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New 13-Inch MacBook Pro Announced With Magic Keyboard, 10th-Gen Processors, Up to 32GB RAM and 4TB SSD, and More
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Fair points,
I honestly think the mini LED is one of the few outliers pushing the release out to 2021, but i'm hoping I'm proved wrong. In fact reports claim that suppliers are already receiving Mini LED orders from Apple--so this coupled with the claim that mini LED iPad/iMac releases are already planned for this year make it seem like MBP could benefit from the push and get the 2020 treatment. Of course it's all speculation (though relatively credible).
While I would agree with the current global economic standpoint too, Apple's stratagem doesn't seem to take it into consideration all that much given the amount of releases we've seen this year already, so i'm not sure how far that would derail any future releases (covid-related supply shortages notwithstanding). I'unno, the 2020 update provides a more than capable machine I concede (on the higher end anyway), I just feel that it really doesn't generate enough of a refreshed user experience to warrant the purchase: namely, Face ID, webcam update, etc. A man can dream.
Only reason no AMD is they'll go ARM - no point in wasting engineering resources on AMD when it's only a temporary path until ARM machines arrive.
I might get a small MBA to tide me over, or keep my ancient MBP for a bit longer until the ARM machines arrive.
These are all basically "we fixed the keyboard now" models. Keyboard alone should make this release a no-brainer for Apple as keyboard replacement programs are expensive and at this point must be eating up a big chunk of the profits on these computers.
I might get a small MBA to tide me over, or keep my ancient MBP for a bit longer until the ARM machines arrive.
These are all basically "we fixed the keyboard now" models. Keyboard alone should make this release a no-brainer for Apple as keyboard replacement programs are expensive and at this point must be eating up a big chunk of the profits on these computers.
It's always been the same camera & I'd wager the 2020 13" MBP is no different. It's rubbish. Wait for the incoming reviews to see what they say about it...
I would stretch to $1799 and get the base 4 TB3 ports model with 2.0GHz Core i5/16GB DRAM/512GB SSD and call it a day. Wait for a small discount in the coming weeks if the stretch is too much to accommodate now (Amazon/B&H/Adorama). I just think you'll get way more life out of that model for the extra $200 versus the lower end models that have only 2 Thunderbolt 3 ports.
If $1600 is the absolute max, then the $1499 model with 1.4GHz Core i5/8GB/512GB SSD and bump up to the 16GB BTO option for an extra $100. Just my 2¢.
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I think any of those items that you are asking for won't come until Apple introduces and Arm-based MacBook Pro. So, if you're excited by that prospect, then get ready. If you want that stuff on an Intel-based model, I wouldn't get my hopes up.
Yep, although the bashing is even worse over at Macintouch, where is is curated and lovingly encouraged. And, in fact, if you post something positive about Apple, it often won't get approved.
They are moving to get out of the general purpose computer market. They are dumping folks that create and building an ecosystem for those that only consume. People that want performance aren't buying Apple. By dumping the power users, they can also insulate themselves from direct comparisons - apple has steadily come off on the short end of the stick on that for almost a decade now.
ARM based Macs are going to be stuck with iOS software for at least the 2 years or so. That is how software development works. The guinea pigs are going to be running version 1 hardware with version 1 software - good luck with that.
OTOH, you will be able to run Candy Crush on your ARM based Mac, so I guess it isn't a total loss.....
Most software houses will drop Mac support. It won't be worth their time to port, then test, then support it.
Ah, I so hope that's not the case. Of course ARM-based processors would cut costs, allowing for Apple to retain their price point while providing the upgrades users like myself are griping over. Boy, but then you're dealing with the on-boarding woes of a new product and that certainly gives pause.
Semantics. No one here mistook me for suggesting there were three seperate or dedicated models. Mid-level option could mid "mid tier configuration" all the same.
What planet are you on?
1080.00 with higher specs and discreet graphics. Like mac’s? So do I, but this is over twice as much. Lets not be dishonest.
Intel® Core™ i7-10510U (1.8 GHz, up to 4.9 GHz, 8 MB cache, 4 cores) NVIDIA® GeForce® MX250 (2 GB) 16 GB DDR4 (onboard)
13.3" diagonal FHD IPS BrightView WLED-backlit (1920 x 1080)
512 GB Intel® SSD 32 GB Intel® Optane™ memory
care to point out what mac compares to? Waiting.
Apple. 2000 for similar specs and NO discreet graphics. Again, I have a mac and will stay with them, I won't lie to Myself to better though.
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Well, its either they move to Arm or they hope Intel gets their act together by the time Tiger Lake is released. Despite evidence of AMD-based CPU strings in macOS betas, I think Apple evaluated them and said, “While performance is there, AMD cannot guarantee a reliable enough stream of CPUs to meet contractual obligations, so no”. I think this will all be a phased approach with low-end models being moved over to Arm-based CPUs and new form factors, while still selling Intel-based “Pro” models on a sliding timeframe until they tackle the iMac Pro and Mac Pro level performance models in ~2-3 years.
