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I just don't see the point for both a multi-touch keyboard and a multi-touch mouse...seems redundant.

second time you've said that in this post. think about what your saying. just because you can't find a reason creative, engaging reason, there's no point?
 
If all you Mighty Mouse owners would stop eating Cheetos at the same time you're using the Mighty Mouse, your problems with the scroll ball would be over! :D

Mark
 
As for replacing the scroll ball with some form of touch surface, it's something I can definitely see Apple doing. It's totally in keeping with their efforts to eliminate mechanical parts and to take minimalism to new levels.

I just hope they don't go to extremes and create the mouse equivalent of the new iPod Shuffle. I'd hate to sit in an office environment where everyone controls scrolling by way of voice commands.

If all you Mighty Mouse owners would stop eating Cheetos at the same time you're using the Mighty Mouse, your problems with the scroll ball would be over! :D

Mark
Yeah, what's up with that? While I don't think highly of the MM, the one thing I've never had issues with is the scroll ball. I have three MM's and the oldest one is the original from August 2005, its scroll ball never failed me. Then again I haven't tried to fill the ball hole with dipping sauce (or other unmentionable sticky white stuff) like certain others.
 
For people saying a backlit would drain the battery's, this wouldnt matter if apple did what they should of done from the start and put a mini usb port on the keyboard for charging, hell they should go the whole hog and put a custom battery inside making the tube part of the keyboard smaller
 
For people saying a backlit would drain the battery's, this wouldnt matter if apple did what they should of done from the start and put a mini usb port on the keyboard for charging, hell they should go the whole hog and put a custom battery inside making the tube part of the keyboard smaller

Still wouldn't matter. You'd end up having to recharge it every other day. Might as well just buy Eneloop batteries.

Let's not even get into the fact that the BT keyboard is already a energy hog without a backlight.
 
Still wouldn't matter. You'd end up having to recharge it every other day. Might as well just buy Eneloop batteries.

Let's not even get into the fact that the BT keyboard is already a energy hog without a backlight.
BT is certainly an energy hog, but I usually get 60 days worth of full workday use on a single charge on my (partially backlit) DiNovo Edge which is BT rather than Logitech's proprietary wireless.

My issue with wireless Apple keyboards, apart from the fact that they use primitive AA batteries, is that Apple compensates for having a ridiculously low number of USB ports on the computers themselves by adding a couple of USB ports on the wired keyboards. My '08 iMac only has 3 USB ports and I need a minimum of 4, which I have thanks to the wired keyboard. It's also nifty to have a couple of USB ports right in front of you (for Flash drives and such) rather than messing around on the back of the machine. I don't want a wireless kb since this would force me to clutter the desk with some crummy hub.
 
Where's the Apple keyboard with backlighting for desktop machines? I mean, why do only laptops get this feature? No battery power to worry about on a desktop. If it's wired, it should be a no brainer. For a company that made the mouse a standard part of computer literacy, Apple makes the worst mice in the industry.
 
Several Logitech mouse and keyboard models have had rechargeable Li-Ion batteries for years. With Apple you're stuck with stinky old AA batteries.

Yes. Stinky old AA batteries, which (if you get some proper NiMH rechargeables) will last much longer than that lithium ion, AND have the added bonus of being widely available at every corner store in an emergency.

I love how you referred to AA batteries as "1950s" tech. You do realize that it's just a size designation, correct?

:rolleyes:

I'm no Excel jockey but I'm still lost without the numpad because it works as the remote control for nearly all of my audio applications... Play, Rec, FF, Rewind, loop on/off, L and R locators... there's no room for all those shortcuts on a keyboard without numpad, so without those keys you're stuck with using the mouse for transport controls, which sucks big time.

I've never seen an audio app that didn't have other keyboard shortcuts for these functions. Keys that are, you know, reliably available on all keyboards (not just extended ones). You'd have to be a pretty moronic developer to hardwire those to keys that (these days, with laptops taking over) a majority of your users probably don't have.

