It's not the same thing whatsoever Smart guy. They were tweeting out five years ago share your passwords share the love so don't give me that crap the price keeps going up and up the content is mediocre. We pay their bills we are the customer. They expect our money every month regardless well guess what it's going to change.
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Netflix Cracking Down on Password Sharing in Four More Countries, Including Canada
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The limitation is not by location but towards people. You can use Netflix all over the country you live in and even most foreign countries.
I'm pretty sure they'll use device fingerprinting, IP-addresses and maybe even location data to make the decisions. Also they don't have to have a system which works 100%. If Netflix is in doubt they'll just ask the account owner to confirm.
OMG - people need to STOP freaking out... Read wha the changes actually entail.
All Netflix is saying is that if/when you want to watch Netflix on an IP that is not your usual WAN IP in your household, that you use a unique code/process to do so. That will work on the train, on the bus, on vacation, etc.
What you can't do in the future is give your UserID/Password to your friend in another household, and expect it to work without hassle.
Remember that Netflix is a service you pay for, and it is supposed to be for YOUR household only. Netflix is NOT stopping that from working.
That's a false equivelency. It's better to compare them with conventional TV cable providers. My provider allows unlimited access in my house (only limited to the number of TVs I have) and an online service that can be used in up to three devices of my choice.
Netflix has insane rules now. I have two homes (in different countries) and I travel back and forth every couple of months. If I don't want my account to get banned, I need to travel with my Apple TV every month, or pay for two subscriptions. I'm gonna continue paying for it. The day they ban my account, they won't see my money ever again.
Netflix's ToS:
As is the case in many situations where college students and/or military personnel have their household registered as the same as their parents', for purposes of billing, employment information, tax information, medical documents, etc., I'd say that that's an issue, in light of how Netflix plans to enforce their policy (frequent "check-in", device ID, etc). Their "residence" is still the same household; of which they're at semi-frequently, depending on the time of year.
Granted, it's easily solved for technically-minded folks, but not everyone is savvy enough to VPN into their parents' network.
As is the case in many situations where college students and/or military personnel have their household registered as the same as their parents', for purposes of billing, employment information, tax information, medical documents, etc., I'd say that that's an issue, in light of how Netflix plans to enforce their policy (frequent "check-in", device ID, etc). Their "residence" is still the same household; of which they're at semi-frequently, depending on the time of year.
Granted, it's easily solved for technically-minded folks, but not everyone is savvy enough to VPN into their parents' network.
The limitation is per "household" - which is a location - and number of simultaneous streams. It's exactly about location. The whole point about these restrictions is that multiple simultaneous use "all over the country" is not going to be permitted.
Device fingerprinting doesn't help solve the problem of location. And they do need to have a system that works mostly 100%. If this mechanism causes trouble for just a percent or two of their user base, that's a lot of customer support enquiries. They won't be set up to handle such a surge and will just lose customers who become frustrated.
Personally I think they're going to get this spectacularly wrong technically, upset a lot of people operationally, and kill their business. If not to death, then at least to the point where they're so weak they get purchased by one of the other streaming companies.
FWIW I think their pricing model is fundamentally wrong. They require top dollar for highest quality. This causes resentment and people wanting to share that top price between friends. I suspect a great many don't want to consume simultaneously on 4 devices. They just want 4K.
If they offered high quality across the bands, with different numbers of streams being the delineator between bands, their customers would be able to purchase what they want to purchase, and would be far less driven to feel the need to share.
I want streaming services to produce quality content that is worth paying for. If they do that, they won't have an issue surviving.
Netflix throws a ton of shows at us to see what sticks. On Monday I loaded it up on my TV for the first time in months and there wasn't a single Netflix original show or movie that I wanted to watch. If they stop producing garbage and make sound business decisions on what their audience wants to see, they'll be fine.
so many netflix bootlickers here.
back to torrenting <3
back to torrenting <3
"4.2. The Netflix service and any content accessed through our service are for your personal and non-commercial use only and may not be shared with individuals beyond your household unless otherwise allowed by your subscription plan. During your Netflix membership, we grant you a limited, non-exclusive, non-transferable right to access the Netflix service and Netflix content through the service. Except for the foregoing, no right, title or interest shall be transferred to you. You agree not to use the service for public performances."
There is nothing about household as a location but household as a group of people.
"4.3. You may access the Netflix content primarily within the country in which you have established your account and only in geographic locations where we offer our service and have licensed such content. The content that may be available will vary by geographic location and will change from time to time. The number of devices on which you may simultaneously watch depends on your chosen subscription plan and is specified on the "Account" page."
You are explicitly granted the right to access content in your own country.
I cancelled after being a highest-tier member for 12 years.
