Bottom line here folks, only Tim Cook should be happy with a 16 GB base model. That's about it. To argue against 32 GB, as a customer, is rather insane.
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There was no 2 window multitasking - but a simple menu to choose which window to open in 2 window multitasking should not stutter - there were plenty of simple menus in iOS 6.
No, it is because 8gb is too little as a base.
For lots of people 16gb is enough.
For some it isn' t and they buy a 64gb.
And? I collect vintage Macs, and joined my first forum to get help with one of my 1990s Macs so thus i called myself 'Oldmacs'.
So, there was no multitasking in iOS 6, hmmm... Yes, def a better OS, I want it back, now!
Would love to see your data on this one. The number of people who buy each storage level is fairly irrelevant as pletny will buy the baseline iPhone to save money.
Would also love to see your data on 8GB not being enough.
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If you bothered to read what I read before... I said I wouldn't give up the features under iOS 7,8,9 but I do miss the graphical smoothness. My Mini 2 stuttered all over the place since new (Bought March 2015 with iOS 8), where as my iPad 2 didn't start stuttering till iOS 8 really.
It worries me that with stupidly good graphics on iOS devices, Apple can't seem to get its software right.
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I second that. Its not like we're asking Apple to make their flagship iPhone cheaper by $200 or for the baseline to be 128GB of ram, we're simply asking Apple to up the base storage just a bit to 32GB, which is entirely reasonable given how long they've had 16GB of ram, and how much storage prices have dropped and how much more storage people use these days with higher resolution images and video.
I am not arguing.
Your way of thinking will only raise the base price of the base iPhone 7 of 32gb with 50 us.
This is Apple, they can lower the price to 300us, they have s lot of money.
But they won' t...
I don' t agree with that.., but they just won' t....
Sidenote, that's awesome man. I'm fan of vintage macs as well.
With 8gb, you are too limited by the amount of memory already used by the OS. You don' t have enough free space left.
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Ok, that explains a lot....
How? I've owned iPhone 1 - iPhone 6s, I think I'm qualified to speak on Apple's consumer abuse.
Wow! Judgmental?
I have used Macs, then iPods, then iPhones then iPads my whole life... I assume trifid is also a current user.
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Still would work for plenty of people! You have about 5GB of free space irc. 5GB is enough for many people, and you argue that 16GB is still fine given it suits many people, so with your same logic, so is 8GB.
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Nice to find a fellow vintage Mac fan 
The RAM thing is funny, although I do wish for more RAM for my iphone (2GB) I just realised that my '02 iMac which I paid close to $2,200 for, came with 256mb and I upgraded it to an astounding 768mb.
That thing could run photoshop, flash, final cut, illustrator, Office, browse the net, and the RAM was plenty. Now 1GB for a phone is not enough...hmmm
That thing could run photoshop, flash, final cut, illustrator, Office, browse the net, and the RAM was plenty. Now 1GB for a phone is not enough...hmmm
This is so true. I started with the original iPhone and am now up to the 5s. I have always bought the 16 gb and on my 5s, I have 140 songs (enough for a days outing), 35 apps, 60 photos and 6 videos and still have nearly 4 gb left. My phone is not my main consumption device. Different devices for different needs. I have also, my iPad Air 2, iPod shuffle and an earlier iPod. I still have my original iPod that is still working and just play with it from time to time.
My primary use for my phone is ...uh..a phone, quick email reads and a GPS device for my work travels.
Not really hard to switch out tunes, but if I need more, I can just take my shuffle.
Yes, that's pretty much what I do. But, I'm also informed on this enough to realize that with bigger apps and higher-rez camera and such, that 16GB isn't enough. It works for *ME*. But, that's missing what I (we) are arguing.
We're arguing that Apple should do the right thing, so as to keep their reputation of putting user-experience first intact, so they have a successful future.
Not like OS X, but it's slipping in terms of UI and especially UX. Yes, there are a lot of cool features, and it does more, but it's not nearly as well though through and it's smoothness and such are far worse. Then, add the 'flat' design silliness on top of that, where you've got lots of arbitrary icons with no undo, or just text here or there that may or may not be buttons, etc. and IMO, yes, it has gone downhill some.
Last I heard it was $8, but that was a while back. It's probably quite a bit less by now.
And, likewise, I don't mind paying for it at all... my concern is for those who don't know better and don't pay the $100 to get the 64GB (which is a lot of their customers).
I have no issue with change done well. I don't like change for change's sake. And, I don't like poor design. Pretty simple really. The felt and such might have been a bit cheesy, but at least the UIs were well thought out.
re: iOS 6 - It actually worked pretty well for what was there. Sure, there are a bunch of great new features I like a lot, but along with it came a pretty sloppy redesign and a TON of bugs and poor optimization. Apple has addressed some of that in iOS 9, but there's still way too much to go.
