones
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Exactly. I prefer a physical button too. I just wish they had used a better quality physical button.

But give up arguing with this guy... he's dense and he doesn't want to believe he could ever be wrong so he'll just keep arguing around you (trust me, I already banged my head against the wall arguing with him. And when I give up arguing with someone, that's pretty bad cause I'm really argumentative to the point I usually feel compelled to respond back to some one even when I'm sick of arguing). OR rather I don't even think he's dense, I think he just doesn't want to concede the point so he's just going to find ways to argue around you. Either way, you might as well bang your head against the wall. It'll have the same effect.
 
Dwalls90 said:
Apple, like any other company, isn't perfect. Obviously they have had some products or services that weren't as successful as the iPhone, ect. I'm sorry you experienced problems with MobileMe, but speak for yourself, because although it was more limited than iCloud in terms of functionality, it wasn't a "failure", IMO.

The point is that Apple doesn't usually bring something to market first, but rather waits until the technology matures to a good point.
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I'm not saying that they're perfect, but they don't always churn out the right things each time either.

Plenty of other people experienced issues with MobileMe and other services.
 
Biggest shock to come, iPhone 5 (sixth generation -_- ) completely different then the leaked photographs, iPhone to look just like iPhone 4S just thinner!


Seriously it would be nice to see something completely different then these leaks what feel ridiculous, how in the world does THAT much leak, like many have said, we basically could put the entire phone together.
 
Gasu E. said:
Because those that don't need it shouldn't have to pay for it. And, to counter the argument that "memory is getting cheaper", a. not that fast, it isn't; and b. I would prefer any cost savings to go into other enhancements.

I do agree that Apple should offer higher end memory options for those that need it.

Lastly, I would submit the memory capacity problems many of the people here are complaining about aren't primarily due to external trends -- such as, "apps are getting bigger"-- but due to personal style-- as in, "you've had your phone for a long time and you keep stuffing more things into it." So you should have the option of continuing to eschew housekeeping; but how about if the rest of us don't have to pay for it? 16GB continues to be fine for NEW iPhone customers.
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Memory? Don't you mean storage?
 
Geckotek said:
Never said you did, Macula did. You jumped into the middle of a debate that started with him.
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Objection, your honor, Geckotek is misquoting me! :cool:

One of the principles of citing is that it should be accurate. I never called Apple "stupid," or remotely implied that it is so. I said "incorrigible" — now that's a nice word, no?

#writing101
 
aurichie said:
Wow this is great news for consumers. If Apple somehow manages to launch a larger more powerful iPhone for the same price as 4S there will be mass shortages of these new devices. Pre-orders will be absolutely essential for anyone who wants to hold iPhone 5 in the first few months after launch.
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It's the same price they always launch at, and each generation is always better than the last. I can't see why this would lead to any more shortages than usual. Apple always trickle feed supply to keep demand high.
 
I see a 128gb iPhone potentially next year.

ATM the don't even have 128gb iPads and iPads use 2 NAND chips vs the iPhones 1!

What we should be complaining about is why the step up from 32-64 costs the same on iPhones as it does on iPads (in the UK it costs MORE to go for more storage on the iPhone) when iPads use 2 chips vs the iPhones 1.
 
aurichie said:
Wow this is great news for consumers. If Apple somehow manages to launch a larger more powerful iPhone for the same price as 4S there will be mass shortages of these new devices. Pre-orders will be absolutely essential for anyone who wants to hold iPhone 5 in the first few months after launch.
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Wow! Why would you think this way? Consumers already can buy much larger and more powerful phones than iPhone 5 for less money.
 
Gasu E. said:
Lastly, I would submit the memory capacity problems many of the people here are complaining about aren't primarily due to external trends -- such as, "apps are getting bigger"-- but due to personal style-- as in, "you've had your phone for a long time and you keep stuffing more things into it." So you should have the option of continuing to eschew housekeeping; but how about if the rest of us don't have to pay for it? 16GB continues to be fine for NEW iPhone customers.
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I'll admit you are right and wrong here. You are right that it is a lot of accumulation of apps why people start having capacity problems (but hey, many of those apps I just don't want to lose my saved data. If I was sure of some way of saving it even if I deleted I'd delete many of them. But Apple doesn't let you easily do that).

You are wrong about forcing you to pay for our need. Why? Because already it has been announced what the price points are, and there is still the same price point as the 16GB. So if they made 32GB the minimum, you are assured you aren't paying more for it. If they make 16 GB the minimum, you are not going to pay less for it either. So you have absolutely nothing to lose by them upping the minimum to 32 GB.

Not to mention it has not been apple's pattern to make the minimum price go up when they make the minimum space go up. Usually they just add a new maximum space and move the price points one level down so the old minimum disappears and the next step up from that becomes the new minimum at the same old minimum price.

So you'd only have stuff to gain by them making 32GB the new minimum. So why are you complaining about us wishing 32GB to be the new minimum?
 
ct2k7 said:
I'm not saying that they're perfect, but they don't always churn out the right things each time either.

