New Apple iPhone Ads: Bryce, Kristin, Ken

[yoyon8]

Looks like you quoted several different people all in one long quote related to me. Not very cool. But in any case, if you read the threads, I don't object to people's opinions, I object when they state things as fact that are wrong and misleading.

It only proves you are the one misinformed and misleading people.

About Kristin:
1 She has being using a Sony phone to blog
http://greatdance.com/danceblog/archives/mobile_and_handheld/000314.php
2 She is a proffesional model
http://www.kristinsloan.com/gallery/
3 Adds could be better, hence the whining

But Kristin saved the production. This tread proves it ...Hang on Apple ( I don't blame you).

 

[nickbates]

Looks like you quoted several different people all in one long quote related to me. Not very cool. But in any case, if you read the threads, I don't object to people's opinions, I object when they state things as fact that are wrong and misleading.

It only proves you are the one misinformed and misleading people.

About Kristin:
1 She has being using a Sony phone to blog
http://greatdance.com/danceblog/archives/mobile_and_handheld/000314.php
2 She is a proffesional model
http://www.kristinsloan.com/gallery/
3 Adds could be better, hence the whining

But Kristin saved the production. This tread proves it ...Hang on Apple ( I don't blame you).

What are you talking about? It's like you are arguing a completely different point against me or something. Where exactly am I "misinformed and misleading" people? Please give me a specific example and if true, I'll apologize. You accuse me of this by responding to my response that said "Looks like you quoted several different people all in one long quote related to me." and that was true. You obviously don't know how to "multi quote" and you made it look like the entire quote was attributed to me when it wasn't. So again, please explain where I have misinformed and/or mislead anyone.

And what does Kristen using a Sony phone (back in 2005) and her being a professional model have anything to do with her iPhone story? And what does it have to do with the main point of my response which was, Apple wouldn't create a fake blog way back in 2004 just to support an actor for a commercial they're doing in 2007, especially when it has already been shown to be actual people that have submitted their iPhone stories?

 

[megfilmworks]

The tower controller's competence has nothing to do with weather. The tower controller's sphere is clearing planes for take-off and landing. There is also a clearance controller, a ground controller for taxiing, and an approach or departure controller when in the air near the airport environment, local controllers, not to mention TRACON (Terminal Radar Aprroach Control) controllers, ARTCC (Air Route Control Center) Controllers or "Centers", and finally ATCSCC Controllers (Air Traffic Control System Command Center)... lotta people to make it work... but as the pilot in the commercial said, he called dispatch, which all the airlines have and they look at the weather and best route, etc. to keep operations going, noticed I didn't say smoothly and on time, but to coordinate and get the flight up in the air sooner AFTER the weather passed, but glad the commercial made you laugh for five minutes straight... now if your're interested in a little reading material that pilots have to read, learn, study and be tested on... http://www.risingup.com/fars/

Being a pilot myself, "competence of tower controller" has nothing to do with it. The most basic of basic of Federal Aviation Regulations known as FAR's, which believe me has a lot of rules and governement speak, is this...

Sec. 91.3 - Responsibility and authority of the pilot in command.

(a) The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft.

(b) In an in-flight emergency requiring immediate action, the pilot in command may deviate from any rule of this part to the extent required to meet that emergency.

(c) Each pilot in command who deviates from a rule under paragraph (b) of this section shall, upon the request of the Administrator, send a written report of that deviation to the Administrator.

See what I mean about government speak... that's just Part 91 concerning General Operating and Flight Rules, Part 61 contains the info for Certifcation of Pilots, Part 135 for Charter Ops and Part 121 Certification and Operations that the big boys use (airlines)

But to get back to the premise of my comment, as stated by the very basic of flight rules, it is the pilot in command, not the competency of tower controller, that makes the decisions to ensure the safety of the flight and when to go or not go.

Just thought you ought ot know.

Thank you for some real information and facts in response to the numbskulls who think they know everything!

