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Nearly All Mobile Device Makers Cheat on Benchmarks, Except Apple and Motorola
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Add to this list such "Asian" companies as Nvidia and AMD. That said, calling this cheating is technically illiterate. It's simply a power management technique. It was demonstrated that, for example, Samsung Galaxy S4 uses the same high CPU frequency not only for benchmarks but also for camera app. Most ARM-based CPUs (including Apple processors) have some sort of power management where they control voltage or frequency depending on the situation to save power.
Using application lists to specify which resources should be used for different applications is not a new technique. For example, Nvidia Optimus used application names to indicate which applications require discrete GPU and which could be run on IGP.
Ok I thought you were telling me that I confused China with Korea... I'm still confused actually...
Read the Anandtech article. Pretty much the only apps on the whitelist are benchmarking applications. It's cheating, plain and simple. It's probably illegal in some jurisdictions, as well.
Legal for what, its a silly phone test.
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Apple is just as East Asian as all those on that list.
Is it theoretically possible to "tweak" (or as some would say "optimize" ) the iPhone in a similar way so you would have comparable numbers based on the same conditions?
Maybe Apple just hasn't heard of this (or they aren't interested in reaching the highest technically possible results in benchmarks (disclaimer: for whatever reason)) "technique", while other competitors (disclaimer: for whatever reason) - seem to be quite familiar with it.
) the iPhone in a similar way so you would have comparable numbers based on the same conditions? Maybe Apple just hasn't heard of this (or they aren't interested in reaching the highest technically possible results in benchmarks (disclaimer: for whatever reason)) "technique", while other competitors (disclaimer: for whatever reason) - seem to be quite familiar with it.
Racial v. cultural, don't confuse the two.
This kind of topic has a potential to spin out of control if anyone suggests that it's "just the way things are over there" because of the PC joining of race and culture (they are NOT the same thing, or all "white" countries would be alike, as would all Black African countries, etc.). Because it's not PC to call a spade a spade, it makes it hard to discuss why this might be happening the way it's happening.
But what is a truth, is that the current culture in China and Korea is that lying, stealing and cheating to achieve is okay. It's not frowned upon. It's often done in concert with the government (Olympic cheating a prime example).
That is not to say that every corporation in the USA is clean nor every athlete, but simply that right now, lying cheating and stealing is publicly frowned upon, so if "caught" companies are shamed and must stop their tactics.
In Germany, it's even more entrenched in their culture and laws. Where in the USA, laws are lax when it comes to misrepresentation, in Germany they are more strict and enforceable. I believe they are stricter in Canada too, but if you watch anything involving Mike Holmes, you might think differently.
So it is not surprising that phones made in China and Korea are "copies" rather than innovations, and that they rig tests when they can. That's just the way to win, culturally, and it seems to be working for them.
What's interesting though is that, at least in China, when lying, cheating and stealing leads to death of innocents, then there is a sense of honor not shared in the west, one of self punishment, because it is only when another is harmed that they truly feel as if they have done anything wrong. In the USA, those who would act dishonestly are also the type who would do everything they can not to accept responsibility when the crap hits the fan.
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This kind of topic has a potential to spin out of control if anyone suggests that it's "just the way things are over there" because of the PC joining of race and culture (they are NOT the same thing, or all "white" countries would be alike, as would all Black African countries, etc.). Because it's not PC to call a spade a spade, it makes it hard to discuss why this might be happening the way it's happening.
But what is a truth, is that the current culture in China and Korea is that lying, stealing and cheating to achieve is okay. It's not frowned upon. It's often done in concert with the government (Olympic cheating a prime example).
That is not to say that every corporation in the USA is clean nor every athlete, but simply that right now, lying cheating and stealing is publicly frowned upon, so if "caught" companies are shamed and must stop their tactics.
In Germany, it's even more entrenched in their culture and laws. Where in the USA, laws are lax when it comes to misrepresentation, in Germany they are more strict and enforceable. I believe they are stricter in Canada too, but if you watch anything involving Mike Holmes, you might think differently.
So it is not surprising that phones made in China and Korea are "copies" rather than innovations, and that they rig tests when they can. That's just the way to win, culturally, and it seems to be working for them.
What's interesting though is that, at least in China, when lying, cheating and stealing leads to death of innocents, then there is a sense of honor not shared in the west, one of self punishment, because it is only when another is harmed that they truly feel as if they have done anything wrong. In the USA, those who would act dishonestly are also the type who would do everything they can not to accept responsibility when the crap hits the fan.
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It's one of the reasons Apple hasn't been strong in China even though their products are made there. What Apple does is try to keep the knock-offs in China, and use the laws of other countries to keep them out of those countries. Same goes for Samsung, but Apple has failed there.
Or perhaps the lesson is that Samsung sure seems to lie a lot, perhaps I should buy an iPhone, Nokia, or Nexus branded phone instead.
Ok I thought you were telling me that I confused China with Korea... I'm still confused actually...
He's talking about strawman people. Not sure who they are...
Right. I don't see why folks are throwing up the illegal flag on this. When running a performance test, I WOULD want all of the OS power throttling turned off so I can see the raw performance of the device. Many folks running speed tests on PC's run the system as clean as they can and see how high they can get on the speed numbers.
To be in the right, the sellers of the device should state that performance and speed is based on operating conditions and is variable.
Perhaps geography isn't their strong points? Or China doesn't exist for these people? Korea is the only country in that part of the world for them I guess?
Perhaps you should word it like this, those damn Canadians, why do they want to go and blow up Syria! They should leave them alone and stay out of Iraq too! They think they Police the world and it's so funny how their government has fallen to pieces this week...
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Actually, you can even word it like this - Americans and Mexicans are exactly the same. Geography and all.
Anyone who thinks Asian cultures are not unique and distinct from each other is pretty stupid. Imagine thinking that North Koreans are the same culturally than South Koreans. Or Chinese and Japanese. Or Thai and Indians. Might as well say, "they all look alike."
I don't see this as as big deal. It's not cheating. It's not a moral issue. It's seeing how fast a processor can crank under some artificial scenario.
This isn't like abusing steriods. Everyone should optimize for these benchmarks.
And reason Apple probably doesn't do it is that it doesn't matter to their sales, and historically they haven't sold on the same spec performance as android.
Last point, spec performance on a phone is like the special olympics. Intel is the real athlete in the game.
This isn't like abusing steriods. Everyone should optimize for these benchmarks.
And reason Apple probably doesn't do it is that it doesn't matter to their sales, and historically they haven't sold on the same spec performance as android.
Last point, spec performance on a phone is like the special olympics. Intel is the real athlete in the game.