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Perfectly reasonable opinion even though it runs counter to mine. I think what is implied here though is a fixed budget. Ultimately, that's unlikely to be the case, and instead you should think of each choice compared to the margin opportunity cost, which may even extend outside the computer and into unrelated items.

Say the 2.3 vs 2.4 perform about as expected, single and multicore are all 4% faster. That's not likely to be felt very often, true. So a 1 hr job finishes in in like 57 or 58 minutes... meh. That's won't be particularly well felt. But it does have the potential to add up. During a day of wait for this to finish, do set this job up, wait for it to finish, repeat, it might mean saving 20 minutes on your day...? Sure, there is the aspect of just doing something else while you wait (like commenting here!), but sometimes that's not particularly fair or possible. Anyway, for $200, you don't have to save ~20min per day that very often to make it worth it.

Everyone's budget is fixed to an extent on almost any purchase one desires to make, either by your boss, your spouse, your bank account, your credit score or your own innate opinions of worth and value as it relates to physical goods.

My credit score and debt-to-income ratio told me I could afford a house that was 30% more expensive than what I ultimately purchased. I used a variety of factors to determine that the bank was out of its ever loving mind, despite the numbers...mostly my own common sense and the innate lack of wanting to be held hostage by a high mortgage. As a two income household, the goal was to be able to pay the mortgage on a one income household, which we can. The benefit of the lower purchase price allowed margin for extra principal payments, unexpected unemployment, catastrophic illness or death.

The area I work in does not require the latest and greatest tech to be productive and profitable. However, I have never really skimped on hardware regardless. Almost every iMac or MacBook Pro I have ever owned has been near the top of the BTO chain. Core i7, max DRAM, best GPU, most storage I could reasonably afford. I don't do it to brag about what I have, but merely to make sure my purchase will last a reasonably long time and allow for some headroom as code gets bloated and I experiment with new things.

EDIT: Also, almost every Mac I have owned since 2011 has either been a closeout or a refurb, because I hate buying retail.

My argument is that, depending on your workload and area of industry, you would more likely see a better long term return with upgrading the DRAM or the GPU, if your workloads would benefit from more DRAM or a faster GPU, given the performance gains measured by others over the base configurations Apple sells and the fact that DRAM can speed up certain workflows enormously, while the GPU is being used a general purpose processor for more and more operations given the relative lack of progress in CPU IPC gains since the release of Sandy Bridge.

I would even venture to guess that the GPU upgrade is a bit of a quarter toss as an eGPU might be a better use of $250-$350 given that more powerful GPUs exist that can be utilized in macOS workflows than the Vega 16 or 20 Apple offers as a BTO option.

However, if your particular workload is served better by faster CPU clock speeds and cores (i.e. video compression versus video editing), then by all means, you should opt for the fastest CPU you can at the point of sale, especially since it cannot be changed later on.

In my experience, CPUs are already so fast for general and specialized computing to the point that the need for the absolute fastest CPU is more esoteric exercise than actual problem. Because if it were, you wouldn't be wasting time asking about a 100MHz option for a MacBook Pro, and would have already bought an iCore i9 iMac or just about any flavor of iMac Pro and called it a day.
 
Couldn’t care less. At that price, the 512gb ssd and VEGA graphics should be standard on a 15-inch version. These greedy bastards are bleeding us enough already.

$2,399.00

  • 2.6GHz 6-core 9th-generation Intel Core i7 processor
  • Radeon Pro Vega 16 with 4GB of HBM2 memory
  • 16GB 2400MHz DDR4 memory
  • 512GB SSD storage
$2,799.00

  • 2.3GHz 8-core 9th-generation Intel Core i9 processor
  • Radeon Pro Vega 20 with 4GB of HBM2 memory
  • 16GB 2400MHz DDR4 memory
  • 1TB SSD storage

I agree, it is a joke that a "Pro" Computer ships with a 256 SSD for $2,399.00
 
New laptops released with repair program already in place for known flawed design, what a joke

This is like if Samsung actually released the Fold with a screen repair program rather than redesign

Do me a favor if you are reading something like this, just go ask someone that has a Mac laptop and let that guide you.
 