 

[nickbates]

Just a quick follow up, there is a great, short article regarding the possible reasoning behind using these real people in these ads: http://valleywag.com/tech/advertising/apples-new-iphone-ads-befuddle-the-nerds-308359.php

From the article:

Why is Apple's advertising so successful? Because, one could argue, it doesn't let its engineers design its advertising. Apple is running new iPhone ads which apparently puzzle nerdly sorts like TechCrunch editor Michael Arrington. The ads feature "regular people" talking about how their lives have been improved by the iPhone. Of the three ads, the phone itself makes just one two-second appearance, when a businessman touts its "visual voicemail" feature. The rest of the time, it's just some guy telling a story about how the iPhone makes his life better. Arrington doesn't like the ads, asking "where's the phone?" Michael, don't quit your day job. These ads are brilliant. After the jump, an analysis of why -- and a clip so you can judge for yourself.


It's a lesson from Marketing 101, but one that most of Silicon Valley has yet to learn: Tout benefits, not features. The iPhone has visual voicemail (that's a feature) so that you can listen to just the messages you want (that's a benefit). This new set of ads is all about benefits. They show real people using their phones and loving them. In all the hoopla about bricking and unlocking, we forget that if you want to sell 10 million of something, you have to sell to everyone, not just TechCrunch's readership. What better way to sell to the average person -- to pass, as they call it, "the Mom test" -- than to show average people using your product?

 

[megfilmworks]

I agree. You nailed it.
Most techies are not artists (although some artists are techies!) and as such have no feel for this type of advertising. They also make lousy comedians. Hey techies, don't quit your day job!

 

[yoyon8]

Were you informed?

What are you talking about? It's like you are arguing a completely different point against me or something. Where exactly am I "misinformed and misleading" people? Please give me a specific example and if true, I'll apologize. You accuse me of this by responding to my response that said "Looks like you quoted several different people all in one long quote related to me." and that was true. You obviously don't know how to "multi quote" and you made it look like the entire quote was attributed to me when it wasn't. So again, please explain where I have misinformed and/or mislead anyone.

And what does Kristen using a Sony phone (back in 2005) and her being a professional model have anything to do with her iPhone story? And what does it have to do with the main point of my response which was, Apple wouldn't create a fake blog way back in 2004 just to support an actor for a commercial they're doing in 2007, especially when it has already been shown to be actual people that have submitted their iPhone stories?

Did you know before your first aggressive post that?

1. Kristie is a professional model
2. She used a Sony for her blog, before

If you did, I will gladly apologize and recognize you were not misinformed and/or mislead anyone, like you are accusing others.

I love apple, and I don't see anything wrong with using pros like Kristie. It is advertising. None here can prove or care if they were paid or users. Neither you should try.

 

[genshi]

What are you talking about? It's like you are arguing a completely different point against me or something. Where exactly am I "misinformed and misleading" people? Please give me a specific example and if true, I'll apologize. You accuse me of this by responding to my response that said "Looks like you quoted several different people all in one long quote related to me." and that was true. You obviously don't know how to "multi quote" and you made it look like the entire quote was attributed to me when it wasn't. So again, please explain where I have misinformed and/or mislead anyone.

And what does Kristen using a Sony phone (back in 2005) and her being a professional model have anything to do with her iPhone story? And what does it have to do with the main point of my response which was, Apple wouldn't create a fake blog way back in 2004 just to support an actor for a commercial they're doing in 2007, especially when it has already been shown to be actual people that have submitted their iPhone stories?

Did you know before your first aggressive post that?

1. Kristie is a professional model
2. She used a Sony for her blog, before

If you did, I will gladly apologize and recognize you were not misinformed and/or mislead anyone, like you are accusing others.

I love apple, and I don't see anything wrong with using pros like Kristie. It is advertising. None here can prove or care if they were paid or users. Neither you should try.

I think you missed the point of angry nick's post. The fact that Kristin used a Sony phone in 2005 and that she was/ is a professional model and ballet dance is irrelevant to all of this. Though nick seems pretty wound up in most of his posts, he isn't being misleading or spreading FUD as has been mentioned by him and others. The point I think he is trying to make is that if people took the time to do even the slightest bit of research and use a bit of common sense, then you will find that yes, these are the actual real and regular people that submitted their stories of their iPhones to Apple and in most cases, they were flown in to either New York or L.A. to make the ads (with the first 3 ads being filmed in New York and the latest 3 in Los Angeles I believe.)

 

[Lesser Evets]

schWinger

...dot com.

 

[nickbates]

I agree. You nailed it.
Most techies are not artists (although some artists are techies!) and as such have no feel for this type of advertising. They also make lousy comedians. Hey techies, don't quit your day job!

Thank you.

Did you know before your first aggressive post that?

