How will this work when you are out of the household and on a different IP address of your cellular/mobile provider? Or is it just for non portable devices like Xbox/Smart TV/Apple TV Box/Mac/Google Chromecast etc.
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As a veteran, even if they do that and it doesn't directly affect me, I'll cancel in a heartbeat.
So when all this comes into place, does that mean Netflix is going to charge me less for the ability to use Netflix on more than one device at a time that I’M ALREADY PAYING MORE FOR?
No? Well then screw you netflix, I’ve had enough of your BS
No? Well then screw you netflix, I’ve had enough of your BS
Such a lovely time to bait and switch (Netflix actively encouraged sharing at one point) your customers when inflation is at 40 year highs and a recession is looming. Yeah, great way to endear yourself to customers who will very soon be making decisions on what things to cut from their budget, if they aren't evaluating that already.
Your "every other streamer" argument remains to be seen. Apple for one, surely won't. Disney is a coin toss. Paramount seems to have already learned not to step on customer good will the hard way. So what's left? Hulu? HBO? HBO for one doesn't seem to really care. Hulu will likely follow Disney.
No, but I still have the full use of my personal library (analagous to Netflix's catalog) other than the book I've loaned. Same with my DVD library.
Exactly. Legally speaking, a college student or military member's residence is the home they grew up in or left to enlist/commission in the military. As a college student, or as a military member, the address on my driver's license is the one I had before becoming a student or active duty/activated reserve.
That is the definition. Not where you are physically located at a given time (speaking at Citysnaps and GizmoDuck here). What happens if you deploy to Korea for 18 months? Are you supposed to get a 2nd Netflix account due to military obligations? Preposterous.
The terns and conditions say household, and don't specifically define it beyond that.
Curious...are you an attorney and bar member? If so what specifically is the area of law you practice?
What is a Netflix Household?
A Netflix account is meant to be shared with people who live in the same location with the account owner.
help.netflix.com
And yet when a college student applies for financial aid, they are counted as part of their parental household, regardless of whether they live at home or not. And not just as freshmen.
When I was in the military, my home of record, my household, was still my parents' address until I left the military's service. My driver's license was always the state I joined in, my tabs on my car were optionally in my home state or the state I was physically in. When I deployed, my household and legal address were still back home.
There are a LOT of exceptions and variations on what legally constitutes a household.
Oh, yes, the logical fallacy of appeal to authority. Let me ask you something, are you? One does not have to be an attorney to understand the law, and to assert such is ludicrous on its face.
Now moving on, I can tell you from personal life experience as both student and service member that what I say is factual. What specific experience do you have to be so vocally assured of your position?
No. I'm just a simple photographer and engineer. Thus I would never claim to be "Legally speaking...", about anything.
Well, how is location being defined? Same city, same state? Country? It doesn't necessarily delineate "same roof". That kind of vague language is part of the problem.What is a Netflix Household?
A Netflix account is meant to be shared with people who live in the same location with the account owner.
That's your opinion. I can speak on what is legal in terms of casual conversation. Were you heading in to a court case, I would advise you to retain counsel along with what I said earlier.
Nuance/context is just as important in forming a valid, cogent argument as the content. As an fellow engineer, I would expect you would have learned some of that in college, even if you avoided any debate or philosophy courses you still had to take discrete mathematics and evaluate truth tables in a sense.
As someone stated earlier, 4k is table stakes these days. Not one other streaming service in the U.S. charges extras for 4k. One might bring up Vudu, but you're actually purchasing the content, not the service, much like Blu-Ray costs more than DVD.
We're getting into the realm of Intellectual Property here, which is a whole different ball game from physical possessions. It used to be copyright and patents were both limited to a specific time period, and then their subject become public domain. These days, at least with copyright, it can keep being extended.
Well, from your "Legally speaking...", I guess that could be anyplace in the world.
I'm just spitballing, but I imagine most people would define "people who live in the same location with the account owner" as being in the same housing unit (home, apartment, condo, trailer, dorm, jail, etc.).
I don't know anyone who would think a household extends to city or state boundaries. I guess your view would be everyone who lives in San Francisco could use Netflix under one account as the city could be a household.
Netflix further states: "People who are not in your household will need to sign up for their own account to watch Netflix."
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Yes. And they define household as people living in one "location", but are entirely vague about defining location as to whether it is within the 4 walls of your home, the same street, etc. One could argue they are implying certain things and I wouldn't entirely disagree, but this whole "let's be vague or even contradictory" scenario has been going on for years and literally contributed to, if not altogether created, the current problem.
Funny, your college student child can live on the other side of the country, but when applying for federal financial aid for attending school in that location is still *legally* included as part of your household for calculating household income until they graduate/stop attending said university. They even register to vote in the home state. Now, you can argue that they *could* register to vote in the state they are in during the school year, and that is true, but the financial aid thing doesn't change unless they graduate, drop out, or get married.
Same goes for military members that joined from home or college. Driver's license, voter registration, etc. all remain in the home state.
So maybe household is a bit vague? That's my point. You can harp on the *legally speaking* all you like, it's not really going to be the irritant you seem to want it to be. I've already explained context and nuance being a part of this, and the fact we aren't talking judicial proceedings here. So if you are really the one person going to court over this, then let me advise you to retain an attorney for that.
With that said, this is basic stuff for the day to day living. It's perfectly fair in this context to say whether something is generally lawful or not given that nobody is getting arrested, prosecuted, or sued here.
My entire point is that the language is too vague and is contributing, if it hasn't outright created it (along with Netflix's contradictory positions over time). It's a problem of their own creation and their attempts to fix it are being viewed as punitive or worse extortionate. Given that their subscription model is still locked in the 90's, and their programming has suffered greatly over the years, this is really a bad move. Netflix could solve this easily by following the model most of their competitors have already leaned in to, which is charge for number of actual streams, or allow family sharing with accounts joined to your family group regardless of geographical location.
Thanks. Got it.
Everyone in San Francisco can watch Netflix under one account because, in your legal opinion, household and location are ill-defined. Therefore San Francisco can be a household.
so, they did the right thing? less cost for netlix for people stealing signal who would never pay their share?
Good luck convincing courts about definition of household with a generic same location.What is a Netflix Household?
A Netflix account is meant to be shared with people who live in the same location with the account owner.
if every one in San Francisco are paying taxes as dependent under single one big family. Or Universities treat them as one household. Is Netflix an IRS now? To arbitrarily define what an household is in the US?
The fact Netflix is trying out this crackdown in smaller markets shows they are testing waters. Let them pull this move in US, UK or India.
Finally an absolute excuse to get us to cancel the subscription and just stick with Amazon. This renders the service literally useless for our use case.
People can argue what they want to argue, and I’m free to think it’s preposterous to do so.
I would think all persons who have the same address on a government issued id are considered to be in the same household for purposes of Netflix. Now how Netflix handles a dispersed household remains to be seen.