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I find it hard to believe that any red brick building is listed. Never mind one that is such an eyesore.

So let's level and destroy every singe building that someone considers an eyesore? :rolleyes: That'll end well. I am very sure someone considers the pyramids an eyesore.

I happen to find the building stunning and I am glad that it appears to have been tastefully renovated versus being destroyed.
 
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I find it hard to believe that any red brick building is listed. Never mind one that is such an eyesore.

Eyesore? It looks great, especially now that it's been cleaned up and renovated. Vastly more character and elegance than most modern glass boxes. (Personally I think they could have lost the chimneys, but people have a sentimental attachment to them I guess)

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Okay, well that makes sense. If it's in a Contract, then it's in a contract, but if it's not, it's not! So still, pick a place to work that suits your needs as someone else stated, but stop ranting about it if it's not in your contract and they want you back at the office!

Right now there's a distrust between business leaders and staff, and that's only gotten worse over time. I'm not saying it's not justified, but I personally wouldn't be comfortable going back into office everyday, especially in an office where I unwillingly become party to someone's loud conversation (or as I had before, someones' 3 hour interview).

The reality is that working remotely / from home is a much more nicer proposition than being in office - I don't need to think about the commute, or stupid climate control or privacy when working from home / remotely.

Apple's salaries in the UK are bonus loaded - and that's tied to personal performance as well as company performance. The calibre of candidates from Apple applying to other roles has not been consistent.
 
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Eyesore? It looks great, especially now that it's been cleaned up and renovated. Vastly more character and elegance than most modern glass boxes. (Personally I think they could have lost the chimneys, but people have a sentimental attachment to them I guess)

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It isn’t any less dreadful than a glass tower. It is still a red brick eyesore like some council estate. Assuredly if it was a beautiful sandstone building I would be all for preservation, but it isn’t, it’s just red bricks.
 
Bit tone deaf to open new offices when more and more developers are working from home and we are turning down jobs that require visits to the office.
It’s a bit tone deaf to assume no one likes working in an office. As someone who works from home myself, I always find value in the times I share in person with my colleagues. London has more effective public transport than most cities, including vast swaths of California.
 
Dear Tim,

This concept is a truly ground-occupying and profoundly meaningful development.

Only Apple can take a concept as complex and sophisticated as this, and unleash a platform for creativity that works seamlessly across the entire corporate ecosystem.

Best Regards,

DS, Randy & Friends.
 
I am the one doing the recruitment and I don’t toss out candidates if they feel they work better in an office or at home. I look at the skill set and experience.

However we make it clear that if you are going into the office that you use Slack for communications and don’t disturb developers.

I am in a position in my career where I can pick the job, pay, and benefits.

Your way of thinking isn’t necessarily right or wrong. But it certainly isn’t shared with many leaders such as myself.
I’m not a leader, but I know what leadership is because I’m surrounded by some spectacular leaders. They absolutely do not share your view.

When I’m running recruitment, I’m mostly interested in how well they‘ll work within the org, and my team. Someone who wants to shut themselves off 300 miles away and never actually meet their colleagues won’t survive in my org, because we foster and encourage collaboration. The natural networking and ”office culture” can’t be replicated on Slack / MS Teams, or any commercially available software that I’m aware of. Maybe the “metaverse” will afford opportunities in AR/VR spaces though.

Working for or with someone who is just a name in a Slack room sounds draconian. And hushed offices are literally the worst working environment for a million reasons.
 
Eyesore? It looks great, especially now that it's been cleaned up and renovated. Vastly more character and elegance than most modern glass boxes. (Personally I think they could have lost the chimneys, but people have a sentimental attachment to them I guess)

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Honestly, IMO, it's the chimneys that set it apart, otherwise just a monolithic brick building (and, of course, the cover of Animals)
 
Bit tone deaf to open new offices when more and more developers are working from home and we are turning down jobs that require visits to the office.
A bit short sighted on your part to think that work from home would be forever. Those new grads will happily go into the office while you stay at home collecting a different sort of check.
 
Eyesore? It looks great, especially now that it's been cleaned up and renovated. Vastly more character and elegance than most modern glass boxes. (Personally I think they could have lost the chimneys, but people have a sentimental attachment to them I guess)

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One of the chimneys contains an elevator to an open air viewing platform. I think it looks great too, but I suppose I'm biased as I can see it from my rear window right now – and the Borg Cube US Embassy, which is about a five minute walk from the power station. Maybe it's been a "crappy" area up to now but it's definitely on the up.
 
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It isn’t any less dreadful than a glass tower. It is still a red brick eyesore like some council estate. Assuredly if it was a beautiful sandstone building I would be all for preservation, but it isn’t, it’s just red bricks.
You don’t seem to know very much about history or architecture. Some of the most famous and beautiful listed buildings in the UK are built from red brick.

Ever heard of Hampton Court Palace?

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Apple may just see a brain drain before it sorts out its practices. Why would I take cut in pay and have to commute to an office to work for Apple? Is that worth the ‘prestige’ of having Apple in your CV? Are you going to be working on a markably more interesting project than what Microsoft or even a smaller company are offering?

I know of no tenured engineer who'd like to work for Apple due to RTO, in fact most people I know simply ignore Apple recruiter requests. Their clout may have worked during the Steve Jobs era but their portfolio of projects today is as good as many other companies out there.

That said, we have to understand where they are coming from. Apple is built on structure and they know what has worked for them in the past and they are not going to change overnight. But they'll have to.
 
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