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It's probably the GPU, not the CPU, that is driving the additional power consumption. The M1 has a great CPU but an OK GPU (much better than Iris Pro, though). The M1 Pro and M1 Max have much better GPUs.
I'm looking forward to the teardown videos of these machines and see the hardware and design.
 
Was surprised this year that the 14 and 16 were pretty much the exact same features. Then afterwards we slowly start learning about differences, 16 has new gaan charger, 16 can't do fast charging over magsafe, 16 gets high power mode. Wish they would announce these in the fine print at order time, since while all seemingly small things, for people deciding between 14 and 16, comes down the the small details if you are plugging into an external monitor anyway most of the time.

Apple has become the equivalent of a dodgy salesman. If they don't explicitly say something then always assume the worst. Same thing with the HDMI being outdated.
 
I thought the 14 can also fast charge with MagSafe if it has the 96W charger; only the base 14 comes with the lower power charger.
16" comes with a 140W charger.

Base 14" 67W charger (does not support fast charging) upgradable and upper model SOC's (10 core) get the 96 for fast charging.
 
So after spending 3,200 grand… I can’t utilize the M1 Max to the fullest potential I upgraded to, because I bought a smaller screen? ?‍♂️

Yeah we'll have to see how much of a performance difference it actually makes but Apple not mentioning this at all during the keynote or even anywhere on the product page before they opened (and even AFTER they started taking) preorders is disappointing and feels like a bit of a bait and switch.

Physicals and thermal efficiency. Crazy stuff.

I don't think anyone's upset about physics, they're upset that Apple omitted any discussion of features not being available on the 14" M1 Max / not being transparent about any differences between the two. Why isn't this at least mentioned somewhere on the spec sheet? For that matter, why are we just now getting official confirmation of "High Performance Mode?"

Small enclosure, that would not be able to handle the thermals. Makes sense to me.

Sure it "makes sense" and if Apple had been upfront about it I don't think anyone would've had an issue.

To be clear, I (and I'd hope most 14" M1 Max buyers) recognized that there was always a very real possibility that the 14" might have a different performance profile under heavy sustained combined CPU/GPU workloads but... this is the kind of difference that belongs in (and would be in if this were any other chip maker) the spec sheet...
 
Was surprised this year that the 14 and 16 were pretty much the exact same features. Then afterwards we slowly start learning about differences, 16 has new gaan charger, 16 can't do fast charging over magsafe, 16 gets high power mode. Wish they would announce these in the fine print at order time, since while all seemingly small things, for people deciding between 14 and 16, comes down the the small details if you are plugging into an external monitor anyway most of the time.
You probably mean the 14" with 67W charger can't do fast charging.
 
Personally, and actually,

(If) I'm planning on spending $2xxx.xx-$6xxx.xx dollars on one of these machines. I'd rather wait for you rich early adopters figure out the nuances for me.

Figure out the good and the bad of each model and processors, then make a purchase decision.

You'll thank me later.
 
Interesting, after all my complaining I have to say the notch is beginning to grow on me.. could be a potential purchase. I need to fully investigate that it will do what I want it to first though.
I do very much appreciate a quiet device without loud fans spinning.
Not only does it disapear in full screen, but if you use dark mode, which turns the menu bar black, you'll never see the notch. No one is talking about this part... all of Apple's promo images and videos show the menu bar in light/color mode, with the notch prominent.
 
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Feels pretty dodgy for apple to have not said this...
"Thankfully" I still couldn't afford the 500$ for the 16" (at my countrie's exchange rate) so my decision was pretty much "locked"...
If the increase in performance will be within a 15% margin, I won't be mad...
But if it will be 20% or more I'll be severly disappointed...
Too expensive laptops even for apple...400$ to go from 32GB to 64GB.
Jesus...
 
Considering the M1 scores 40x higher than the Iris Pro in my 2015 MacBook Pro (523 vs. 21924), the GPU in the M1 is better than OK.
what does the benchmark test?

I'm told the Apple GPU is good for parallel off-CPU compute and hardware accelerated code/decode,... but not good for pushing polygons like a traditional GPU is...
 
Personally, and actually,

(If) I'm planning on spending $2xxx.xx-$6xxx.xx dollars on one of these machines. I'd rather wait for you rich early adopters figure out the nuances for me.

Figure out the good and the bad of each model and processors, then make a purchase decision.

You'll thank me later.
Couldn't agree more. MacRumors will do a lot of the dirty work for you too :)
 
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Not only does it disapear in full screen, but if you use dark mode, which turns the menu bar black, you'll never see the notch.
where did you hear/see that?
Not sure that's true; this is Dark Mode, right?

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Personally, and actually,

(If) I'm planning on spending $2xxx.xx-$6xxx.xx dollars on one of these machines. I'd rather wait for you rich early adopters figure out the nuances for me.

Figure out the good and the bad of each model and processors, then make a purchase decision.

You'll thank me later.
Smart move. I don’t think the 14 inch is going to be affected that much in real world use. Benchmarks, insanely high tasks.. can give it that edge - absolutely.

Feels pretty dodgy for apple to have not said this...
"Thankfully" I still couldn't afford the 500$ for the 16" (at my countrie's exchange rate) so my decision was pretty much "locked"...
If the increase in performance will be within a 15% margin, I won't be mad...
But if it will be 20% or more I'll be severly disappointed...
Too expensive laptops even for apple...400$ to go from 32GB to 64GB.
Jesus...
Bring a 96-100 PD portable charger with you if you’re not working plugged in. Annoying you’d have to do that - but it solves an issue if you’re under heavy workloads.

Your battery would drain quick in this mode anyway and you’d probably need it.
 
Any chance the 2 efficiency cores are just down clocked but can be over clocked?

That would make 0 sense (the potential for OC not them being UC stock).

If the allow x more W in "beast" mode those would be far better spend in clocking the performance core or the GPUs higher,
 
Agreed. This should have been transparent in the specs prior to opening preorder.
While it does suck to be missing out on certain "features", did anyone really preorder either of these computers with the expectation of a high power mode button? It's cool to consider but really the need for such a mode should be so infrequent that it shouldn't matter much.
 
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where did you hear/see that?
I use dark mode now... I'm looking at it... my menu bar is black. It's a little lighter than the black bezel above it, but only because it's not mini-LED. With the new screen, a black menu bar will be as black as the bezel above it, and the notch next to it. So the notch will not be visible....
 
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