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HamStrung is not far behind Google for "Slimiest Tech Company On Planet"....

1) Claiming everyone copies "THEIR innovations"
2) Hiring hordes of bloggers to bash competition
3) Cheating on Benchmarks
4) Runs Android (slime on slime)
5) When confronted with wrongdoing, lying to "save face"


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"For 32/28nm, Samsung and its partners were the first to introduce the Foundry HKMG strategy. At 32/28nm, a Gate-First HKMG was selected since the scheme has proven to meet market and customer needs achieving superior area scaling and preservation of layout styles without complex restricted design rules."

Do the words "restricted design rules" not mean anything to you?
Who should I trust, some blind Apple fanboy or Samsung, the leaders in manufacturing tech?

Is English not your primary language. All your quote basically says is that Samsung is flexible and not restrictive with their chip. designs. Not that Samsung designs their chips exclusively.
 
Apple "designs" CPUs in the same way you design your computer by buying an Intel CPU, an Nvidia GPU, Samsung dRAM, Samsung SSD and some power supply.

Just think of ordering a pizza. That's pretty much how Apple's "Designs" their CPUs. They can determine the clockspeeds and the GPU they want to use, but that's about it.
You literally have zero idea what you're talking about.
 
Asian market always takes competition to the next level, whereas American companies usually value integrity and honesty over sacrifice of principles. I am proud to be an American because all the American companies here (Google, Moto, and Apple) have class and present their phones as they are. I could imagine the decision in the engineering department, a VP thought of the good old days of a budding Silicon Valley where a young boy could get a job at a company by walking up to its CEO, where innovation thrived, driven by a group of idealistic young men, so he scoffed at the proposal to compete with these Asian newcomers at their level. Samsung might be the biggest smartphone maker, and HTC and Asus are poster childs for successful Taiwanese companies, but they have nothing of the tradition and history of people like Robert Noyce, Gordon Moore, Sherman Fairchild, and Andy Grove. This is why Silicon Valley continues to be the birthplace of most cutting edge technologies and inventions while their Asian counterparts master their arts of copying and expanding. I think what it comes down to is risk. What makes Silicon Valley special is the risk-taking courage. Samsung could come up 50 useless whiz features because as long some of them work, some generate buzz, then they accomplish a goal. It is 1,000 harder for companies like Google and Apple to say, create an entire new platform, or embed a finger print sensor, or use a new screen technology (retina), a new casing material (metal and glass); these are much more risky because they require huge capital investment and a commitment of your product line and company identity where a failure cannot be an option. Then once they pioneered it, it is much easier for Asian companies to follow suit and refine. "You got a retina? I will out 1080p in my phone." Well you see, it is not hard to put 1080p in a phone, it is hard to be the first company to take the huge risk to explore a new market. Once proven, of course it is easier for other companies to learn and follow. People of the world need to give more credits to this tradition entrepreneurial culture that differentiates American companies on this list. Without Google and Apple recently, or Intel, Fairchild, Bell Lab, Microsoft, etc, Samsung and LG will be still copying Sony and make DVD players.

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Think about it from the engineers perspective. They always want to build and code their products to be better, not meeting a standard. Now if they know how to ace a test, why wouldn't they tweak their systems to do it? Well some engineers won't, those with class and confidence that their PhD degrees probably from a better school taught them to use their time well, on work and research of actual substance and impact, instead of wasting time on inflating their works.

Yea I understand that completely understand, but, what i'm saying is that there phones are fast enough as it is, only true power users really care about benchmarks, and overall they are just for show, no real world usage is shown anyway. I guess its just for the sake of saying "mine is faster" lol. Thanks for the clarity
 
I highly doubt you've been to Korea. I have been there and I have yet to see anyone selling fake Nikes and Adidas.
Can you show me proof that the fake adidas and the fake iPhone below came from Korea? They look Chinese to me.

I just retired after 20 years in the Army. I have been station in Korean twice. Both times at Camp Casey. I have seen so much counterfeit garbage in Korea to last 50 lifetimes.

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Nexus 4 cheap plastic phone?



First, Adadis is english?

And second, you have show Chinese knockofss, they don't have nothing to do with Korea

So you actually know where those shoes were made? Please tell me how?
 
Samsung fans: but Apple also does that! Apple does a lot of bad things!
Anandtech: Apple doesn't cheat on benchmarks.
Samsung fans: but Apple is bad! There must be some other bad things!
 
Just a personal example...

I am into the printing industry... We print a lot of packaging materials for various industries... Once a client approached me for packaging needs for a new product they had developed... And we're exhibiting it in a 15 day exhibition of some sort... They wanted a huge amount of cartons to be delivered within the first three days of the exhibition... Which wasn't possible given my production constraints... I told them I would deliver certain amounts throughout the exhibition duration and that they definitely won't be making all the sales in the first five days... What my client told me so many years ago is what I've seen happening throughout with companies like Hyundai and Samsung... He said "We have just five days to sell our product as unique... Because on the first day there'll be a lot of Korean manufacturers taking samples and on the third day they'll be selling our exact product at half the price... Which we can't afford given our r & d costs... So we have just five days to make our profits..."

