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I don’t see how the streaming services can make money long term. The business model doesn’t make sense to me — it encourages consumption, but you have to keep offering new content, which will continue to cost more, leading to lower profit, leading to higher consumer prices to make up for the lost profit. At what point does the consumer wake up and step out of this doom loop?

The streaming service business model is much like that for other subscription products which have been around for ages. If it largely worked for those products, why couldn't it work for streaming services?
 
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The streaming service business model is much like that for other subscription products which have been around for ages. If it largely worked for those products, why couldn't it work for streaming services?

Because people hit a hard limit on the number of things they can subscribe to at once. It’s already crazy out of control and getting worse. The subscription model will collapse at some point if it keeps going like it’s going now.
 
My mommy pays for the netflix and she doesn't care about the raise so...
 
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Because people hit a hard limit on the number of things they can subscribe to at once. It’s already crazy out of control and getting worse. The subscription model will collapse at some point if it keeps going like it’s going now.
As long as people are addicted to their “shows” - not a chance.
 
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I just subscribe monthly and move around. Netflix for a month, prime for a month, criterion, crave, etc. Only so much time in the day. No need for more than one at a time. Save a bundle.
I’m wondering when they will come up with a decent deterrent for ss hopping? I think NetFlix has tried by deleting your history but I haven’t been back to check.

Maybe the killer app would be a service that tracks your preferences across ss and uses your history to help manage/direct where to go next or highlight which shows have new seasons awaiting consumption?

I tend to stick with one ss until I have a reason to switch. For now I have a free Amazon Prime account which is a steady feed of old network series.

We frequently live in different countries and forcing my spouse and I into separate NetFlix subscriptions coupled with constant price hikes was the last straw. We will be back eventually for a while.
 
Hmmm. My old mac mini with Plex Pass and Transloader on my Apple devices, make for a very interesting and calm sea - you if know what I mean 😉
 
Again?? It's pure greed, that's all it is. All of them. I saw this morning Discovery+ is raising their rates also. So..I expect another price hike for Disney, Hulu, etc etc

The only streaming service I have came with Amazon Prime (Prime Video) and THAT price will go up in 2024...if I wish to view ad-free content. All about the commercials....Don't get me started with the trash TV filled with a billion ads, most of them the RX ads that make me mental SkyRizi, Oh-Oh-Ozempic, Jardiance...etc etc. 🙄
 
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Company produces something you want. You’re not willing to pay for it. So it justifies stealing? And people are upvoting you? Shake my head.
Pirating is great because it’s giving the finger to the corporate greed. If these apps are going to be only for the elite then they don’t need us poor people. They’ll learn that there’s more poor than rich and their business model won’t survive on catering to the users with more money. College students are a giant percent of users and they can’t afford these prices.
 
How has Netflix been, in your words, "struggling with their business model for years"? Netflix and Hulu are the only streaming services that have made a profit.

Their words, not mine. It's Netflix themselves saying their job is to figure out ways to prevent people from cancelling their subs. They have plateaued. Businesses that aren't struggling are not constantly figuring out ways to prevent people from leaving them. Crackdown on password sharing demonstrates they're out of ideas. Zero innovation at Netflix, they're in the position they're in because they can afford to license shows. There is nothing they produce that people are jumping to sub to Netflix specifically. "Suits" proved that because that's the number one show on Netflix, something they had no part in. Why do you think they said they're not going to fund big budget movies anymore? Because it doesn't bring people to the platform.

Again, that's what THEY are saying inside the company.
 
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After canceling about a year ago I only rejoined because I don't get wifi at my job. $20 a month to store downloaded content on my iPad sounds more favorable than 'sticking it' to Netflix and their outrageous prices.
 
Company produces something you want. You’re not willing to pay for it. So it justifies stealing? And people are upvoting you? Shake my head.





Netflix is adding more subscribers. No worries.

Give me the downvotes macrumors forum members.
The High and mighty have spoken!! Speak For us all brother!!!! You are my hero!!! That’s why I downvoted you ;)
 
WAAAAAY back in the day you could subscribe to a pay TV service and that would NEVER contain advertising.........