You still haven’t compared spec for spec. Display tech and resolution? Different CPUs. The GPU you mentioned is widely known to be a power hog and not provide any real world power over Intel integrates graphics. It doesn’t allow gameplay, and video encoding is not any faster. Build quality? Ease of warranty repair?
Bla, bla, bla. You said they cost the same spec for spec.
None of the envy’s here have required warranty and newest is 2017. My Mac has. Just saying, neither are built like they used to be. I started working on computers in the 80’s.
Why would think video Encoding is no faster? I do a lot of video incoding, I borrow a windows discrete gpu for that. It’s very comparable spec for spec with far better gpu. Stop moving the goalposts.
Any perceived difference you Think is there is no way Worth over twice as much. I have a mac and there are 3 hp envy’s here. The newest is a 2017 15” aluminum that cost 900 with 1 tb ssd, 4k display and at the time it took over 3000.00 to touch it in a mac.
I prefer osx, that’s why I stay with it, but people that make excuses for Apple’s prices just look silly. Just be happy with what you buy.
Look at sager, very upgradeable laptops with high specs, much cheaper.
adios, that’s it.
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The HP Envy isn't even on the same level as HPs Spectre lineup, let alone the new MacBook Pro.
What you're doing is looking at paper specs and assuming that they're the same, but even then you're doing a poor job.
For starters, the 10th-gen Core i7 in the 2020 MBP 13 is a 28W 1068G7 that has a base clock of 2.3 Ghz, not the 15W 1065G7 with a base clock of 1.3 Ghz. It's a noticeably faster processor that falls between the desktop-class 35-45W "H" processors and the 1065G7 "U" processors. Even the i5 1038G7 processor on the new 2020 MBP 13 is faster than the i7 1065G7 because the new i5 is also a 28W processor but with a 2.0 Ghz base clock.
Second the MBP 13 Retina display, apart from having a much higher pixel density (~226 DPI) than the HP Envy you're linking, is not even in the same league as far as color accuracy is concerned. The 2020 MBP 13 covers 100% of the DCI-P3 color gamut, and something like 163% of the RGB color gamut. The FHD display on the Envy probably covers 99% of the RGB color gamut, at best.
The Envy is a fine laptop if it meets your needs, but it isn't in the same class as the 2020 MBP 13.
I am willing to wager that the value proposition for owning a Mac remains the same today as it did many years ago, when I chose to go all-in on the Apple ecosystem. While you pay more upfront, my experience is that it more than pays for itself in the form of fewer problems and great productivity overall.
For one, there's macOS, and it seems that people continue to expect that the underlying software ought to ship for free. You are getting a ton of functionality right out of the box, such as screenshot (why does windows continue to make this a separate app?), iMovie, QuickTime, FaceTime, preview, the iWork's apps, plus Apple's own stock apps (calendar, notes, safari, maps, mail, photos). There's also the Mac-only apps such as Final Cut Pro.
Then if you have an iPhone, there's additional synergy between the two, such as airdrop, continuity and iCloud.
Lastly, how many windows laptops do you know even ship with more than 1 or 2 USB-C ports?
Sure, these are more intangible benefits and it's hard to assign a numerical value or score to them the same way I can with hardware specs such as ram or processor speeds, but that doesn't mean they don't matter to the end user. That's the problem with all these comparisons. There is too much focus on specs and not enough on the user experience.
Right, it's actually a smart move on Apple. Release this update which is fine for most, while simultaneously paving the way for the return of a 12-inch ARM-processing Macbook, replacing the current entry-level 13-inch MBP. At least, I could foresee something like this. Of course if that rings true, a 14-inch MBP still using Intel processors could definitely see a Q4 2020 release, but i'm a dreamer, ha.
Another possibility is that Apple may be saving the major refresh for the rumoured ARM laptops, in a bid to sweeten the pot for users who are on the fence but don't want to be stuck with an intel MacBook still sporting the same form factor. The lower costs involved in manufacturing the ARM chips could also be what offsets the higher costs involved in bringing in newer, more expensive tech such as Face-ID or micro-LED, allowing the final product to still cost the same, if not less than an equivalent Intel MacBook.
I couldn't care less for faster SSD speeds. I need hard drive space in my mbp, not an extra couple of seconds. The speed of SSD's from ten years ago is good enough.
Tim Cook can be regarded as smoke and mirrors. That villain is making the Apple brand stink more than ever before from failure of butterfly mechanism and AirPower.
Well, good enough for you. Personally I wouldn't want to have slower SSDs
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People have been saying for years that "this year is just a stop gap" and "next year they'll release super duper new macs!"
It won't happen because this is how they operate with macs, you get crap unless you pay over the top prices for average specs and idiots lap it up.
They do it with iPhones using 750p LCD screens and they do it with macs.
It won't happen because this is how they operate with macs, you get crap unless you pay over the top prices for average specs and idiots lap it up.
They do it with iPhones using 750p LCD screens and they do it with macs.