1. Kristie is a professional model
2. She used a Sony for her blog, before

If you did, I will gladly apologize and recognize you were not misinformed and/or mislead anyone, like you are accusing others.

I love apple, and I don't see anything wrong with using pros like Kristie. It is advertising. None here can prove or care if they were paid or users. Neither you should try.

That has nothing to do with my point at all. Yes, I did know about her blog because before I posted I looked up both her blog and her gallery (I ALWAYS do my research first) and thought, "cool she has a pretty cool blog for dancers" but again, what does that or the fact that she used to model have to do with her iPhone story that she submitted and her subsequent ad? And what does her using a Sony phone in the 2005 example that you posted have to do with the iPhone story she submitted and her subsequent ad? And I never said she wasn't paid. I'm sure they've been compensated for their time and their expenses. What I am saying is that it is fairly well know (if you do the smallest bit of research without having to have your hand held every step of the way) that these are not, by trade, professional actors that were hired to do these ads to pretend that they are iPhone owners. They are iPhone owners, they submitted their stories, they got chosen to be in the ad. Period.

I think you missed the point of angry nick's post. The fact that Kristin used a Sony phone in 2005 and that she was/ is a professional model and ballet dance is irrelevant to all of this. Though nick seems pretty wound up in most of his posts, he isn't being misleading or spreading FUD as has been mentioned by him and others. The point I think he is trying to make is that if people took the time to do even the slightest bit of research and use a bit of common sense, then you will find that yes, these are the actual real and regular people that submitted their stories of their iPhones to Apple and in most cases, they were flown in to either New York or L.A. to make the ads (with the first 3 ads being filmed in New York and the latest 3 in Los Angeles I believe.)

Again, thank you and I do apologize if I come off angry... I think I need a chill pill!

 

[yoyon8]

Agree

I think you missed the point of angry nick's post. The fact that Kristin used a Sony phone in 2005 and that she was/ is a professional model and ballet dance is irrelevant to all of this. Though nick seems pretty wound up in most of his posts, he isn't being misleading or spreading FUD as has been mentioned by him and others. The point I think he is trying to make is that if people took the time to do even the slightest bit of research and use a bit of common sense, then you will find that yes, these are the actual real and regular people that submitted their stories of their iPhones to Apple and in most cases, they were flown in to either New York or L.A. to make the ads (with the first 3 ads being filmed in New York and the latest 3 in Los Angeles I believe.)

Nicely said. H.K. McCann (Who launched one of the largest and oldest US ad agencies) has being quoted to state: "Truth Well Told."

 

[nickbates]

Did you know before your first aggressive post that?

1. Kristie is a professional model
2. She used a Sony for her blog, before

If you did, I will gladly apologize and recognize you were not misinformed and/or mislead anyone, like you are accusing others.

I love apple, and I don't see anything wrong with using pros like Kristie. It is advertising. None here can prove or care if they were paid or users. Neither you should try.

A quick follow up sense you seemed obsessed with the fact that she once had a Sony phone (as if she is lying in the ad about taking pictures with her iPhone) if you look through her blog, thewinger.com, going back a couple of months she actually tags her posts where she used her iPhone... before these new ads. Looks like around end of July/ beginning of August she switched to the iPhone (at least for posting photos to her blog.). Proof enough if you ask me.

 

[yoyon8]

I apologise

Thank you.



That has nothing to do with my point at all. Yes, I did know about her blog because before I posted I looked up both her blog and her gallery (I ALWAYS do my research first) and thought, "cool she has a pretty cool blog for dancers" but again, what does that or the fact that she used to model have to do with her iPhone story that she submitted and her subsequent ad? And what does her using a Sony phone in the 2005 example that you posted have to do with the iPhone story she submitted and her subsequent ad? And I never said she wasn't paid. I'm sure they've been compensated for their time and their expenses. What I am saying is that it is fairly well know (if you do the smallest bit of research without having to have your hand held every step of the way) that these are not, by trade, professional actors that were hired to do these ads to pretend that they are iPhone owners. They are iPhone owners, they submitted their stories, they got chosen to be in the ad. Period.



Again, thank you and I do apologize if I come off angry... I think I need a chill pill!

If you did knew, I sincerely apologize and get your point very well. Just was trying to moderate a bit.