Plenty of other people experienced issues with MobileMe and other services.
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You are agreeing with yourself and I here.

You keep saying "issues". Care to elaborate and specify?
 
Xiroteus said:
Seriously it would be nice to see something completely different then these leaks what feel ridiculous, how in the world does THAT much leak, like many have said, we basically could put the entire phone together.
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With the iPhone 4S, it's still easier to get more done than with just about anything else out there.

They don't really need to be revolutionary with this build in order to stay ahead of the game.

And you know how Apple customers can be...we can be very critical of something, so critical that it affects sales because of how our comments are reported in the media.

Where I'm going with this is that since it's an enhanced version of a design with which we're already familiar, I wouldn't put it past Apple to be overtly lackadaisical with the potential design leaks just to prepare the Apple-buying world for the fact that this is a more or less incremental build, not a full model change.

In doing this, they pre-empt our bitching about nothing new with iOS 6 and a 4" screen.

We know it has more memory and we know they've been canceling the orders for Samsung memory. So I'm interested in knowing why, and how they're going to give us a 1.0 GB (speedy) DRAM device without Samsung.

We're also not sure if this is an A6 or A5X. Either one is an improvement, but we still don't know which way they went.
 
Dwalls90 said:
You are agreeing with yourself and I here.

You keep saying "issues". Care to elaborate and specify?
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I had issues where emails were missing and synced documents didn't show. It took quite a while before it worked well enough for me to rely on it.
 
Macula said:
Objection, your honor, Geckotek is misquoting me! :cool:

One of the principles of citing is that it should be accurate. I never called Apple "stupid," or remotely implied that it is so. I said "incorrigible" — now that's a nice word, no?

#writing101
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Whaaa.....close enough.
 
Gasu E. said:
Because those that don't need it shouldn't have to pay for it. And, to counter the argument that "memory is getting cheaper", a. not that fast, it isn't; and b. I would prefer any cost savings to go into other enhancements.

I do agree that Apple should offer higher end memory options for those that need it.

Lastly, I would submit the memory capacity problems many of the people here are complaining about aren't primarily due to external trends -- such as, "apps are getting bigger"-- but due to personal style-- as in, "you've had your phone for a long time and you keep stuffing more things into it." So you should have the option of continuing to eschew housekeeping; but how about if the rest of us don't have to pay for it? 16GB continues to be fine for NEW iPhone customers.
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The complaint is that there should be a 32GB model for what 16GB sells for currently. 32GB NAND is a hell of a lot cheaper now than when the 3GS launched.
 
RBMaraman said:
It's ridiculous if the storage stays the same. 32Gb should be the minimum at this point.
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I agree, and I wish there was a way to put a Micro SD in there, only because flash is too expensive to put in a phone, all the other phones on the market are moving past the 64gb bar

It should be 32gb standard, then 64gb, then 128gb

More colors would be nice as well, getting bored of Black and White after 4 years of 3G, 3GS, 4, and 4S
 
George Knighton said:
With the iPhone 4S, it's still easier to get more done than with just about anything else out there.

They don't really need to be revolutionary with this build in order to stay ahead of the game.

And you know how Apple customers can be...we can be very critical of something, so critical that it affects sales because of how our comments are reported in the media.

Where I'm going with this is that since it's an enhanced version of a design with which we're already familiar, I wouldn't put it past Apple to be overtly lackadaisical with the potential design leaks just to prepare the Apple-buying world for the fact that this is a more or less incremental build, not a full model change.

In doing this, they pre-empt our bitching about nothing new with iOS 6 and a 4" screen.

We know it has more memory and we know they've been canceling the orders for Samsung memory. So I'm interested in knowing why, and how they're going to give us a 1.0 GB (speedy) DRAM device without Samsung.

We're also not sure if this is an A6 or A5X. Either one is an improvement, but we still don't know which way they went.
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When it comes to phones these days it appears a company (more so with Apple) is expected to change their design each year which I imagine could be hard, change just for the shake of change. A new design can be cool and all, personally I would focus more on what it can do.
 
Xiroteus said:
When it comes to phones these days it appears a company (more so with Apple) is expected to change their design each year which I imagine could be hard, change just for the shake of change. A new design can be cool and all, personally I would focus more on what it can do.
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I agree. And I think you can still already do more with an iPhone than almost any other competitor.

It's just so easy and trouble free.

Well. It's trouble free still you start hacking it.

:)
 
More memory

With the enhanced camera photo and video files will be larger.

Moving to 32, 64 and 128G would be an excellent move
 
pixpixpix said:
With the enhanced camera photo and video files will be larger.

Moving to 32, 64 and 128G would be an excellent move
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Except I've heard the 64GB models are in low demand. If the demand for the 64GB model isn't high, why would they release a 128GB model?

I personally want them to step up, but I just don't see it happening.
 
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