Straw-man much? That's not our argument at all. See above.
It depends on whether Apple pulls another iOS 8. You're lucky you had the iPad 3, because if it had been an iPad 2, you'd have witnessed the problem big-time. Guess what the difference is? Yep, 512k RAM --> 1GB RAM. Do you really think once Apple has most of their current devices on 2GB of RAM, the next OS won't use it and semi-brick the 1GB models? Hint: Apple was still selling iPad minis new (512k) well after iOS 8 was released.
Again, the 'new' Apple doesn't care much about user experience if marketing or the bean-counters want it otherwise.
This is why Apple still sells 16GB iPhones. There are customers that just want iOS no mater what. Therefore, Apple can charge what ever they want.
Oh, for sure. I could make a 16GB phone work too. But, that isn't really the point. The point is that most people will find it a bit cramped, and most of them don't know enough about it when making the buying choice, so they end up having a bad experience (I know, I've talked to many of them). Yes, it's kind of their fault, as they could have spent $100 more.
But, as a premium product, I think it's also Apple's responsibility to be sure their entire lineup, even the lowest model, is reasonably good enough to create a positive user experience for the average person. Otherwise, they need to make it really clear that this 16GB model is ultra-bare-bones and isn't really for the typical smartphone user.
If they don't, they ultimately hurt their brand. So, this isn't about cost or people wanting to get something for nothing or whining, etc. It's about Apple making user-experience #1 so they can stay #1, because that's how they got there. If they want to start behaving like every other tech company... enjoy the ride back down to average tech company status.
I'm not sure how much more clear I can make it... if some of you folks still don't get it, I guess I just give up. If you want to actually make an argument against this (instead of a straw man) I'll be happy to discuss it.
Why do you worry about that so much? Apparently Apple has this grip over you, as you have willingly given them so much power over your life.
Simply switch to a Samsung phone and get your life and happiness back. Easy.
Continuing on and on and being so unhappy is simply mind boggling.
Most people, you could be right (or not) but saying a generalization like that negates other aspects of your post.
I laughed when I read this; how true indeed.
I'll almost certainly be getting the SE as soon as it's available, but I have to admit, if the base model were offered at 32GB, I'm not quite sure which version I'd buy.
As it stands, I'm using a 16GB 4s, and I've still got capacity to spare. As of this writing, I've still got more than 7GB free. Yet if the SE were only offered in 16GB or 64GB models, I'd probably spring for the 64GB option, just so that I never have to think about it. On the other hand if the options were 32GB and 64GB, I would be strongly tempted just to stick with the base 32, on the assumption that this would still give me more space than I'll ever need.
Either way, I'm eagerly awaiting the end of March.
As it stands, I'm using a 16GB 4s, and I've still got capacity to spare. As of this writing, I've still got more than 7GB free. Yet if the SE were only offered in 16GB or 64GB models, I'd probably spring for the 64GB option, just so that I never have to think about it. On the other hand if the options were 32GB and 64GB, I would be strongly tempted just to stick with the base 32, on the assumption that this would still give me more space than I'll ever need.
Either way, I'm eagerly awaiting the end of March.
No. I want an Apple product, and I wish they would do something for *me* for a change, rather than me always handing them my $$$ and making them happy. There is zero reason 32 GB storage is not the base, other than greed. You can't argue that, so don't even try. Apple has become a greedy company. They still make great products, but the greed has really soured me. I'm only again back in their corner because they are fighting the FBI, and that is something I agree with them on. But 16 GB?? Right. What a joke.
Because some of us actually care about the future of Apple. In my case, I've been with them for nearly 30 years, often when it was a struggle because I recognized the overall benefit. I'm really happy to finally see them having hard-won success... so it really bothers me when I see them blowing it.
The other part of it is because I honestly don't know where I'll turn next if Apple takes a dive... thus 'simply switch to a Samsung' isn't much of an option. How would that solve anything?
I don't have official double-blind studies or anything like that. But I have talked to a lot of folks with iPhones and have asked how they like them, or have helped them with things, etc. The storage-space thing is a common complaint, and out of those, a good percentage of them seemed a bit miffed that something that cost so much would be so limited. (This was especially the case back when many of them couldn't upgrade their OS because they couldn't make enough free-space.)
Don't get what? Apple is going to continue to do whatever they do. If you don't like it, don't buy. No argument there.
Define 'typical smartphone user'. The majority of people on this forum don't fit within the general population that purchase smart phones.
Bottom line..I was making a statement about my own personal use. No reason for you to imply I don't get it. Straw man? Really? I have been an Apple consumer since 1984. I think I'm capable of making my own decisions and choices when it comes to the $$'s I spend for my own use. I haven't had a bad experience yet.
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No, I don't worry
. I'm just calling out Apple exactly on what they are doing, that's all. Not sure why YOU get so worked out on defending Apple. If you are happy just enjoy life right?