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What has happened to Steve Jobs's beloved Apple?

Tim Cook's casual trashing of their traditional strength in music feels like a betrayal of Jobs. They might as well rename their latest products Flop Watch, Flop Music and Flop Pay.

Perhaps we are in the last days of music, and this is a natural progression. One can only muse wistfully on the glories of past music and await the rekindling of a Phoenix.

They're DNA became mutated.

Have listened to B1 for only about 2 hours. Didn't hear anything I was interested in.
Since they've taken away the free weekly music I don't buy much of anything from them anymore. I used to find at least a song or two a week from that, and an album every so often.

Oh well.
 
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For them to cull over and then offer you targeted ads...

Y'know, a person can use both Apple and Google products without issue or being an elitist about it. So grow up kid. It's not some turf war.

I've had no music based ads thrown at me yet and I've been using Google Music for something like 3 years now.. so maybe you should learn not to be a fanboy. Apple can make missteps and having a music service that used sloppy tech (Beats Radio) is a slight misstep.

I'm sure they'll fix it in due time. But I also don't really like the subscription model of streaming music. $10 is a little high IMO when you can easily use a service like Spotify and create a playlist for $0.
 
61% turned off the auto-renewal... just comes to show how crappy the service Apple offers actually is...

I turned off auto-renewal and will probably renew. Many people do this as a precaution, a purely financial tactic, reflects nothing on the product or service. It indicates nothing scientifically.
 
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Yep. I bailed after a week. Was no where near as nice as just having your own music and do with it as you will.

The thing is, I grew up immersed in classical music and missed entire decades ( 60s, 70s, 80s) in any other genre (with a few exceptions).

So to me having my spare laptop set up with its own iTunes library and the whole Apple Music offerings to pick from, heh, it's like being cut loose in a candy store. I can't afford to buy even all the classical albums I like (ok partly from being addicted to apple's mobile gear), never mind discovering what I missed from the ranks of rock, pop, bluegrass, jazz, Latin pop, etc etc etc.

Could I find this stuff on Pandora or Spotify or other alternatives to Apple Music? Sure. I gave Pandora and Spotify a whirl. But for offline capabilities, it seemed a lot easier to launch iTunes with an empty library on a spare laptop and turn on Apple music and go nuts with their entire catalog. So, I did. And, I liked it. So, I'll keep it turned on, it's worth ten bucks a month to me to find out how much early Bob Dylan and Pink Floyd I can't live without (if any).

Meanwhile I have my other big libraries isolated on my main laptop because I don't want the metadata messed with. I don't have a problem (past an attitude problem) over the whole thing of not being able to integrate my own stuff with Apple Music stuff. When I care enough to bring over some of my nonclassical stuff to the spare setup to make a special playlist, I do it.

I expect AM will get better as it goes. I'm an optimist. I've liked iTunes since its inception, give or take some features I wish they hadn't subtracted or modified.

Whether I ever integrate Apple Music with my other music libraries, who knows. That depends in part on how considerate Apple gets regarding people who don't want everything on all their devices, don't want their playlists of operas popping up on iPod touch devoted to pop music... and on how the labels and Apple work out some of these ridiculous bandwidth-consuming sops to protection against burning stuff you're just renting.

I get the licensing issues, and I am not a fan of ripping off artists, composers, producers. I know it's hard work to create good music. I just don't think I should have to pay for uploading an AAC I ripped from my own purchased CD and gave it a slightly different title or other metadata... and I'm not alone on that score!

Meanwhile when AM starts costing me ten bucks a month, I don't see dropping Apple Music out of my options. Even finding three albums' worth of tracks before the end of the year means it pays for itself, and I've already done that even while I'm not paying anything at all. :)

Going forward, I figure to buy the tracks I really like onto my main setup, and meanwhile the test setup is one gigantic auditing opportunity. Previewing an entire opera and finding out I can't stand the tenor? Priceless. Or at least worth its prorated protion of ten bucks a month vs the price of a box set purchase!
 
Hah, I was just looking to see how to stop auto-renew.

Apple Music is worse that Spotify, IMO, and I don't love Spotify.

Google Music is actually considerably better, with overall better library and better selection algorithm. So I will stick with Google Music (I've tried most of the competition).

Apple made a huge mistake purchasing Beats, although it's other people's money, so Cook and the bankers still got their bonuses. If you made a mistake like this, you'd be fired....
 
They released it too soon. Apple should've put another 3 months of work into it before releasing it so that people's first impression of it was favorable rather than experiencing it as a bug filled beta that leaves a long term negative impression.

It'll get an update when iOS 9 and 10.11 are released.
 
Apple actually has the potential to do well with Apple Music. The concept is great, but the execution is just deplorable. I don't have a subscription, but the app itself is just garbage. If I could, I would happily revert to the previous Music App, which was functional with a decent UI.

With the Apple Music app, it's nearly impossible to quickly perform the most frequent functions:
- Cannot quickly navigate to 'Now Playing'
- Cannot quickly shuffle all songs from single artist
- Cannot sync Genius Playlists, etc.

The UI is just terrible. It's so cumbersome and unintuitive, you'd think it was designed by Microsoft.
 
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As soon as I downloaded iOS 8.4 and fired up Apple Music, I turned off auto renewal. I already pay for Spotify, and come September I didn't want to pay for two music streaming accounts (plus I knew I'd probably forget come September anyway). After the "newness" wore off on Apple Music, I gradually used it less and less because the playlists they have and recommended to me are a complete joke.
 
