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That’s probably right. It’ll take Apple at least 5 years to reach Netflix levels, and I only give Netflix about 5 more years before they go into decline at their current rate of deficit spending, sluggish subscriber growth, and most third party content pulled back after the Fall launches of Disney, Warner Bros., and Universals streaming channels, to say nothing of CBS All Access, and smaller ventures. Between them they account for the majority of the TV and film catalogues and a large part of Netflix’ value to consumers. Netflix purchase of FRIENDS for one year at a million dollars an episode highlights the importance of the content they’re losing and the outrageous way they’re spending their borrowed money.
Yeah but what does Apple have in the end? It's not like they can offer more than Netflix.
So according to what you wrote Netflix is going to decline and Apple's steaming service will never be successful in the first place.
 
I'm an Apple fan but I have to be realitic and honest, I don't know why people here are complaining - this is such an Apple thing to do. Why is it a problem when someone else does it?
 
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As customer hostile like removing the 3.5 headphone jack? With the lame excuse that they did it for an IP rating and more space in the iphone? A lot of hypocritical ******** from Apple fans in this topic....

Possibly, yes, if you look at my previous posts, I was critical of that move too.

I guess much of the reason I don't like this move, is that although it is only smallish use cases affected, it sends a message to other streaming apps that things like Airplay are optional extras, and not all streaming apps actually do have a tvOS app.
 
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A genuine question - why would anyone need this in the first place?

Apple TV has a Netflix app. Smart TVs have a Netflix app. All devices have Netflix apps. I mean, if you need AirPlay that means you either have an Apple TV which has a Netflix app or you have a 2019 Smart TV which supports AirPlay 2 - that also has a Netflix app.

The only time I use iOS-to-TV casting is when I want to watch HBO Go on my Sony TV that is an Android TV and it doesn't have an HBO Go app (at least in my region, not sure why - my LG TV has it). This is when I use HBO app (iOS app supports Chromecasting that is built into the Android TV). But this is the only case.

So, I'm sure I'm missing something - as I said, it's a genuine question and I'd like to know.
 
A genuine question - why would anyone need this in the first place?

Apple TV has a Netflix app. Smart TVs have a Netflix app. All devices have Netflix apps. I mean, if you need AirPlay that means you either have an Apple TV which has a Netflix app or you have a 2019 Smart TV which supports AirPlay 2 - that also has a Netflix app.

The only time I use iOS-to-TV casting is when I want to watch HBO Go on my Sony TV that is an Android TV and it doesn't have an HBO Go app (at least in my region, not sure why - my LG TV has it). This is when I use HBO app (iOS app supports Chromecasting that is built into the Android TV). But this is the only case.

So, I'm sure I'm missing something - as I said, it's a genuine question and I'd like to know.

Yep, you ARE missing something. If you read the thread you will find many different reasons people used Airplay with Netflix. I never used it myself as, like you, I never had the need, But I don't assume everyone else has the same needs as me
 
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Airplay is an optional extra and always has been. Not all streaming apps support it either.

Possibly, yes, if you look at my previous posts, I was critical of that move too.

I guess much of the reason I don't like this move, is that although it is only smallish use cases affected, it sends a message to other streaming apps that things like Airplay are optional extras, and not all streaming apps actually do have a tvOS app.
 
Possibly, yes, if you look at my previous posts, I was critical of that move too.

I guess much of the reason I don't like this move, is that although it is only smallish use cases affected, it sends a message to other streaming apps that things like Airplay are optional extras, and not all streaming apps actually do have a tvOS app.
I didn't check you previous posts. And it's not a assault on you personally. It's just the short term memory of other people posting on this forum which annoys me.
 
I didn't check you previous posts. And it's not a assault on you personally. It's just the short term memory of other people posting on this forum which annoys me.

No worries, I wouldn't expect you read my previous posts.:)
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Airplay is an optional extra and always has been. Not all streaming apps support it either.

It may be optional insofar as it is not a requirement (I assume) to be in the app store, but as it's a feature of the OS, I would expect streaming apps should support it, and it's frustrating when they do not. Of course not all streaming apps have been updated for the 11 inch iPad yet, but that's another story.
 
There's probably 10 different ways one might watch Netflix, and AirPlaying is far away from what I'd probably go for. Streaming down my ethernet connection directly to the app on my console, tv app, apple tv, laptop, etc would be far more advantageous than AirPlay.

I'm really not understanding the panic and anger in this thread.


Airplay is the easiest and most practical way if you have an iOS device and a TV set without Internet. This is Netflix shooting its own foot. If they don’t correct this before my next bill it’s bye Netflix. If enough of us do that, they might react and become reasonable.
 
"We want to make sure our members have a great Netflix experience on any device they use."

"... therefore we're turning off features that support this 'great' experience."

Talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater...
 
I would consider alternatives to Netflix, if only there were some... Outside the US there's no real alternative to Netflix, and I think none is in sight, at least in the short term.

I guess it depends where you live as to if there is choice. There are several "local" alternatives (ie. they are in multiple Nordic countries) to Netflix in Scandinavia (Viaplay, CMore, Dplay...) and all have the backing of major broadcasters. There are definitely times where I would consider only having a Viaplay subscription over Netflix. I don't think there necessarily needs to be only global streaming services.
 
These anti consumer practices need to stop. Cancelling my subscription to protest this garbage move.

