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In my current job a $6000 usd payout is acceptable to work from home.
if it was working from home instead of commuting into Boston, it would have to significantly more
 
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The tradition is that any attempt to get a taxi to a location on the south is met by the driver using any excuse not to take you. Despite it being a legal requirement to take passengers where they ask to go. (The underlying attitude was probably based on the unlikelihood of getting a return fare. Hence driving back empty and making less money. Also, possibly, lower tips.)
 
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There is a not-very-serious rivalry between north and south London. North Londoners consider north of the river to be real London. I couldn’t possibly comment (I was born in north London), but everything you think of when someone says London to you is probably north of the river. When the Romans founded Londinium it’s where the financial district is now, ie north of the river. North of the river is where all the important stuff is; to give you an idea - in Shakespeare’s time south of the river was for pubs, brothels and theatres.

You might compare it to, say, someone saying that the ‘real’ New York is Manhattan.
 
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I don't get this work from home rant. WFH was a "temporary" measure to avoid getting COVID. It was never intended to be permanent. They knew this going in. What is the problem?
People have come to prioritize their quality of life over the perceived productivity gains of a corporate entity. This is as it should be.

I think if there is a problem -- I'm not convinced there is -- it's with the unwillingness or inability of middle management to adapt to changing times. This is not a group with a particularly large or flexible toolbox so it's hardly surprising they're clamoring for a return to the way things were. Not that they were all that good at their jobs before but at least they had a template to follow. Now they're scared, both of their inabilities and for their positions. (Obviously there are decent middle managers; they are not the majority.)
 
I’m not a leader, but I know what leadership is because I’m surrounded by some spectacular leaders. They absolutely do not share your view.

When I’m running recruitment, I’m mostly interested in how well they‘ll work within the org, and my team. Someone who wants to shut themselves off 300 miles away and never actually meet their colleagues won’t survive in my org, because we foster and encourage collaboration. The natural networking and ”office culture” can’t be replicated on Slack / MS Teams, or any commercially available software that I’m aware of. Maybe the “metaverse” will afford opportunities in AR/VR spaces though.

Working for or with someone who is just a name in a Slack room sounds draconian. And hushed offices are literally the worst working environment for a million reasons.

As an engineering manager and senior leader, I've seen what's happening in the market - talent is being lost because businesses are requiring office time, and it's not once or twice a week which a lot of candidates can deal with.

Your experience seems to be limited to local teams - I've managed and am managing a distributed team, both within satellite offices and major hubs (i.e time zone differences). In this case, I've learned that developers still don't want to be disturbed and will happily reach out to others when they needs help, but from my 1:1s in skip meetings, they've all cherished that they feel trusted. With local teams, an expectation that they are freely accessible is all that's needed. We are in a very dynamic and collaborative organisation - a failure in the product I own attracts regulatory eyes. The risks need to be balanced, but my teams have agreed that office time is not mandated, and the wider business is fine with that.

One thing that is important is office culture - and I'm not a fan of it. Recently, I was in office and became an unwilling participant to someone else's conversation, and at another instance, I had full insight into someone's interview. If employees followed office etiquette, things may be different.

I am lucky in that I travel 20 mins by public transport and I am in office, but have previously travelled 45 mins, of which 30-40 mins was on a packed train. That's not an experience I wish to continue and can sympathise with others.

I like many others don't miss the "office culture". It may be nice to meet up with colleagues once in a while to have lunch together, but the daily drudge of droning to and from work - which is effectively wasted time - doesn't benefit anyone.

The nature of today's work is that Slack is a thing. Even in office, when HipChat was around, most people communicated through HipChat. There were useful white boarding sessions, however, this proved to be limited to the resources available - not everywhere had a suitable whiteboard to collaborate on; and nowadays we have diagram tools which are adequate.

I started my career first as a software developer, and soon became a facilitator afterwards. I've worked with many teams and I will always say that each team is unique. Some teams need to see each other more often, others - not. It shouldn't be a blanket decision, but a team decision.

When COVID started, we started to have weekly team lunches and jamming sessions - a time where we'd come together to talk about something random that was either personal or professional. The ability to share this within an org has meant that my teams in two different locations know each other better - and they're not in the same office building.
 
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You don’t seem to know very much about history or architecture. Some of the most famous and beautiful listed buildings in the UK are built from red brick.

Ever heard of Hampton Court Palace?

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Are you really bringing up a sinfully ugly building that looks like it belongs on a council estate as an argument for not knocking down another sinfully ugly red brick building?
 
South of the river , what a dump

This is right near the (new, huge) US Embassy. Lots of US-centric shops (selling American groceries etc) nearby, so Apple will fit right in! The adjacent Battersea Park is also pretty nice.

There's also a brand new Tube station (Battersea Power Station Station 😂) and loads of very expensive new flats. The area might lack soul and authenticity, but it's no dump.

If Steve was around he'd choose something really iconic like Notting Hill

You're just not going to find high-quality office space for 1400 employees in Notting Hill, sorry.
 
This is right near the (new, huge) US Embassy. Lots of US-centric shops (selling American groceries etc) nearby, so Apple will fit right in! The adjacent Battersea Park is also pretty nice.

There's also a brand new Tube station (Battersea Power Station Station 😂) and loads of very expensive new flats. The area might lack soul and authenticity, but it's no dump.



You're just not going to find high-quality office space for 1400 employees in Notting Hill, sorry.
The area is full of expensive flats, eventually I settled on an investment property in Canary Wharf.

Nine Elms and the surrounding area is nice though
 
Which is one of the reasons Apple software sucks so much.
Conclusion Is based on “garbage in garbage out”, principle. But apple software imo “does not suck” period.
Some things just don't seem to get done correctly from home, especially from people with a lousy work ethic.
Do you know who worked from home and who didn’t. The campus wasn’t empty, empty since mar 2020.
Apple needs to get the developers back on campus and get the bugs squashed.
Maybe their quality assurance methods.
I always dreamed of having workers work from home, but then the pandemic proved it simply doesn't work, at least not with Apple developers.
Well it kinda did work for apple, but not as efficiently as management wanted.
 
[…]And every single other software company is reporting fewer bugs and better collaboration by working from home.
This is begging for a citation.
Apple may just see a brain drain before it sorts out its practices.
So they will rehire.
Why would I take cut in pay and have to commute to an office to work for Apple?
You don’t know if a hefty bonus may be in store.
Is that worth the ‘prestige’ of having Apple in your CV? Are you going to be working on a markably more interesting project than what Microsoft or even a smaller company are offering?
Maybe.
 
This is begging for a citation.

So they will rehire.

You don’t know if a hefty bonus may be in store.

Maybe.
Generally Apple pays bonuses well in the UK, about 70% of the base, as well as RSU.

Talent from Apple heading out is generally variable, and Apple went on a bit of a hiring spree in the past two years.

Your comment about QA is somewhat more on point, they have(d) a vigorous QA process which was just broken.
 
I'd love for Apple to build a campus in Italy; however we have a couple beautiful apple stores, specifically the "Piazza Liberty" one in Milan and the one on "Via del corso" in Rome.
 
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