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A Verizon-backed Netflix and Max deal, and talks between Apple and Paramount, suggest that streaming bundles may be about to get bigger and better.
After years of mostly sitting on the sidelines, two streaming companies that have long been reluctant to bundle their wares with competitor services seem a bit more open to the idea.

On Monday, the telecom giant Verizon announced a $10 per month deal that includes the ad tiers of both Netflix and Max. That’s a 40 percent discount compared to their standard prices.

And it’s notable because while Max has offered discounted pricing before (Max just offered its ad tier for $3 per month for Black Friday), Netflix has notably not offered any discounts or wholesale prices on its plans for many years.

To be certain, it is not clear whether Netflix is offering a wholesale price to Verizon or how the discount cost is being shared among the three companies, but the 40 percent discount suggests that either Verizon, Warner Bros. Discovery, Netflix or some combination thereof is helping to subsidize those costs.

Verizon CEO Hans Vestberg said at a UBS conference Monday morning that the bundle is something that “nobody else can do” and that forming new bundles is a priority for the telecom company.

Verizon, it should be noted, has offered Netflix in its bundles before, but it has never done so for the ad tier, and has suggested that in the past it was shouldering the cost of Netflix in its other bundles.

The launch of Netflix’s ad tier a year ago, at a lower price point, seems to have been a tipping point, with Netflix executives having noted that it is generating better margins on that tier than its base ad-free tier.

At the same time, another streaming service that has been reluctant to bundle seems more open to it. Apple TV+ has held some talks with Paramount about an Apple TV+/Paramount+ bundle, sources confirm, though exactly what that bundle will look like remains unclear (it could happen through an intermediary like Verizon).

Apple TV+ does not have an ad tier yet, but it did recently raise prices, making fighting churn a priority. Apple has had success with a bundle of its own services (Apple One includes services like Apple TV+, Apple Music, Apple Arcade, Apple News and cloud storage), but as it seeks to grow its streaming video service to profitability, it seems open to partnering with other players in the space to keep subscriptions consistent and to reduce churn.
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I still like the fact that to start or cancel a streaming subscription is a cake walk compared to dealing with a ISP provided video on demand subscription. The same goes with utilizing a satellite service such as SiriusXM in the states. You ever been on the web, want to cancel and they force you to go through a service rep gauntlet that goes out of their way to avoid allowing customer to cancel their service? At least with all these streaming VoD hosts it's easy peasy even if they do increase the prices they charge to cancel. But as this article points out there are other ways to get discounted streaming auto or video on demand for less money if you just look for it. ;)
 
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Netflix management:

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Meh, I’m always behind a VPN, if their service doesn’t work I’ll just cancel and shift more towards torrents

Seems a silly reason to lose business
 
we talked about this with my family on thanksgiving, we are completely satisfied living without Netflix, turns out there is a bunch of streaming services out there.
Even though I have Netflix, but I find myself watching TUBI more than anything else, they have lots of good movies. Netflix needs help in acquisition their movies. Also, they need to improve handling subtitles, you can’t make a font style in all colors or change the size - only a choice of too large, too small or big. Unlike TUBI they have lots of options.
I spend less time in deciding which movie to watch, they constantly change their recommendation section.
 
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That is so few people it's not even a rounding error.
wrong
about 7% of the revenue is being pirated.

cord cutting survey showed about half of those pirating would pay if they had to stop pirating.

much more than "a rounding error".
 
Really want to drop Netflix but wife likes love is blind. Pricey sub for just a single show.

Used to be that we all had multiple shows on Netflix.
 
I honestly barely watch Netflix anymore, I generally use prime, crave, Disney plus or YouTube mostly lately. Been very tempted to just cancel it, I open it here and there to see what else is new on it but never seem, to be tempted
 
Hopefully there will not be further price hike. The end to password sharing will surely help Netflix get more money
 
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I never got hit by this for some reason using Apple TV or mobile Apps. Still using my Mexican account abroad even though my dad made their home the primary location without asking!

At this point I am surprised streaming services don‘t lock you in a 12 months auto-renewal contract by now. For the „convenience“ to cancel monthly, you’d have to pay 5 euro extra per month. #courage
 
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we talked about this with my family on thanksgiving, we are completely satisfied living without Netflix, turns out there is a bunch of streaming services out there.
Really? You just learned there are other services or are you being a bit melodramatic?


honestly i’m disappointed in so many of you trying to cheat the system? Password sharing is wrong.

You’re okay paying the Apple tax —you’ll be okay paying the Netflix tax
 
we talked about this with my family on thanksgiving, we are completely satisfied living without Netflix, turns out there is a bunch of streaming services out there.
But it's only a matter of time before they pull off a similar move, and we're right back to square one ;)
 
plex is cheaper and pirating is free :)
They don't provide any content though. Plus I believe they've had some issues with privacy and cybersecurity? (Some tech friends briefly mentioned that, but I didn't catch the details). Suffice to say, if you're into Apple products because of their privacy stance, you probably should take a closer look with Plex.
 
They are simply too expensive now; thrilled to have finally canceled after 13 years of subscribing.
Being with them so long, not sure if that really matters much to them? They've already gotten 13 years of subscription $$ from you.
On a related note, I must be one of the few who have never touched Netflix :D :O
 
I am “completely satisfied” no longer subscribing to Netflix and having Plex, sonarr, and radarr be a better replacement that actually has everything
 
I really wonder how large piracy is. Is is 10% of all viewers? 20%? 50%? It is so easy to get most Netflix stuff for free that I wonder why still so many people buy a subscription. Just for convenience? Or do they feel they have to support Harry and Meghan financially, because they have such a hard life? I think the same of Spotify. If I like a song, I download it from YouTube. Then I have it on my hard disk forever.

What bothers me even more than the money is the data collection. Isn't it creepy that there is a database of everything you watched on Netflix? They even track the pauses you make while watching their content and they also know that you watched the sex scene of a movie 37 times. Imagine all that information leaks one day. I wish Netflix had an option to completely disable tracking. I do not need recommendations from Netflix.

Last week I saw an ad for on app that list all of your subscriptions and they said that many people still pay for subscriptions they had simply forgotten to cancel. That seems to be an American thing: Having so many subscriptions that you lost track on them. How can somebody pay for a monthly service and forget about it? How many subscriptions do those people have? Imagine they would invest all that money until they are 60 or so. That would easily be a six digit sum. I have exactly two subscriptions: One for my phone line and one for a web host, where I host several websites for a single subscription that costs 12 Euros per month.
 
That is so few people it's not even a rounding error.
Telegram, torrents, just googling “free streaming”, Disney plus that costs much less and still lets you share passwords, Prime that most people have just to buy on Amazon…
 
Netflix has TV shows and movies to watch? Overpriced and not much of 4K streaming I doubt I would be in any lost when I cancel and only sign as need bases. The more these streaming services start going in this direction the more customers they are going to lose and could lead back to illegal downloading. It sucks when my sis wants to watch at her home that I must pay extra $8 for Netflix to allow her just because her IP at her home does not match the one at our home.

This is dumb and hopefully Netflix dies like Blockbuster.
 
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