The big problem with Apple Music is that it really blurred the line between "music I own" and "music I rent".

I like having music I rent in a whole separate app from the music I own in iTunes. Apple Music makes such a mess of it all that it made me run away from it screaming.

I'm sticking with Spotify and disabling everything Apple Music related.
 
Why are people asking for student discount? Students can't afford $10/month? The same students that go out clubbing and partying and spend $20-30+ per night?

Students don't really do the clubbing thing anymore, unless they're on holiday. No one wants to pay to face gender bias, questionable music selection, overpriced drinks, and an egotistical bouncer.

Cheaper to go to the local store, get some drinks and mixers, and go back home and blast Spotify on speakers.

Most clubbers nowadays are 23-35. Or young heirs with mom and dad's AMEX.
 
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My favorite thing about it is the integration with the OS. Driving, all I have to do is say, "Hey, Siri, play 'Little Joy's album" and boom, it plays.
 
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I turned my auto renew off...$14 for music for my wife and I would mean I would have to buy 120+ songs a year to match that and I would even own the songs. Nope I'll buy and own them.
 
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What? 10 bucks a month is not that much for free choice music streaming. I think they are suffering more from the bugs and UI than anything else.
$10 a month isn't a lot, but $5 is better, especially on a student budget. Clearly money isn't s factor right now since we haven't entered s pay oahse yet (unless I am mistaken). But even with bug fixes spirit still has features such as offline music playing that isn't built into Apple's offering. If they can't compete with features, how are they going to compete with price?

Student discounts for software and services have been around for ages in an effort to build loyalty and get that student to continue paying when they are no longer a student.

Everyone has a different financial situation, but I know my friends and I would be happy to save a buck here and there whenever we could while in school. We were the epitome of ramen for lunch and dinner. And $5 buys a lot of ramen.
 
Apple has made a name for itself in the last 15-20 years or so by taking a product that has not yet appealed to a wide audience (MP3 players, smart phones, tablets, smart watches) and making it more desirable to a mass market.

Unfortunately, this project seems to be the opposite. With Apple Music, Apple is trying to fit their product into a market that already has not one, but two very successful options (Pandora, Spotify) and a number of other options with broad appeal (Soundcloud, Mixcloud, Et al).

In this case, Apple is the one scrambling to catch up with a product that may have potential one day but is just far too buggy, rushed, and unfinished at this stage.
 
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Count me in the "still using it and haven't turned off autorenewal" camp. I like what Apple Music is offering me; though, to be fair, I never really used Spotify or other services, so maybe I don't know what I'm missing from them. Still, I've found Apple Music a great service for not only listening to my own music but finding new and interesting stuff that I probably would have ignored in the album-buying days.

Same here. I never really used Spotify, and only used the basic functionality of Pandora free. I also have sort of given up truly curating my own music collection. AM has done a nice job of presenting me with new music in the "for you" section. I like the playlists they are providing. I also like some of the playlists provided by the B1 DJs, although frankly every time I try to listen to the station live they seem to be playing crap. But overall the nicest part of the experience has been the ability essentially play ANYTHING. On the way home from work I passed a convertible that was blasting "I can't fight this feeling" from the radio. So I told Siri to play the soundtrack to Reservoir Dogs. Boom. They've made that part easy. I also like that you can play a B1 radio show's playlist. This helps me to find which B1 DJs are worth listening to, and also helps to avoid the excess yammering.

Now if they could clean up all the options in the interface. My biggest gripe is the layout of the music control buttons. I mount my phone on the dashboard and play it in the car...the FF, Pause, and "heart" buttons need to be bigger so I don't have to look away from the road to hit a button.
 
Apple has made a name for itself in the last 15-20 years or so by taking a product that has not yet appealed to a wide audience (MP3 players, smart phones, tablets, smart watches) and making it more desirable to a mass market.

Unfortunately, this project seems to be the opposite. With Apple Music, Apple is trying to fit their product into a market that already has not one, but two very successful options (Pandora, Spotify) and a number of other options with broad appeal (Soundcloud, Mixcloud, Et al).

In this case, Apple is the one scrambling to catch up with a product that may have potential one day but is just far too buggy, rushed, and unfinished at this stage.
I haven't used pandora in a while, but isn't that more comparable to iradio than it is to apple music?

Regardless, I don't think you're wrong. I'm also still waiting to see if Apple TV ever becomes relevant.
 
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You've just made me remember the horrible Sony SonicStage app that was supposed to sync music with my MiniDisc player but 90% of the time resulted in a blue screen of death.

That was the app that helped to convinced me to move from Windows to the Mac, using iTunes to sync with the 3G iPod was a real pleasure after battling with that abomination. :)

I remember the joy I felt going from OS 9/Dialup/Napster/SCSI External CD Writer to OS X/Broadband/iTunes Music Store/iPod
 
5000 is a pathetic sample size of a global service.

This is barely a survey at all. Also asking a demographic consisting of young teenagers are more likely to favour a free service over a paid one even with a free trial due to financial restrictions.

Macrumors is getting close to posting click bait far too often with this sort of "news"
 
5000 is a pathetic sample size of a global service.

This is barely a survey at all. Also asking a demographic consisting of young teenagers are more likely to favour a free service over a paid one even with a free trial due to financial restrictions.

Macrumors is getting close to posting click bait far too often with this sort of "news"
It's really not a pathetic sample size. Actual legitimate scientific studies are done with similar sample sizes.
 
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