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I used to do this, now I just don’t renew anymore, too expensive for my taste. Still think Netflix is decent value compared to back in days where you could rent 2 DVDs for a few days at blockbuster lol
The streaming I am stuck with are the bundles. Amazon Prime and Apple One good examples. I factor those streaming portion of bundles costs for the streaming budget. Others watch cancel. I always have a couple of streaming choices. Which gives me the options to easily cancel the others.
 
These are global stats. Throw up the US stats. While there is a world outside the US, it is of no consequence to me for the purpose of this discussion.
Netflix doesn't break out U.S. subscriber numbers by themselves anymore (not since 2016), so I don't know where you're getting this info from. Netflix has been reporting the U.S. and Canada together under UCAN since the start of 2017.

Looking at those figures I still don't see this "rapid" loss of subscribers you're referring to.

At the end of 2018, total UCAN (U.S. and Canada) subscribers was 64.76 million.
At the end of 2019, total UCAN (U.S. and Canada) subscribers was 67.66 million.
At the end of 2020, total UCAN (U.S. and Canada) subscribers was 73.94 million.
At the end of 2021, total UCAN (U.S. and Canada) subscribers was 75.22 million.
At the end of 2022, total UCAN (U.S. and Canada) subscribers was 74.30 million.

So Netflix saw a decline of less than 1 million users at the end of 2022 vs the end of 2021. That's a 1.22% decline. Is this the "rapid" loss you're referring to? 🤣

If you had said UCAN subscriber growth is slowing, then I would have agreed with you. But that's because the U.S. and Canada market is saturated and has more competition than international markets.


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Well, T-Mobile is still paying my Netflix bill, so if I need to pay a few $$ for my son to share my account, no worries.
 
Look at it again. The growth percent doesn’t correspond to net paid subscribers. It looks like the growth is based on free offerings with partners?
I think you ought to look at the numbers again. They're still increasing subscribers year-over-year whether that's internationally, in the U.S. and Canada (see above), or worldwide. The trajectory is still moving higher.
 
Netflix doesn't break out U.S. subscriber numbers by themselves anymore (not since 2016), so I don't know where you're getting this info from. Netflix has been reporting the U.S. and Canada together under UCAN since the start of 2017.

Looking at those figures I still don't see this "rapid" loss of subscribers you're referring to.

At the end of 2018, total UCAN (U.S. and Canada) subscribers was 64.76 million.
At the end of 2019, total UCAN (U.S. and Canada) subscribers was 67.66 million.
At the end of 2020, total UCAN (U.S. and Canada) subscribers was 73.94 million.
At the end of 2021, total UCAN (U.S. and Canada) subscribers was 75.22 million.
At the end of 2022, total UCAN (U.S. and Canada) subscribers was 74.30 million.

So Netflix saw a decline of less than 1 million users at the end of 2022 vs the end of 2021. That's a 1.22% decline. Is this the "rapid" loss you're referring to? 🤣

If you had said UCAN subscriber growth is slowing, then I would have agreed with you. But that's because the U.S. and Canada market is saturated and has more competition than international markets.


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After years of strong growth, yes, if I were running Netflix I would be concerned with a 1.2% year over year decline. We will see what 2023 brings! Anyway, I appreciate you posting this information.
 
I have to laugh at all the moaning and groaning, most people that comment in a Netflix thread are no longer using it in the first place. Even if you have their $20 service you can stop or restart it as needed. Max will soon a $20 a month service. Either has a lot more content then what people pay for through satellite or cable hosts and those robber/barons charge way more then pitiful $20 that streaming hosts cost per month. It's still the way most want streaming to be they get to pick different commercial hosts and watch what they want.

I guess you couldn't be bothered to read my entire post?

I made it quite clear that I'd been keeping our Netflix subscription, even though it's rarely used, because it was *convenient* for me and my family to use when we wanted to use it.

These changes will make using a service, that I'm paying for in good faith, *inconvenient*? It will make us jump through hoops and do *chores* to maintain the privilege of using a service we're PAYING for..

Frak that.

So, yes, at best, it will join the list of services that we may think about subscribing for a month at a time once a year or so... It will no longer be a little used gym membership that never gets canceled.. it will become a non-expense .. as time moves on, the money will be spent elsewhere. It may not be resubscribed to at all?

As a business owner, I look at any customers having that type of reaction as a negative. I'd be ashamed if my customers felt that way about my business.

If I were a Netflix shareholder, I don't think I'd find that reaction to be a good thing?

Shrug.

But, as I said, Netflix seems content to see me and my family spend our money at the local short track instead of Netflix.

Good riddance.
 
The article says “There are allowances for travel or second homes, with Netflix requiring users to open the Netflix app at the primary location once per month.” So at least there’s that?
My question, is why, as a paying customer, should I be required to do *chores* and jump through hoops in order to continue to use a service that I'm paying for in good faith?

Better question: Why would anyone tolerate that bull butter? Has everyone lost their minds?

These services are supposed to be more convenient than you know, renting content from Apple/Amazon or a dvd from a kiosk? As soon as they remove the convenience, they remove a large portion of the value of the service.

I find it hard to believe that so many people. including people actually being paid at Netflix, can't wrap their brains around that idea...

Sigh
 
My question, is why, as a paying customer, should I be required to do *chores* and jump through hoops in order to continue to use a service that I'm paying for in good faith?

Better question: Why would anyone tolerate that bull butter? Has everyone lost their minds?