I asked my parents (don't know how to use Netflix)
I asked my brother and his wife (they have some bundle now).
I asked my cats (they find the content boring)
I asked myself (I can't multitask well enough to watch more than one stream)
If its not 4K it's not streaming in my house. So looks like Netflix wanted to lose me as a customer.
Single stream 4K I'll maybe get it for a month here and there. Never again will I be a 365 subscriber nor will I pay for something I can't use.
This is what Netflix clearly wanted.
I asked my parents (don't know how to use Netflix)
I asked my brother and his wife (they have some bundle now).
I asked my cats (they find the content boring)
I asked myself (I can't multitask well enough to watch more than one stream)
If its not 4K it's not streaming in my house. So looks like Netflix wanted to lose me as a customer.
Single stream 4K I'll maybe get it for a month here and there. Never again will I be a 365 subscriber nor will I pay for something I can't use.
This is what Netflix clearly wanted.
Netflix already limits you by the amount of streams you pay for. They are willing to penalize their paying customers it seems. I will not pay them to hassle me every 31 days. Netflix just ended our 14 yr. relationship.
Yes if they had a reasonably priced single stream 4K, we might consider staying. Only resubbed for a month after a decade because my wife loves Matilda and wanted to watch the musical.
"Really irritating your paying customers" is a very odd business strategy.
Good luck with that Netflix
You aren't selling something essential.
In fact, everyone will be just fine if you're flat out "gone".
Good luck with that Netflix
You aren't selling something essential.
In fact, everyone will be just fine if you're flat out "gone".
This is the answer. I have DirecTV Stream which allows unlimited streams on my home network and three while away from home. Perfect for when I go away from time to time.
The other annoying thing about NF Pricing is I don't mind ads within reason, but they limit other thing. Put 4K on all tiers already, and don't limit content. I get HBO Max w/ads for $5/mo with no content limits and 4K. And the ads aren't even that bad. Like 30s a few times during a movie. I can blink and miss it. Not like some with 2-5m blocks.
How are they gonna track people? I don’t want Netflix snooping on my devices. A device in a hotel/vacation home doesn’t have a person.
They will require you to connect that device to a "home" network/router every 30 days, or get a code via a device that has connected to the "home" router in the past 30 day (phone?)...
They're removing the convenance part of keeping a streaming service 365 days a year, rather than renewing from time to time when you actually want to watch.
I watch Netflix more on the AppleTV packed away in gear bag that I only use in hotel rooms.. having to either unpack my gear bag every month and repack it, or jump through whatever hoops involved in getting a code... meh.. I don't work for them, they work for me.. I'll cancel and rent a movie on iTunes instead, or rewatch some MST3K or Classic Doctor Who on PlutoTV for free.
SMFH
Moves like this, to me, indicate a company getting desperate and in likely terminal decline (eventually - not overnight)
Exactly. Even 5 minutes per hour isn't that bad. And most services let you pay more to not have ads if you so desire.
On the other hand... broadcast TV has 16 minutes of ads per hour! And there's no way to pay more to remove ads.
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So here's a question I've had about all this.
I pay for the 2 simultaneous screen account tier and I have a vacation property with a smart TV that is logged into my Netflix. If my significant other and I are watching separate things at home at the same time, its fine. Now if my significant other goes out to my vacation property a few days before me and we watch something at the same time, now its suddenly not fine because its password sharing across households?
I just struggle with all of this because if you pay for 2 simultaneous screens, who cares where those simultaneous screens are. An apartment with multiple roommates can have 2 totally unrelated people watching their own thing in their own rooms on a shared account and that's just fine, but 2 related people can't watch their own thing in their own homes because that's now password sharing? Where is the line drawn?
I'm not trying to argue for 1 person giving their password to 20 friends, but 2 people using their account at 2-3 properties associated with them shouldn't be an issue.
I pay for the 2 simultaneous screen account tier and I have a vacation property with a smart TV that is logged into my Netflix. If my significant other and I are watching separate things at home at the same time, its fine. Now if my significant other goes out to my vacation property a few days before me and we watch something at the same time, now its suddenly not fine because its password sharing across households?
I just struggle with all of this because if you pay for 2 simultaneous screens, who cares where those simultaneous screens are. An apartment with multiple roommates can have 2 totally unrelated people watching their own thing in their own rooms on a shared account and that's just fine, but 2 related people can't watch their own thing in their own homes because that's now password sharing? Where is the line drawn?
I'm not trying to argue for 1 person giving their password to 20 friends, but 2 people using their account at 2-3 properties associated with them shouldn't be an issue.
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Maybe instead of cracking-down on password sharing in an attempt to make money... Netflix should stop spending $17 billion a year on content that hardly anyone watches.
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