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New Apple Displays?

michael666 said:
It is three more cords: power supply + USB + Firewire.
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No. It may be three more cords.

... assuming Apple doesn't do something clever. Considering Apple was clever enough to come up with ADC in the first place, I'd be surprised if they didn't achieve similar results whilst ditching the proprietary ADC connector.

People have already speculated how this could be done. Using one extra 'combo' cable to connect to the screen, with firewire and USB connectors breaking out at the other end is a possibility. Heck, it could even be possible to bundle power into that as well.

This might have a couple of advantages. I don't own a current ADC-capable display, but I'd imagine that for those who need it, getting a proprietary ADC extension cable for positioning the screen far from the Mac could well be difficult and/or expensive. At any rate, Apple would be the only supplier. With Bluetooth keyboards and mice, it's not beyond belief that people might want more freedom in relocating the screen. With a 'combo' cable as described above, users are free to extend whichever connectors they use as far as they need using standard off-the-shelf USB or Firewire extension cables.

Secondly, dropping ADC could lead to a quicker supply of leading-edge Mac-compatible graphics cards from the major vendors. A whole new variant of the card with an ADC connector as well as DVI would no longer be needed.

Overall, I'd suggest waiting to see what Apple come up with before furrowing our brows :)
 
question

would the firewireless standard have enough bandwith to pump HD signal to the rumored screens? If so, then all you would need is the power cord the monitor would then provide the firewire ports and usb ports.

T
 
Widescreen all the way!

SpamJunkie said:
You've got to be kidding. Wide is best for two page designs like magazines. Even if for some odd reason you only design portrait posters you can still move all of your palettes to the side and get more screen real estate.
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Absolutely correct, I couldn't agree more! I just don't buy the argument of long-time Mac users that say they do not like widescreen displays because it limits their ability to do work. Give me a break! Go back to your old VGA displays if it is so bad! We're talking a 10% difference (if that) in vertical resolution and about as much additionally in horizontal resolution. Besides, if you're going to scroll... who wants to scroll left to right? That is the point of widescreen displays, it allows you to scroll up and down more than left to right and it provides a much more pleasing aspect ratio than the standard display. Your eyes certainly see much more out the sides than they do top and bottom, so why shouldn't your screen reflect this? I've been amazed that PC makers haven't followed this trend as quickly. But all you need to do is look at the PBs and see the beauty of that design in portability... nothing like having a widescreen display. Now if they can drop the prices, then more of us can actually enjoy them!
 
Laslo Panaflex said:
So with built in firewire, does that mean there is a firewire cable to connect the monitor to the computer and to make a firewire hub. I don't know, this really doesn't make much sense, DVI doesn't carry power, so you need to plug it in to power also.
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Don't know if anyone has covered this. -- how much power can the firewire 800 cable carry? Could that replace the power cable and brick? Could the restriction be attached the the adoption of firewire 800 cables?
 
Frobozz said:
I agree. No ADC requirement means ATI / nVidia 3rd party contractors can build cards for Apple faster. Doesn't necessarily mean they will...
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Expect to see ATI and nVidia badged employees sitting at desks in Cupertino. Apple can pay their salaries and when the hardware comes off the factory line they can have the Mac firmware ready to flash in.

This would cost Apple somewhere around a million dollars a year. For that they get to have the hottest video cards in their machines.

Somebody else mentioned that Apple was actually manufacturing the cards for ATI & nVidia, putting their chips on Apple cards with ADC? Is this true? If it is, they also get to close down that factory, saving a bundle of money.
 
pncc said:
Someone want to explain to me how FireWire ports are going to work? With ADC, the USB cabling was within the ADC cable. With that gone, where is the FireWire cable coming from?? DVI Certainly can't handle that. This MUST be a FireWire HUB right?
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And does the FireWire hub have any connection to the display circuitry...hmmm...
 
daveg5 said:
Didnt Apple have to go to a DVI over ADC because ADC is limited to 1920X1200 max. plus power plus USB, even VGA is Higher then ADC.​
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Hmm, I remember the talk back when ADC came out was that ADC could handle higher resolutions than DVI.

Could Apple be focused on HDTV convergence, counting on a 1920x1200 max as being the top end for Macs for a while?

Other DVI vendors are using multiple DVI connectors for high-res screens. I'd sure like to see 200dpi screens before long.

It seems more likely that somebody has figured out an improved signalling method that allows higher resolutions to be carried on DVI.
 
Laslo Panaflex said:
Oh, and you forgot that anyone with an existing ADC monitor has to buy a ADC to DVI adapter if they want to upgrade their video cards because the new video cards don't have the then obsoleted ADC connector.

Sounds great to me :rolleyes:
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ADC is a buggy whip. Apple's doing the right thing for their future customers. They ought to make the ADC DVI adapters available for cost to do the right thing for their past customers.