These services are supposed to be more convenient than you know, renting content from Apple/Amazon or a dvd from a kiosk? As soon as they remove the convenience, they remove a large portion of the value of the service.

I find it hard to believe that so many people. including people actually being paid at Netflix, can't wrap their brains around that idea...

Sigh
You find it hard to believe that maybe it’s not really going to be an issue?
 
Like I said earlier, their business, their choice. The consequences will be what they will be. I, for one, won’t pay more than I am now to keep the same level of functionality I have now.
Well put. They can charge however they want and we can react accordingly. We will see whether this is a good move for them or not. I want to drop Netflix, but it is the go to streaming service for the rest of my family. Right now we use my parents’ account as does my daughter away at college. We will likely get our own account. I assume we can set my daughter up for free with the vacation home option. My parents don’t use this much, so they may drop Netflix.
 
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So how does watching shows on the go work?

Will people still be able to use Netflix while commuting on the train? What about when they travel and are staying in a hotel?

Or is Netflix becoming cable and can only work at a single service address?
Yes. You need to have logged in to your home network once per month with the device that is travelling.. Not sure what happens if you are travelling longer than a month.
 
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It’s stealing when the owner decides to call it stealing but used to encourage the behavior to boost “active user” metrics for investors?
In fact, it is. Stealing is taking something without the permission of the owner. If a store used to encourage taking free straws (or anything else), for example, it IS stealing if they no longer offer that deal and you take it anyway.
 
In fact, it is. Stealing is taking something without the permission of the owner. If a store used to encourage taking free straws (or anything else), for example, it IS stealing if they no longer offer that deal and you take it anyway.
Are you really comparing free straws to something that's being paid for?

Stealing implies I'm depriving someone of something. How is it stealing when I'm paying for a subscription plan that offers 4 continuous streams and I'm not using more than 4 streams at any one time? Who am I depriving of a stream that I'm paying for?

If I have 1 stream running in the living room, 1 stream running in the master bedroom, 1 stream running in the kitchen, and 1 stream running in the basement, that's 4 continuous streams.

If I have 1 stream running in the living room, 1 stream running in the master bedroom, 1 stream running in the kitchen, and 1 stream running on my kids iPad in her dorm room 350 miles away, that's also 4 continuous streams.

If I have 1 stream running in the living room, 1 stream running in the master bedroom, 1 stream running on my kids iPad in her dorm room 350 miles away, and 1 stream running on my friend's tv who lives 5 house down, that's also 4 continuous streams.

Why does it make a difference where the streaming is taking place when I'm paying for all 4 streams?
 
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Are you really comparing free straws to something that's being paid for?

Stealing implies I'm depriving someone of something. How is it stealing when I'm paying for a subscription plan that offers 4 continuous streams and I'm not using more than 4 streams at any one time? Who am I depriving of a stream?

If I have 1 stream running in the living room, 1 stream running in the master bedroom, 1 stream running in the kitchen, and 1 stream running in the basement, that's 4 continuous streams.

If I have 1 stream running in the living room, 1 stream running in the master bedroom, 1 stream running in the kitchen, and 1 stream running on my kids iPad in her dorm room 350 miles away, that's also 4 continuous streams.

If I have 1 stream running in the living room, 1 stream running in the master bedroom, 1 stream running on my kids iPad in her dorm room 350 miles away, and 1 stream running on my friend's tv who lives 5 house down, that's also 4 continuous streams.

Why does it make a difference where the streaming is taking place when I'm paying for all 4 streams?
Because the terms of the Netflix agreement limit sharing to one physical household. You are paying for up to 4 simultaneous users in the house. Any other use is not allowed and therefore would be "stealing." Whether Netflix previously advertised the practice or not, is not relevant, since they are not permitting it now. (And, I suspect their agreement never allowed it, even when their advertising department promoted it.)
 
Because the terms of the Netflix agreement limit sharing to one physical household. You are paying for up to 4 simultaneous users in the house. Any other use is not allowed and therefore would be "stealing."
That is called a violation of their Terms of Use (ToS), not stealing.

Violating the ToS and stealing are not the same thing. They're not even remotely close to being the same thing.
 
That is called a violation of their Terms of Use (ToS), not stealing.

Violating the ToS and stealing are not the same thing. They're not even remotely close to being the same thing.
Technically it would be breach of a contract, a civil violation, enforceable in court, but not a crime. That is why I put stealing in quotes. But it is still a taking without permission in violation of a contract.
 
They are lying. TONS of people in Canada have cancelled. They are just making up numbers to do it elsewhere.

Cancel your accounts go to another streaming service


Their greed has gone too far

Lots of other great services for much less.
 
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They are lying. TONS of people in Canada have cancelled. They are just making up numbers to do it elsewhere.

Cancel your accounts go to another streaming service


Their greed has gone too far

Lots of other great services for much less.
It's not greed. They are looking at boosting their income the best way they think they can.
 
According to recent reports, Netflix plans to expand its crackdown on password sharing to the United States in the second quarter of 2023. This move comes as the streaming giant aims to boost its subscriber growth and revenue by encouraging more people to sign up for their own accounts rather than sharing passwords with others.

While password sharing has long been a common practice among Netflix users, the company has been taking steps to limit this behavior in recent years. In March 2022, Netflix launched a test in certain countries that prompted users to verify their account with a text message or email code if they were detected to be sharing their password with others.
 
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