I don't mean to generalize... But that's straight from someone whose experienced it first hand...

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I have a wife and a kid... His point is invalid... :p ;)

Its true and its sad.
 
Is English not your primary language. All your quote basically says is that Samsung is flexible and not restrictive with their chip. designs. Not that Samsung designs their chips exclusively.


Thank you sir. Samsung will probably suggest how to avoid known pitfalls, but I doubt it would tell customers design OUR way. And I'm sure Samsung will suggest how to fix issues. That's a long way from Samsung designing the A7 hahaha...
 
Apple "designs" CPUs in the same way you design your computer by buying an Intel CPU, an Nvidia GPU, Samsung dRAM, Samsung SSD and some power supply.

Just think of ordering a pizza. That's pretty much how Apple's "Designs" their CPUs. They can determine the clockspeeds and the GPU they want to use, but that's about it.

That's demonstrably untrue. You really should learn about the tech world before posting again.
 
I guess when you can't beat 'em, copy and cheat. I wouldn't by a Samedung product of any kind. I have a some young guys at work that are so in love with their droids they make me sick. They seem to enjoy making fun of my iPhone 5S because the screen is so small, yet they need both hands to use the behemoths they carry and struggle to use :p
 
All they do in Korea is copy everything. I love Koreans but they don't innovate in any business. When you go there all you see is fake Nikes, Adidas, cheap suits, faux leather, faux wood, faux gold, faux everything. It should be expected that they cheat in benchmark tests.
This is Chinese, not Korean.
 
Apart of the moral question, they are not making the processor appear 20% faster, it is its nominal speed, they are not overclocking it.

So...you would like a new phone to come out, claim a certain speed, you buy it, and find it's not faster than your old phone? Except when running the benchmark. Yaayy.

Or are you just being contrary (as usual) because this isn't a bad thing about Apple?
 
So...you would like a new phone to come out, claim a certain speed, you buy it, and find it's not faster than your old phone? Except when running the benchmark. Yaayy.

Or are you just being contrary (as usual) because this isn't a bad thing about Apple?

I'd be disappointed that I expected it to be faster (than my old phone) - but ultimately what would matter more is real use case and whether or not my new phone worked better and had the features I wanted.

But I don't buy on specs per se - I buy on features and benefits.

ETA: that being said - I know my current phone is way faster and has better features than my last phone. So whatever benchmarks reveal is irrelevant.
 
What about Sony and Nokia? I think they are pretty honest too..

Perhaps, manufacturers should start to focus more on battery life than just processor performance.

What use is a fast phone that can only live up to 4 hours of usage before it died??:confused:
 
What about Sony and Nokia? I think they are pretty honest too..

Perhaps, manufacturers should start to focus more on battery life than just processor performance.

What use is a fast phone that can only live up to 4 hours of usage before it died??:confused:

At last sony and nokia actually have a r and d department. Samsung just watches Star Trek then copies others.
 
As an average customer I would be utterly disappointed, if I bought -let's say a Galaxy Note 3- as a replacement of my existing Note 1, after having read the specs and the benchmark scores, which are parroted and reprinted even on normal online news portals, and then only to find out that the high benchmarks ("one of the fasted phone on the market", etc) doesn't translate into real world applications.

So, despite scoring ridiculous high benchmarks, having 3 GB of Ram, in real world usage, it takes the gallery app *still* ages to open, phone is *still* stuttering or *still* unresponsive at times, etc.

What saddens me, is that companies like Samsung obviously spend time in fine tuning their software in order to achieve great benchmarks, in order, let's face it, to misguide potential buyers.

As a customer I wish they would utilize their resources rather in fine tuning their real world apps and improve the responsiveness of their devices for a better user experience.

Or not taking months to adopt and update to the latest Android Version :rolleyes:
 
Nearly All Mobile Device Makers Cheat on Benchmarks, Except Apple and Motorola

Or more accurately, "Nearly All Major Asian Makers Cheat on Android Benchmarks". On the other hand I'm not sure if Lenovo, Huawei or ZTE does it. (Except Sony as to be noted later)

As an average customer I would be utterly disappointed, if I bought -let's say a Galaxy Note 3- as a replacement of my existing Note 1, after having read the specs and the benchmark scores

I always felt the spec wars were more important in the Asian market for some reason, even the display sizes too. I don't have evidence to support my theory but I don't think it's a coincidence that all these are large Asian makers. Oddly enough I don't think the Japanese market cares as much and not sure if Sony is in it too.
 
Apple proved that not talking about specs sells more devices than cheating to brag about faked specs.

Pro Tip: People want to hear what something can do and not what random numbers it can push in certain spec categories.
 
Would this benefit the app developers at all? Find the string that the phone is looking for and add it to your app to mask it, suddenly your phone thinks you're benchmarking software and kicks the phone into full gear?
 
I always wondered why the counterpart Optimus G benched higher than the Nexus 4. Same deal with the laggy Samsungs.




Anyway, my phone's honor is preserved! :D
 
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