I never bought an ADC display because I knew it was non-standard and when you buy non-standard technology you have to expect to get stranded. Sure, some consumers were uneducated, but that's life.
 
Photorun said:
ThinkSecret did INDEED say on Monday that the G5s were coming out on Tuesday, they assured us of it, they were wrong, they've been wrong before, they'll be wrong again.
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Of all the things to call ThinkSecret to the mat on, being off by 1 day on a product introduction seems awfully picayune.
 
If these monitors come out with DVI and get marketed as Mac + PC, can anyone imagine them doing a deal similar to the iPod, where HP would help distribute them, possibly by re-branding them, maybe even in HP blue. Thr protential problem I see in selling these to PC users is people often buy monitors with the system they buy at the same time or the one they already have. Apples distribution doesn't feature in these places except CompUSa and maybe a few other places. With the iPod, it is more a device people will ask for for christmas or seek out to buy because it is cool etc...A regular monitor is not really like that, no matter how stylish, and it's in a whole different price bracket. If HP distributed them as an option with their computers then a big market opens up and many more retail partners to get them in places where people will be looking to buy their computer and screen. Plus a HP branded one would match the computer and hPod better. Do HP actually already make screens or do they just rebrand them?

Would be nice if they had a iPod dock built into them, but I gues the two firewire ports can be used for a iSight and to charge/sync the iPod. If this was wall hangable with the iSight on the top it could be a pretty wild video conferincing/computer/home cinema set up...provinding there was a hdtv tuner available. Some tie in with airport express would be nice. Maybe like being able to use it to control iTunes on the hi-fi and download music to a iPod without a computer attached, just a thin client in some sort of tivo come hdtv box that attaches to the screen.
 
Any word or ideas as to when these suckas might be released?

I guess WWDC is the perfect time because Steve can just say "here they are" and not need to waste much time explaining them, cause well, they're monitors.
 
It would make sense for Steve to release new displays at WWDC. The $500 rebate along with a G5 purchase ends just prior to the event.
 
I dont know where i read it but it said adc was limited to 1920X1200 while VGA and DVI could go higher, it makes sense as ADC is doing more things. also there are cards on the PC side that run the 24" sony monitor at a resolutions similar to the new Apple 30" and IBM's LCD DVI monitors even higher.
does anyone have that tehnical info.
I am guessing all Powermac G5 with the FireGL card installed will run the 30", including PC's. also expectfantastic drivers for motion final cut and Apple Pro Apps.
QUOTE=ClimbingTheLog]Hmm, I remember the talk back when ADC came out was that ADC could handle higher resolutions than DVI. https://forums.macrumors.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=877948#

Could Apple be focused on HDTV convergence, counting on a 1920x1200 max as being the top end for Macs for a while?

Other DVI vendors are using multiple DVI connectors for high-res screens. I'd sure like to see 200dpi screens before long.

It seems more likely that somebody has figured out an improved signalling method that allows higher resolutions to be carried on DVI.[/QUOTE] :)
 
Soire said:
Any word or ideas as to when these suckas might be released?
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Two days after I break down and buy that 23" sony.... :p

Seriously though, ThinkSecret had it right.. there is no reason not to trust in there other information as well. I wish they just had a date... all bets are off. All signs point to after the brilliant savings promo ends.
 
To those that don't like this potential design, is it the shape that is unappealing or the whole design?

Note that it could look totally different when it has its actual color and materials on it. I bet the current displays would not look as attractive if you made them into single colored "Artists renderings."

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I'm with everyone in wanting to figure out whats up with the G5 only requirement on the 30. Doesn't make much sense unless there is some reason why a certain graphics card wouldn't fit in other systems. (bus speed needed, etc)

I'm remaining hopeful for a $2500 or less price point on the 30", but thats just my wallet hoping. :)

I'm about to switch and I figure if I am going to switch I should switch in style with a 2.5 G5 and a 30" monitor. I'd hate to have to buy less CPU to afford that 30" monitor. ;)

Now time to dig into geometry and estimate the size :)
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Update...did some rough calculations and my math could suck, but I'm guessing the display part (without the stand) is about 27.1" wide and 17.5" high (if it has a 1" border around the display).
 
dstorey said:
If these monitors come out with DVI and get marketed as Mac + PC, can anyone imagine them doing a deal similar to the iPod, where HP would help distribute them, possibly by re-branding them, maybe even in HP blue. Thr protential problem I see in selling these to PC users is people often buy monitors with the system they buy at the same time or the one they already have.
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I bet if they market them Mac+PC (which seems to be Apple's trend lately) they'll sell a lot to PC owners, but I don't see a need for them to partner with HP like they did for the iPod. With the Mac a shrinking niche market, even without the power supply issue it makes a lot of sense for Apple to ditch ADC and make something PC users can put on their desk too (yeah, I know you can ADC-to-DVI but then you can't change brightness, and most PC users would be turned off by that and the extra $100 cable). It just makes Apple even less Mac-dependent--if the Mac line fades further, they can make it up in high-end flat panel sales and iPods. Good for shareholders, I guess, but I'd still rather see Apple focus on producing a Mac without an integrated monitor for less than $1999...I won't be replacing my PowerMac G4 anytime soon at those prices...
 