Still love Kristin "The Winger", do

 

[yoyon8]

A quick follow up sense you seemed obsessed with the fact that she once had a Sony phone (as if she is lying in the ad about taking pictures with her iPhone) if you look through her blog, thewinger.com, going back a couple of months she actually tags her posts where she used her iPhone... before these new ads. Looks like around end of July/ beginning of August she switched to the iPhone (at least for posting photos to her blog.). Proof enough if you ask me.

Here we go again...

 

[genshi]

If you did knew, I sincerely apologize and get your point very well. Just was trying to moderate a bit.

Still love Kristin "The Winger", do

Here we go again...

Hold your horses there yoyon8, nicky there posted his factual response before you apologized and then made your "here we go again" statement. Not sure who voted you moderator but you may still be a little wet-behind-the-ears for all of this. Take a deep breath and leave well enough alone (that goes for you too nick!) Dang, now I sound like I'm moderating... where's my referee shirt?

 

[thebassoonist]

i like the ad with kristen! that actually makes me want an iphone...

 

[nvbrit]

Where is the well known fact that they ARE iPhone owners, submitted their stories and were chosen? Isn't it possible they took the stories people had submitted and then placed ads in the respective cities to hire people to come and act on the commercials to give the appearance of being the people telling their stories that were submitted from the website. There is no real fact on anything, however the way these people come across in the ads does not appear as if real people were just recounting their stories from memory that they had personally experienced. The ads are supposed to give that impression but the polished way it is presented clearly shows that these people are acting (whether professional actors or not) and reading a script. Are they the actual people telling their own actual stories? Who knows, there is no way of proving either way.

 

[yoyon8]

Hold your horses there yoyon8, nicky there posted his factual response before you apologized and then made your "here we go again" statement. Not sure who voted you moderator but you may still be a little wet-behind-the-ears for all of this. Take a deep breath and leave well enough alone (that goes for you too nick!) Dang, now I sound like I'm moderating... where's my referee shirt?

When I returned writing my apology I saw the new comment. Sorry, could not resist. Will you forgive me and aloud me to remain in this forum, please.

 

[nickbates]

Where is the well known fact that they ARE iPhone owners, submitted their stories and were chosen? Isn't it possible they took the stories people had submitted and then placed ads in the respective cities to hire people to come and act on the commercials to give the appearance of being the people telling their stories that were submitted from the website. There is no real fact on anything, however the way these people come across in the ads does not appear as if real people were just recounting their stories from memory that they had personally experienced. The ads are supposed to give that impression but the polished way it is presented clearly shows that these people are acting (whether professional actors or not) and reading a script. Are they the actual people telling their own actual stories? Who knows, there is no way of proving either way.

You know what, I am sick of you and having to hold your hand to explain every little thing. As I stated before, DO THE RESEARCH and you will find these people on the ads talking about how they are going to be in the ad based on their stories and you will even find their friends on other blogs saying "Hey, I go to school with that guy and Apple just flew him out from Chicago to do that ad." or "Yep, he's my roommate and he always has his big black car parked at that garage." A little fyi for you, I work in the industry and was there at one of the filming's (I'm a boom operator and no, to whoever said this was done inside a studio because it's easier to recreate the city instead of "controlling" the street, you are wrong.) and I KNOW that these people are NOT actors.

Now stop saying "who knows" and get a life.

 

[nvbrit]

You know what, I am sick of you and having to hold your hand to explain every little thing. As I stated before, DO THE RESEARCH and you will find these people on the ads talking about how they are going to be in the ad based on their stories and you will even find their friends on other blogs saying "Hey, I go to school with that guy and Apple just flew him out from Chicago to do that ad." or "Yep, he's my roommate and he always has his big black car parked at that garage." A little fyi for you, I work in the industry and was there at one of the filming's (I'm a boom operator and no, to whoever said this was done inside a studio because it's easier to recreate the city instead of "controlling" the street, you are wrong.) and I KNOW that these people are NOT actors.

Now stop saying "who knows" and get a life.

It's interesting that through all these post you only now mentioned that surprise surprise you were there and are a boom operator, that's funny!

The FACTS:
All the actors are REAL people ie. not computer animated or hand drawn
They ARE telling stories about the iphone
They may be actors (professionally or not)
Some of them do have blogs and do use the iPhone

THE UNKNOWN:
WE don't know if these people submitted their stores to Apple
We don't know if they are telling REAL stores, or just scripted scenarios
We don't know if the stories they are telling actually happened to them
We don't know if they were just hired and paid by apple to appear as normal everyday people to give the right impression in the ads.

