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Nice work here. That third digit was really throwing me, and seems like something Intel could have shared publicly.
I'm loving the back and fourth over whether Apple messed up by not choosing AMD for this release (spoiler alert they did,) but for the love of god can someone explain to me why laptop benchmarks have to be ****ing videos these days? I really hate this trend. I don't need a video to look at charts and graphs and get a simple interpretation of what they mean. Guess I'm just getting old :/ ... Wait no I'm pretty sure being able to scan a page in 10 seconds is better than spending at least 30 scrubbing the video to get to the parts that I want... 
I'm going to wait for an extra year and see what it will be
I will not buy a LPDDR3 laptop in 2020 it's crazy
I will not buy a LPDDR3 laptop in 2020 it's crazy
Does anybody have an idea what's up with the different kinds of cameras in the MacBook Pro's and Airs?
I gathered they're all 720p, for a while now, and people are upset about it.
But there seem to be different versions.
Is it different sensors, different lenses, or is it just different processing of what's captured?
Apparently the latest one in the 2020 MBA is worse than the 2019 one.
The one in the 16" looks better. Or lets say different at least.
Does anybody know what's up?
Kinda hoping of course that - while still being 720p - the one in this new 13" Pro gives better quality..
I gathered they're all 720p, for a while now, and people are upset about it.
But there seem to be different versions.
Is it different sensors, different lenses, or is it just different processing of what's captured?
Apparently the latest one in the 2020 MBA is worse than the 2019 one.
The one in the 16" looks better. Or lets say different at least.
Does anybody know what's up?
Kinda hoping of course that - while still being 720p - the one in this new 13" Pro gives better quality..
I'm loving the back and fourth over whether Apple messed up by not choosing AMD for this release (spoiler alert they did,) but for the love of god can someone explain to me why laptop benchmarks have to be ****ing videos these days? I really hate this trend. I don't need a video to look at charts and graphs and get a simple interpretation of what they mean. Guess I'm just getting old :/ ... Wait no I'm pretty sure being able to scan a page in 10 seconds is better than spending at least 30 scrubbing the video to get to the parts that I want...
Because the money is in YouTube these days and laptop makers have discovered that YouTubers are fairly good at showcasing their products.
As for Apple messing up by not going AMD, I think Apple are just not nimble enough these days to switch away from Intel when they are planning another switch to their own CPUs in the near(ish) future.
I assume you also will not buy a PC OEM laptop with LPDDR3 memory as well, since there are plenty of those on sale.
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What is your budget? Ideally, how much do you want to spend maximum?
The good reason ... not to reduce space on inverter or cabling used for it within the hinge.
Many laptop manufacturers follow the humdrum complaints for and demands of slimmer bezels. Only to those demanding consumers find out that faulty inverters for their glorious laptops end up failing going fully blank or dark. Apple had this famously with the 2011 MBA to 2012-2015 MBP lineup and since changed the hinge design and layout for the inverter and cables into the screen.
Slimmer bezels ... look nice but we're after daily and longevity of performance not a 1 stop show.
This may clear it up -https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-ice-lake-10-gen-naming-guide,40063.html
Yes, you are right no DDR3 in 2020
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Yes, but then the price is really crazy unfortunately, I will see next year what we will get
Some food for thought:
Last year in May, Apple released a refresh of the 15-inch MBP. Six months later in November, they released an updated 16-inch MBP that blew the earlier 15-inch release out of the water. So for those deciding whether or not to purchase the new 13-inch (and can stand to wait 6 or so months), it might be an idea to just wait it out- especially since the relative conservativeness of this update only adds credence to Apple following suit on last year's release schedule.
Last year in May, Apple released a refresh of the 15-inch MBP. Six months later in November, they released an updated 16-inch MBP that blew the earlier 15-inch release out of the water. So for those deciding whether or not to purchase the new 13-inch (and can stand to wait 6 or so months), it might be an idea to just wait it out- especially since the relative conservativeness of this update only adds credence to Apple following suit on last year's release schedule.
The starting price has been $1799 for 3-1/2 years and with the DRAM and storage doubled, it’s much more reasonable than before.
Where I live it's more than 2k€ after tax so more than 2k5$
The 1400€ option is muche more reasonable for me, but was unfortunately left behind
Not if Apple couldn’t get a big enough supply of 10th Gen CPUs, given that not all 10th Gen have Iris GPUs, there are no 9th Gen 15w or 28w CPUs, which left 8th Gen for a reliable supply. No one seems to mention that Intel never released any 7w, 15w or 28w 9th Gen CPUs for mobile. Maybe Apple wanted segmentation, but I suspect that Intel still cannot supply enough 10nm parts.
Please provide some more reliable testers? I wouldn't trust content from these YouTubers, let alone tests. I'd take a look at my aforementioned link. Let's say though, those tests are correct, it certainly doesn't invalidate the other tests done by the link I provided, therefore, it just shows that Intel even with a four year old architecture is beating this so-called amazing AMD CPU.
We haven't even got started on the fact there's Thunderbolt support (and it's integrated).
The MacBook Pro 16 and Mac Pro (nice wheel kit Apple) are the only really new products on the computer side. The biggest feature on notebook new releases (for the most part) is putting in a keyboard that should have been there all along. They correct a FU and call it New!. Everything else the last few years has been a phone in upgrade.