Anyone think the upgrade to the 2.4 Ghz (Turbo Boost up to 5.0Ghz) processor for an extra $200 is worth it?

Or should I look at upgrading other things? I mostly do video editing, photoshop, etc. Don't do any gaming.

On paper it seems like a complete waste of money, but, keep in mind:

Being that the 2.4 Ghz is a "K" variant, it's possible that it'll indeed run cooler, and consequently much faster than the 2.3 Ghz unit as the die is soldered to the headspreader. Whereas, I believe the 2.3 Ghz chip is using conventional "paste." Someone correct me if I am wrong here.

Given this, the 2.4 Ghz should sustain much higher frequencies under load. A cinebench or other taxing benchmark will ultimately show how much each model throttles its turbo frequency.
 
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Waiting for Apple to re-design the MBP...
 

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I won't buy another MBP until they offer and OLED Touchscreen option like my Alienware R13






The new high-end 8-core 15-inch MacBook Pro that was announced on Tuesday offers significant performance improvements over the previous high-end 6-core MacBook Pro from 2018, according to new benchmarks.

In a Geekbench benchmark uploaded this morning, the new MacBook Pro with a 2.4GHz Core i9 chip earned a single-core score of 5879 and a multi-core score of 29184.

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Comparatively, the high-end 2018 MacBook Pro has earned an average single-core score of 5348 and a multi-core score of 22620. Single-core speeds are up almost 10 percent, while multi-core scores are up an impressive 29 percent.

Apple has said that the new 8-core MacBook Pro can offer up to 40 percent faster performance than a 6-core MacBook Pro, and two times faster performance than a quad-core MacBook Pro.

The higher-end stock MacBook Pro features a 2.3GHz 8-core 9th-generation Intel Core i9 processor, which can be upgraded to a 2.4GHz 8-core 9th-generation Intel Core i9 processor for $200, which is the version that's been benchmarked.

Apple's entry-level 15-inch machine features a 6-core 9th-generation processor, while all of the 13-inch MacBook Pro machines use quad-core 8th-generation processors.

The new MacBook Pro models can be ordered from the online Apple Store and will be in retail stores later this week or early next week.

Article Link: New 8-Core MacBook Pro Offers Solid Performance Improvements According to Benchmark
 
I really wish Geekbench would make a benchmark that runs for 20 minutes so you could actually test these machines under load with heat. No way this thing runs anywhere near as well as the 2019 iMac, much less the iMac Pro.

You can run a stress test from within Geekbench.

EDIT: Sorry, that only works with version 3 of the app :)
 
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I agree, it is a joke that a "Pro" Computer ships with a 256 SSD for $2,399.00

And it's been like 5 years since the base 15" got the 16GB/256SSD as a standard. But 5 years ago the fast SSDs were like twice the cost (for the same capacity), yet the base 2014 15" was cheaper than current base model.

I know it has dedicated GPU and better processor, but that is evolution. 486 computers used to be expensive too (30 years ago)...
 
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5879 is 94.5% of the fastest iMac 8-core i9 from earlier this year. Can't really ask more from a laptop.

And it's about 88% on multi-core. Would be nice to have a little more here, but still very good.

I'm looking forward to having my simulations run 30-40% faster.
 
5879 is 94.5% of the fastest iMac 8-core i9 from earlier this year. Can't really ask more from a laptop.

And it's about 88% on multi-core. Would be nice to have a little more here, but still very good.

I'm looking forward to having my simulations run 30-40% faster.

Yep - looks like a great machine. Just ordered a 2.4 / 1TB / Vega20 / 32gb. Even with just the speed increase in turning around work this will pay for itself in a few months. 4 x Thunderbolt ports made me grab one over the new iMac - As soon as a machine gets x2 performance increase over what's currently in the studio - I upgrade usually.

I get that people think this in a expensive laptop - and it is if all you want to to is some browsing / email / gaming / basic editing - but after being in the media industry for 30+ years I still cannot rock up on a shoot / edit location confidently with anything other than a MBP and work on location at 80%+ performance of a desktop. There are heaps of creative professionals out there who will not bat an eyelid at the cost.
 