OR

if you wanted "free" TV you watched OTA with a bunch of commercials.

Now we are told that you have to suffer with ads PLUS pay monthly fees for it. This is especially true with traditional cable TV..........

There is plenty of opportunity for streaming services to offer either a totally free ad only supported tier or a subscription only tier. Most only go half way on the free side.

They can easily make money either way if they price and structure it appropriately even with increased expenses for content after the labor settlements.

These services will always whine about costs, viewership etc.... but the market will determine who survives and wins out. Innovative pricing models and other content strategies will be the determining factors.
 
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Because people hit a hard limit on the number of things they can subscribe to at once. It’s already crazy out of control and getting worse. The subscription model will collapse at some point if it keeps going like it’s going now.
Totally agree. They rise the prices because they are not profitable with current amount of users. And user base is not growing fast enough, so they are losing investors. Rising the prices is the only way, but it also will force some part of the user base to unsubscribe which will lead to rising the prices again and so on. This eventually will lead to collapse.
 
Here’s my take on subscription prices going way up (more than inflation), and it’s a socio-economic one. Back in the good old days of the US of A, you had three classes: low-income, middle class, the rich. Back to today, the middle class is pretty much gone. The lucky ones with good jobs are paid like the riches, the rest is now on minimum wage or worse, homeless.
The companies providing us services know that and they know that the subscribers who are on the low-end of the income spectrum are going to flee anyway. The customers they’re interested in are the ones who just spend money and don’t care how much they spend. I happen to know a few of them, when I go visit them and want the kids to watch TV they tell me they have “everything” which usually include Netflix, Hulu, Disney+, AppleTV+ and a few more. Rarely sports by the way (yes they're the "intellectual" types and have good jobs paying outrageous amounts of money). When I ask which subscriptions they have, they answer evasively because they actually don’t remember which services they pay. And when I ask what they watch, they either answer that they actually don’t watch anything or maybe one show/serie and that’s it! No time to watch, work, work, work…
And there’s the miracle of subscriptions… and these are the customers the Netflix of the world want, the ones who will pay any price for anything and for the long run because after a few months they don’t know they’re paying.
 
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Here’s my take on subscription prices going way up (more than inflation), and it’s a socio-economic one. Back in the good old days of the US of A, you had three classes: low-income, middle class, the rich. Back to today, the middle class is pretty much gone. The lucky ones with good jobs are paid like the riches, the rest is now on minimum wage or worse, homeless.
The companies providing us services know that and they know that the subscribers who are on the low-end of the income spectrum are going to flee anyway. The customers they’re interested in are the ones who just spend money and don’t care how much they spend. I happen to know a few of them, when I go visit them and want the kids to watch TV they tell me they have “everything” which usually include Netflix, Hulu, Disney+, AppleTV+ and a few more. Rarely sports by the way (yes they're the "intellectual" types and have good jobs paying outrageous amounts of money). When I ask which subscriptions they have, they answer evasively because they actually don’t remember which services they pay. And when I ask what they watch, they either answer that they actually don’t watch anything or maybe one show/serie and that’s it! No time to watch, work, work, work…
And there’s the miracle of subscriptions… and these are the customers the Netflix of the world want, the ones who will pay any price for anything and for the long run because after a few months they don’t know they’re paying.
Yeah. Their ideal customer base is a single user who pays $10 billion a year for subscription.
 
Pay extra for HD, most expensive of all streaming services, price hikes without increasing content quality, only 3 good games in the compulsory gaming subscription!

I’m out
 
Well if you like Netflix and want to pay the writers what’s a few dollars?
I am not paying for Netflix for 2 years and I am building my private library.
bought my favorite movies and soon I will get to tv show disk.
from the way I look at it, streaming services should not be your main way of consuming media it should be there when you get tired of your library.
 
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I just subscribe monthly and move around. Netflix for a month, prime for a month, criterion, crave, etc. Only so much time in the day. No need for more than one at a time. Save a bundle.
Exactly this , plus you can get unlimited free trials if you plan your subs correctly and use von plus codes rather than cards.
 
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