Shorter version: you're full of ****.
 
My only wish is that you stop bloviating on every story and do some research. Apple, and many other industrial shops and universities have. Single-button mice work better for most users. A few people can make better use of two buttons than one, and a large number *think* they can in the same way that people *think* they can multitask (but actually can't).
The theory that Apple's adherence to the single-button paradigm is actually based on research would work a lot better if Apple didn't keep putting key functionality on the right-click context menu. A menu that, thanks to Apple's push for minimalism, no longer has its own key on Macs. The system itself surrendered to the 2-button paradigm a long time ago, along with pretty much every piece of 3rd party software. If Apple truly believed otherwise they wouldn't have offered a 2-button (well, 4 actually) for the last 4+ years. The fact that they still made it look like a single-button mouse is purely a matter of aesthetics spiced with a little bit of defiance.
 
For people saying a backlit would drain the battery's, this wouldnt matter if apple did what they should of done from the start and put a mini usb port on the keyboard for charging, hell they should go the whole hog and put a custom battery inside making the tube part of the keyboard smaller
And thus making it a wired keyboard. :eek::p
 
The theory that Apple's adherence to the single-button paradigm is actually based on research would work a lot better if Apple didn't keep putting key functionality on the right-click context menu. A menu that, thanks to Apple's push for minimalism, no longer has its own key on Macs.

What in the world are you talking about?

The system itself surrendered to the 2-button paradigm a long time ago, along with pretty much every piece of 3rd party software. If Apple truly believed otherwise they wouldn't have offered a 2-button (well, 4 actually) for the last 4+ years. The fact that they still made it look like a single-button mouse is purely a matter of aesthetics spiced with a little bit of defiance.

It's hilarious that, with a straight face, people like you will complain about gunk getting on the Mighty Mouse ball but not see that having two discrete, physical buttons is a great vector for getting junk into a mouse--which the molded shell prevents. You're also one of those who drones on and on about how terrible it is that Apple uses non-replaceable batteries in some things, but apparently it's fine for Logitech to do so.

Look, just admit that your'e the worst kind of contrarian--the ignorant, knee-jerk kind--and move on and try to get better... :cool:
 
Yes. Stinky old AA batteries, which (if you get some proper NiMH rechargeables) will last much longer than that lithium ion, AND have the added bonus of being widely available at every corner store in an emergency.
Right, because it's so much more convenient to run down to the closed corner store at 3 AM and smash the window, than to plug in a micro-USB cable for recharging (like on the Performance Mouse MX and others) while continuing to use the mouse, or to swap the li-ion battery in the charger/receiver with the second li-ion battery in the mouse (like on the G5).

And - this is the funny part - you're saying this in defense of a company that's been at the forefront of eliminating user replaceable batteries (and all the come with in terms of locking mechanisms, doors etc) in favor of fixed batteries. Because it saves weight and space and allows for a thinner form factor and higher capacity. A philosophy that apparently meant nothing when they designed their input devices.

I take it that if these new mice and keyboards are indeed rechargeable, you will criticize Apple and argue that it's one step backwards and a blow to convenience and usability?

I've never seen an audio app that didn't have other keyboard shortcuts for these functions. Keys that are, you know, reliably available on all keyboards (not just extended ones).
I primarily use Cubase, Reason, Record and Wavelab and what they have in common is A) the numpad keys work exactly the same in all four apps, and B) they all have *all* transport functions on those keys. They have alternative shortcuts for laptop keyboards, but they're both inconsistent and incomplete.
 
It's hilarious that, with a straight face, people like you will complain about gunk getting on the Mighty Mouse ball but not see that having two discrete, physical buttons is a great vector for getting junk into a mouse--which the molded shell prevents.
I'm not sure what kind of Finnish lead you're smoking, but I said a few posts further up that I'm one of the few who have *never* had issues with "gunk" getting trapped on or under the scroll ball. If people like me complain about it, I guess I'm not people like me.

