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Those Apple offices always look awesome from the outside but the offices themselves look quite awful (including those in the donut)

There is a not-very-serious rivalry between north and south London. North Londoners consider north of the river to be real London. I couldn’t possibly comment (I was born in north London), but everything you think of when someone says London to you is probably north of the river. When the Romans founded Londinium it’s where the financial district is now, ie north of the river. North of the river is where all the important stuff is; to give you an idea - in Shakespeare’s time south of the river was for pubs, brothels and theatres.

You might compare it to, say, someone saying that the ‘real’ New York is Manhattan.
South London seems awesome :D
 
There has to be cheaper/less iconic realestate, even in London.

Since when has Apple been interested in cheaper, less iconic locations? This is the company that spent over $5 billion building Apple Park!

Google are spending over £1 billion on their own iconic London HQ for 4000 staff at King's Cross [1], and spent another £1 billion this year buying out their building at Central Saint Giles (near Tottenham Court Road). So if anything, Apple are just playing catch up!

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/busines...oogles-new-uk-hq-as-long-as-the-shard-is-tall
 
Bit tone deaf to open new offices when more and more developers are working from home and we are turning down jobs that require visits to the office.

Those days will come to an end. Not tomorrow or next week, but the return to the office is coming.

Your employer knows... If you can work from home and relocate to Boulder, your job can be fulfilled from Hyderabad.
 
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Those days will come to an end. Not tomorrow or next week, but the return to the office is coming.

Your employer knows... If you can work from home and relocate to Boulder, your job can be fulfilled from Hyderabad.
That’s not how it works. You can’t replace skilled developers with lower cost options. Even today if I want to hire someone elsewhere in the world they are competing at the same wage levels as someone in Scotland.

I know the end of pointless middle managers and social interactions in an office are scary to some. But the rest of just get on with our jobs instead of having to talk to you when we should be working.
 
That’s not how it works. You can’t replace skilled developers with lower cost options. Even today if I want to hire someone elsewhere in the world they are competing at the same wage levels as someone in Scotland.

I know the end of pointless middle managers and social interactions in an office are scary to some. But the rest of just get on with our jobs instead of having to talk to you when we should be working.
The point you're making is skilled developers is important - we were going to hire / build a team out in India, but the cost was that there was insufficient skilled developers there, even infrastructure engineers are difficult to find.
 
The point you're making is skilled developers is important - we were going to hire / build a team out in India, but the cost was that there was insufficient skilled developers there, even infrastructure engineers are difficult to find.
It is sometimes hard to find skilled developers regardless of location. More than once I’ve had to hire developers skilled in completely different areas and retrain them in a specific programming language due to the lack of local developers that know said specific language.
 
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It is sometimes hard to find skilled developers regardless of location. More than once I’ve had to hire developers skilled in completely different areas and retrain them in a specific programming language due to the lack of local developers that know said specific language.
And there it is: languages aren’t as important as the concepts
 
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An upgrade to the neighborhood, for sure.


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Ha ha, charade you are!
That is the best comment on this thread. 😄 👍

Speaking of those lyrics from the song “Pigs (Three Different Ones)”, its songwriter Roger Waters said the first pig in the first verse is businessmen in general. I think Tim Cook fits the lyrics’ description well. Therefore, I think Apple should recreate the Animals album’s cover art using an inflatable Tim Cook (instead of the original inflatable pig) flying over Battersea Power Station. 😄

Maybe when Apple announces the next iPhone, they should show off its camera’s capabilities with that shot. 😄
 
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