Just a high profit idea!

Maybe they will lower the price of the dual G4 1.25 to $999 and a dual boot dual G4 1.5-$1299 or so, those are pure profit already, A lot of switchers, poor school districts are dying for an upgradeable Mac tower under a $1000 to switch too, where they can use there current Monitor and software if older macs are still in use, that is at least as expandable as their PC. for schools, colleges, musicians, photographers on a budget , Give it Appleworks, Quicken A few more Games, Apple couldn't keep them in stock, would probably take a few sales from the emac and increase Market-share, but would not encroach on 64bit imacs and G5's. I say do it, slow buss be Darned!
 
daveg5 said:
Maybe they will lower the price of the dual G4 1.25 to $999 and a dual boot dual G4 1.5-$1299 or so
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I'm assuming you're rounding up... :)

I'd love to see that happen.
 
multifinder said:
I bet if they market them Mac+PC (which seems to be Apple's trend lately) they'll sell a lot to PC owners, but I don't see a need for them to partner with HP like they did for the iPod. With the Mac a shrinking niche market, even without the power supply issue it makes a lot of sense for Apple to ditch ADC and make something PC users can put on their desk too (yeah, I know you can ADC-to-DVI but then you can't change brightness, and most PC users would be turned off by that and the extra $100 cable). It just makes Apple even less Mac-dependent--if the Mac line fades further, they can make it up in high-end flat panel sales and iPods. Good for shareholders, I guess, but I'd still rather see Apple focus on producing a Mac without an integrated monitor for less than $1999...I won't be replacing my PowerMac G4 anytime soon at those prices...
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Very Sweet Post and....logical. I think we will see more of this. if they were smart they would ship a handicap version of OSX to PC.
 
daveg5 said:
Maybe they will lower the price of the dual G4 1.25 to $999 and a dual boot dual G4 1.5-$1299 or so, those are pure profit already, A lot of switchers, poor school districts are dying for an upgradeable Mac tower under a $1000 to switch too, where they can use there current Monitor and software if older macs are still in use, that is at least as expandable as their PC. for schools, colleges, musicians, photographers on a budget , Give it Appleworks, Quicken A few more Games, Apple couldn't keep them in stock, would probably take a few sales from the emac and increase Market-share, but would not encroach on 64bit imacs and G5's. I say do it, slow buss be Darned!
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Unfortunately, I saw on MacCentral they're discontinuing the PowerMac G4--but I think you're right, it would be smart to have a good tower or headless Mac at that price though.

I hope what Apple's doing is making the PowerMac clearly high-end with the higher price and dual processors across the board (no comment on the video cards...) so that they can then introduce a new, headless mid-range iMac. I think the integrated-monitor model in the original iMac was great for first-time and low-end computer buyers, but switchers and people looking to upgrade older Mac towers want a "headless" Mac like the Cube was, only at a resonable price. Otherwise your investment in a monitor, especially people with flat screens that cost $500+, is shot if you switch.

If Apple replaced the iMac with a single-processor 1.6GHz G5, either a Cube or minitower with cool styling, priced at $999 I think they'd sell like crazy. If the G5 heatsink is too big for a Cube, they could put it in a minitower with a case that changes colors, I can just see the TV commericals where some Gen X guy gets dumped and his iMac goes from red to blue. And with all the PowerMacs dual CPU now, a single CPU Cube/new iMac wouldn't cannibalize PowerMac sales as much.
 
30" display with Xstation?

Maybe we are missing something BIG. Think Secret said there is a lot of talk about quad machines. Their rumors so far was very precise - at least in this 18./2.0./2.5 G5 scenario.

Maybe Steve would present an whole new series of Macintosh? High-end workstation line for video/music/biogenetics professionals?

Arguments:

1) Motion, Shake, FCP HD and DVD SP are huge software packages for audience that don't have problem with budget. Also, those kind of software really needs power. Apple was very agressive with taking the part of that market in recent time.

2) Recent Apple efforts with super-computing clusters showed that THERE IS market for high-power machines.

3) Jobs didn't make anything "Woooow!" this year. He'll lose his carisma if he doesn't do something.

4) 30" display needs a card in X800 class. 30" display needs other than ADC solution. Not a one product in Apple line support that now - so that "Xstation" could be just that - and a perfect match for 30" display.

P.S.
Sorry for my bad English.
 
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