The notion that the slit between two discrete mouse buttons is some sort of gunk trap is such a pathetic excuse it barely warrants a comment. There are hundreds of mice on the market with such a design, how do you think those work? Do you think people clean them with a toothbrush daily? If this had been an issue, people would have abandoned Logitech and Microsoft long ago and flocked to that one glorious mouse on the market where gunk can't get in. I guess that's why Logitech is past the 1 billion mice mark while Apple has sold a whopping, what, thirty-five Mighty Mice?

Look, just admit that your'e the worst kind of contrarian--the ignorant, knee-jerk kind--and move on and try to get better... :cool:
Please save your diary notes-to-self for, well, your diary.
 
So what do you guys want to see in a mouse battery?

The traditional 2 AA's
or a built in one like the mx rev?
 
I'm not sure what kind of Finnish lead you're smoking, but I said a few posts further up that I'm one of the few who have *never* had issues with "gunk" getting trapped on or under the scroll ball. If people like me complain about it, I guess I'm not people like me.

The notion that the slit between two discrete mouse buttons is some sort of gunk trap is such a pathetic excuse it barely warrants a comment. There are hundreds of mice on the market with such a design, how do you think those work? Do you think people clean them with a toothbrush daily? If this had been an issue, people would have abandoned Logitech and Microsoft long ago and flocked to that one glorious mouse on the market where gunk can't get in. I guess that's why Logitech is past the 1 billion mice mark while Apple has sold a whopping, what, thirty-five Mighty Mice?


Please save your diary notes-to-self for, well, your diary.

I have been using my Logitech G3 mouse for over 2 years now, and there have never been any issues with it.

I have small hands and the MM is just way to big for my hands. I don't see why people are having issues with the ball on it. Is it just that people are complaining ? Why is it that other brands don't have this issue. Or do they? My guess it that they do but people do not complain about it. I would not complain if my logitech dies on me, I would just buy a new one. People. So what mouse you enjoy is totally up to yourselves, but please don't complain if a mouse stops working. Just buy a new one.
 
So what do you guys want to see in a mouse battery?

The traditional 2 AA's
or a built in one like the mx rev?
One that recharges via a micro-USB cable so you can keep working while charging. Docks suck.

It would also be nice if they considered making one model for laptops and one for desktops... the wireless MM is a tad too big and heavy to be considered portable.

The 2xAA solution isn't too bad in itself, it's the combo with the power gobbling Bluetooth that makes it a nuisance. If the two AA batteries lasted 400 days like on the Logi V550 it wouldn't be an issue, but with the MM and the wireless Apple keyboard the "oh crap, not again" moments come too frequently.
 
+1
apple mice are one of the few items apple makes where they let the function follow the form when it should be the other way around.

That and people like to see thier buttons not just assume an area of where they might be.

All of Apple's products are functions follow form. Design is their #1 concern, the rest is secondary.

The Mighty Mouse needs help.
 
I'd be happy with a multitouch touchpad on the keyboard (maybe in place of the numpad?) Then my parents could use the Chinese handwriting on the Mac mini. I don't believe it's possible to do except on a Macbook pro, even with an external wacom tablet.
 
I've been hoping for black keys, but it would make the white cable on the wired version look even more out of place, and I don't think they're switching to black cables anytime soon. They kind of painted themselves into a corner by sticking with white accessories from their 2003-2006 White Era, even after black became the primary accent color on the computers.

If they make one cable black, they'll have to make all cables black, and then they'll have to make black remotes, mice, iPhone/iPod docks etc, and then they'd have to make the iPod headphones black and lose their #1 marketing gimmick.

The current notebook line has black keys on a silver background and looks great next to white cables. No reason why they'd change the cable color.
 
Don't think about this as a keyboard for a Mini or iMac but rather a support input device for a tablet. Then it's size isn't that bad.

I do wonder why there is an X'ed out trash can on the bottom of the mouse. I thought Apples goals where to eliminate hazzardous materials from all Apple devices.

Dave

Built-in battery of some sort I would only imagine.
 
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