Exciting pipeline my a**. Heads down creating my a**.
And as usual, most folks here, after seeing the "new" releases, are looking forward to the *next* update. Tim has to love this.
Exciting pipeline my a**. Heads down creating my a**.
And as usual, most folks here, after seeing the "new" releases, are looking forward to the *next* update. Tim has to love this.
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No.
DelayedGratificationGene’s comment is spot on. And it’s yours that’s uneducated because you talk as if “specs” and performance are the same thing. A bunch of numbers on paper are only a fraction of what is needed for performance.
It’s been the same story for 25+ years. Ever since the original iMac after Steve came back, Apple’s specs were always lower on paper than PCs at half the price or less, but they were still faster (look up the MHz myth). Of course part of the reason for that was that comparing PPC MHz to Intel (Pentium etc) MHz was meaningless Because they were fundamentally different architectures. But even since the Intel switch when we can compare similar “specs”on paper, Macs still PERFORM better with the “same” specs.
Why? Because the “specs” are only a small part of the story.
1. The rest of the hardware: There’s a lot more in a computer than CPU, GPU, RAM, storage type, etc. and if you think the rest isn’t important then you should educate yourself. It’s like saying Hyundai’s 2L engine is the same as BMW’s 2L engine. Ludicrous.
Apple doesn’t just cobble together a bunch of parts with certain specs and call it good like the cheap competition do. They spend a lot of time and money on engineering an entire hardware package. And if you look at any of the competitors that give as much attention to engineering the entire hardware package as Apple does, then you find prices are the same or MORE than Apple.
2. Apple’s kernel, OS, development frameworks, and everything on top of those perform better and faster than competition with the same hardware specs. Partly this is because Apple’s OS etc. is just fundamentally better but also because Apple builds their own hardware and software to work together to complement each other better than is possible without that.
In most cases (some specialized exceptions) doing a task on a Mac and doing the same task on a PC with the same hardware, the Mac will do it quicker or better in some other way.
So Apple can keep a cheaper 2-generations old CPU in a *Mac* and it’s still better than its competitors with today’s gen CPU in it. And because of that cost cut it costs us less to buy than if they’d put something more expensive in it. So why should they? Why do they NEED to? What is the problem with fixing the old model’s keyboard and keeping it around?
3. And all of that is before we start talking about the overall user experience. Sure, Apple has screwed up some things (and that’s not unique to Tim - remember MobileMe, antennagate, etc.?) but the overall experience is STILL better than the competition (you think MS, Google, etc don’t screw stuff up?). If you don’t think that’s the case then why do you even care about anything Apple? Why is Apple even a blip on your radar? Why are you (All you complainers) even here?
Lastly, your comment on “same design”? Who cares? The design is renowned as one of the best in the industry - except the keyboard, which... breaking news... they fixed!! Why do they need to change the design NOW?
They most likely do have a 14” and/or ARM (which will most likely start in the MBP 13 and/or Air) and/or some other new design in the works. But It’s just not ready yet. If it’ll be many more months or a year or whatever before they can release it, then what? So they should wait and not fix the keyboard issue until then? Think of the uproar we’d have here if they’re STILL selling butterfly keyboard 13” MBP’s a year after they’ve fixed it on everything else.
So no. They release an update. Fix the keyboard. And double the ram and storage for the same prices while they’re at it, and you’re still going to complain???
Or... perhaps you think they should release the next redesign 14” (or whatever other redesign while it’s still half assed and they haven’t ironed out all the kinks. How’s that going to fly here?
This is what DelayedGratificationGene’s comment is getting at and as I started with its far from uneducated. It’s spot on.
People buy Apple stuff in droves despite all these supposed “deficient specs” because Apple caters to - and delivers for - people who care more about RESULTS than specs.
Meanwhile it’s the people (and their comments) who don’t get that that are “uneducated”.
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Exactly the problem with many people here. Except where you then had the fortitude to ask instead of just assume and complain.
As a result you’ll make a better, educated choice, and contribute something positive to the universe instead of sucking the life out of it. 😉
No one knows. It’s 50/50. They’ve done it once before with iPad 3 / iPad 4, & last year with 15” MBP / 16” MBP. They can definitely do it again.
I mean it sure seem plausible given the credulity and amount of the analysts claiming so, Apple's relative release predictability, and again, by how marginal this update is.
It’s definitely plausible but I don’t think it will happen. If I recall correctly, analysts like Kuo are calling for miniLED to be phased in from late 2020 through 2021. What makes sense is that 16” gets a refresh in late 2020 and 13”/Air gets another refresh in 2021.
Apple is going to continue its slow-drip in the Mac line. There will be big updates ahead for sure. But, for example, I highly doubt we’ll see FaceID introduced at the same time as MiniLED. There is only so much tech Apple can bring to the table at once without increasing price to the point where it affects sales/lowers demand.
On top of this, we are on the brink of a global recession w/ high unemployment, and many companies are bracing for lower demand of products overall. The market isn’t very conducive to new products and there are many supply chain challenges and risks. Not to mention much of Apple’s team working remotely, and the setbacks that come with that (especially when it comes to prototyping hardware).
I think this 2020 13” update was quite solid. Better keyboard, faster RAM (faster than the 16” even), spec bumps all around, and slight improvements to both speakers and microphone. There is likely some thermal improvements too but we won’t know for sure until testing can be done.
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