Yep - looks like a great machine. Just ordered a 2.4 / 1TB / Vega20 / 32gb. Even with just the speed increase in turning around work this will pay for itself in a few months. 4 x Thunderbolt ports made me grab one over the new iMac - As soon as a machine gets x2 performance increase over what's currently in the studio - I upgrade usually.

I get that people think this in a expensive laptop - and it is if all you want to to is some browsing / email / gaming / basic editing - but after being in the media industry for 30+ years I still cannot rock up on a shoot / edit location confidently with anything other than a MBP and work on location at 80%+ performance of a desktop. There are heaps of creative professionals out there who will not bat an eyelid at the cost.

Yup, this is true. I just ordered one myself for remote location video editing. I'll gladly take the increase in power and just as importantly, the tax deduction!
 
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With the base clock lower, how would single core performance be better and not worse? Turbo boost is only for a brief spurt.

Anyway, the higher end versions are ridiculously overpriced even for Apple standards. The worst part is that they force you to get the SSD version you expect to need by the end of your upgrade cycle.

I don't like this disposable appliance computer model with no expandability (at least not for a premium brand at these prices). The whole point is to just give users more of a reason to discard their current computer and get a new one since you can't just upgrade the memory or SSD. This is the primary driver. Shaving off a few mm is only the justification. It's wasteful for both the individual and the environment.

If it weren't for their ecosystem, I think a lot more would switch. I know I would. I feel Apple's taking me for granted both in its pricing and the very slow rate of innovation on the laptop end (as well as a lack of diversity).
 
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Bravo, Apple. Finally back to releasing timely, significant updates for your pro customers. No better time to buy a MacBook Pro. Hopefully they continue this trend, very interested in what Intel's 10n m can bring to the mbp in terms of power efficiency, thermal improvements and LPDDR4.
 
Yup, this is true. I just ordered one myself for remote location video editing. I'll gladly take the increase in power and just as importantly, the tax deduction!

For all the comparisons - I'm yet to see a spec - for - spec price comparison between the new MBP and an equivalent 'PC'. Not sure there is one to be honest.
 
Ah c'mon guys. There is basically no real-world benefit. Several YouTubers tested almost every benchmark you can imagine and came up with a 5-7% increase. Sometimes the 8-core was even slower than the 6-core.

This is is complete bs - sry.
 
Ah c'mon guys. There is basically no real-world benefit. Several YouTubers tested almost every benchmark you can imagine and came up with a 5-7% increase. Sometimes the 8-core was even slower than the 6-core.

This is is complete bs - sry.

Several? Sources?
 
Ah c'mon guys. There is basically no real-world benefit. Several YouTubers tested almost every benchmark you can imagine and came up with a 5-7% increase. Sometimes the 8-core was even slower than the 6-core.

This is is complete bs - sry.
Would be amazed if that was the case - Can you give us the link to the videos please?
 
I really wish Geekbench would make a benchmark that runs for 20 minutes so you could actually test these machines under load with heat. No way this thing runs anywhere near as well as the 2019 iMac, much less the iMac Pro.

I'm hoping for that, too. Geekbench or Cinebench should run a set of similar tests 3-10 times consecutively (similar to avoid caching benefits of repeating the same test) and only record the final result. A friend of mine used to work in benchmarking during the Athlon/P3 and Quake/Unreal days. He showed exactly how benchmarks cheat and why certain sites can always favor one platform over another (depending on who sponsors them). My MBP crawls after load for 10 minutes. I got a laptop cooler and it helps reduce temperature, but not enough. They're too thin and airflow is too poor.
 
However, if your particular workload is served better by faster CPU clock speeds and cores (iIn my experience, CPUs are already so fast for general and specialized computing to the point that the need for the absolute fastest CPU is more esoteric exercise than actual problem. Because if it were, you wouldn't be wasting time asking about a 100MHz option for a MacBook Pro, and would have already bought an iCore i9 iMac or just about any flavor of iMac Pro and called it a day.

Having bought and sold old macs for years, i can say that buyers want future proofing. More/max ram and more storage are really what's important. Your CPU spends most of it's life waiting for you.

Faster chips will get a premium, but not as much as you would think.
 
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