You're only punishing yourself. Netflix's original content is incredible.

I don't fully understand the furore over this. All smart TV's will allow users to install Netflix if it wasn't pre-installed & you can use other devices such as games consoles etc to watch Netflix. It's a non-issue.
 
This is strange - isn’t it the point of Airplay to provide a consistent experience? Even with new 3rd party devices coming onto the market, this is something that Apple would have thought of already before granting the Airplay mark.
 
It may turn out to be petty. But only bad for as Apple would put it, "only affects a small number of customers"
Don't know why you wouldn't just use the App on the Apple tv.
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I keep on saying the same thing against Apple.
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I think it is a case of Apple fans venting against anything negative that any company does towards Apple.
I'd guess almost no-one Airplays netflix to a TV when native Apps are available.

I do use the Apple TV app, but for those that use AirPlay, it's a crappy move.
 
This is strange - isn’t it the point of Airplay to provide a consistent experience? Even with new 3rd party devices coming onto the market, this is something that Apple would have thought of already before granting the Airplay mark.
Airplay is always my last resort. Even on current Apple equipment with a gigabit router, I feel like I need to cross my fingers and hope for the best, i.e. it actually connects and isn't a virtual slide show. <shrug>. Kind of a nothing-burger topic to get 20 pages of comments over.
 
It's like they want me to cancel my subscription.

Because You don’t like native apps and prefer a low quality airplay workaround?
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This is strange - isn’t it the point of Airplay to provide a consistent experience? Even with new 3rd party devices coming onto the market, this is something that Apple would have thought of already before granting the Airplay mark.

Nope, AirPlay is just a crappy workaround for not native content apps
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It doesn't matter to me as I just cancelled my subscription. 18 days left for me and farewell Netflix. It was nice using you for the past 4 years.

You can come back every time, we still love You
 
i call serious BS. why cant all these fools just work together better for the consumer. geez louise we pay so much money for their crap you'd think they'd think about us before making a childish decision like this. seriously big tech is like dealing with 13 year old girls IMO
 
I didn't read the whole thread, but doesn't seem that anyone understands Netflix's position. I am a Netflix customer and pay Netflix for a service. If I have quality problems with that service, I am going to call them and complain. Of all the companies doing streaming, Netflix has their app available on practically every platform known to man and they do a good job of getting quality streaming on all of them. What Apple has done is now allowed many different hardware devices to masquerade as an Apple box. If I'm Netflix, I see this as a risk to consistent quality and have no way to mitigate it, so I simply turned it off. Given Netflx runs on all the platforms with their own app, I don't see the issue. The thread seems to be more about "how dare you do anything against Apple?" to all the apple fans.
 
Am I the only person that doesn't use Airplay? Netflix has an app for everything and every device. What am I missing?
 
I didn't read the whole thread, but doesn't seem that anyone understands Netflix's position. I am a Netflix customer and pay Netflix for a service. If I have quality problems with that service, I am going to call them and complain. Of all the companies doing streaming, Netflix has their app available on practically every platform known to man and they do a good job of getting quality streaming on all of them. What Apple has done is now allowed many different hardware devices to masquerade as an Apple box. If I'm Netflix, I see this as a risk to consistent quality and have no way to mitigate it, so I simply turned it off. Given Netflx runs on all the platforms with their own app, I don't see the issue. The thread seems to be more about "how dare you do anything against Apple?" to all the apple fans.
Except that’s ********. There is no risk of inconsistent quality. The airplay protocol is a fixed protocol. What’s next - Netflix refuses to display on certain tv’s if it doesn’t like your how you’ve set the color? Does Netflix ban certain HDMI cables that it deems not good enough?

And it doesn’t matter if you “don’t see the issue.” People have explained over and over again why this IS an issue, and coming along and saying “I didn’t read the whole thread” and then “i don’t see the issue” is exactly what makes the internet such a sucky place nowadays.
 
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A genuine question - why would anyone need this in the first place?

Apple TV has a Netflix app. Smart TVs have a Netflix app. All devices have Netflix apps. I mean, if you need AirPlay that means you either have an Apple TV which has a Netflix app or you have a 2019 Smart TV which supports AirPlay 2 - that also has a Netflix app.

The only time I use iOS-to-TV casting is when I want to watch HBO Go on my Sony TV that is an Android TV and it doesn't have an HBO Go app (at least in my region, not sure why - my LG TV has it). This is when I use HBO app (iOS app supports Chromecasting that is built into the Android TV). But this is the only case.

So, I'm sure I'm missing something - as I said, it's a genuine question and I'd like to know.

One example: Let's say you got a new girl and she's too cheap to buy Netflix and you go over to her house to "chill" but you don't want to give her your credentials to login, you could just stream from your phone.

Another example: casting it to a hotel tv that doesn't allow you to install stuff

Another example: say you are at work and wanted to cast to a tv to show your workmates something

Just a few things, you're "missing".
 
No real loss for me as I have never used AirPlay for Netflix or any other streaming app (have ATV's at home and most hotels we stay in now have Smart TV's, if not, I just stream on my iPad). But I get the commotion surrounding the removal of AirPlay though.
 
I only have Netflix for Better Call Saul and Brooklyn 99. They’ve gotten rid of so many movies, and now that they’re acting in such a petty way to smite Apple but also customers, I’m not sure how much longer I’ll remain one.

I wish they had Brooklyn 99
 
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