Spend some time on the internet, do a search under "people in iPhone ads are actors" and there is also lots of evidence to suggest that they are where the term 'actor' in it's simplest terms means "a theatrical performer" and does nto necessarily mean the person is a professional actor, a full time actor, or acted prior to this occasion.

 

[iMACTASTIC]

I couldn't resist...had to lookup winger on Urban Dictionary.

This is what i found

"A Jewish slang word for penis. Particularly one belonging to a gorilla.

Did you see that gorilla? He had one hell of a winger!

tags penis cock shlong johnson woody pecker dick thing chubby third leg wang wiggly worm phallus
by Malik J Wallace Dusseldorf, Germany May 22, 2007 email it "

 

[yoyon8]

Prove it you were there

You know what, I am sick of you and having to hold your hand to explain every little thing. As I stated before, DO THE RESEARCH and you will find these people on the ads talking about how they are going to be in the ad based on their stories and you will even find their friends on other blogs saying "Hey, I go to school with that guy and Apple just flew him out from Chicago to do that ad." or "Yep, he's my roommate and he always has his big black car parked at that garage." A little fyi for you, I work in the industry and was there at one of the filming's (I'm a boom operator and no, to whoever said this was done inside a studio because it's easier to recreate the city instead of "controlling" the street, you are wrong.) and I KNOW that these people are NOT actors.

Now stop saying "who knows" and get a life.

And I am getting tired of you. Prove you were there, if not, you suffer dilutions. You just pick on everybody reasoning with you. I agree, no one here can prove they are not pros nor they are. Except you I guess. This has being your point all day.

 

[nickbates]

It's interesting that through all these post you only now mentioned that surprise surprise you were there and are a boom operator, that's funny!

I didn't work that particular L.A. shoot, but I was there because I am friends with the fellow boom operators that were there. I try not to give too much about my personal life on forums in case people like you start stalking me. And if I was going to lie about being at the shoot, I would choose a much better position for my self than boom operator (not that I'm knocking it, but...)

The FACTS:
All the actors are REAL people ie. not computer animated or hand drawn
They ARE telling stories about the iphone
They may be actors (professionally or not)
Some of them do have blogs and do use the iPhone

THE UNKNOWN:
WE don't know if these people submitted their stores to Apple
We don't know if they are telling REAL stores, or just scripted scenarios
We don't know if the stories they are telling actually happened to them
We don't know if they were just hired and paid by apple to appear as normal everyday people to give the right impression in the ads.

Which is why I finally gave up and conceded to you by saying "Touché" last time, but no, you had to keep on and on even after other people backed me up.

Here:

You guys really ARE determined to make MacRumors posters look like idiots, aren't you? (And, no, these folks OBVIOUSLY aren't actors...they don't have the voice work trained good trained actors do).(Well, OK...maybe Ken...he has the look of a former actor who couldn't hack it and went into producing, but still....)

And here:

Actually, no...because the FTC requires you to mark it when you use an actor in place of a real person.

Besides...I think it's easier to select for people with interesting stories AND who can present themselves well--it's not just that hard to do that in real life. Just because it might be hard for some people, doesn't mean it's hard for others (I mean, you got BUSINESS people fer crissakes who can do that...)

and here:

I think you missed the point of angry nick's post. The fact that Kristin used a Sony phone in 2005 and that she was/ is a professional model and ballet dance is irrelevant to all of this. Though nick seems pretty wound up in most of his posts, he isn't being misleading or spreading FUD as has been mentioned by him and others. The point I think he is trying to make is that if people took the time to do even the slightest bit of research and use a bit of common sense, then you will find that yes, these are the actual real and regular people that submitted their stories of their iPhones to Apple and in most cases, they were flown in to either New York or L.A. to make the ads (with the first 3 ads being filmed in New York and the latest 3 in Los Angeles I believe.)

Spend some time on the internet, do a search under "people in iPhone ads are actors" and there is also lots of evidence to suggest that they are where the term 'actor' in it's simplest terms means "a theatrical performer" and does nto necessarily mean the person is a professional actor, a full time actor, or acted prior to this occasion.

Now you are just being ridiculous. So which is it, are they just actors lying about being real iPhone users, or are they "theatrical performers"?

And I am getting tired of you. Prove you were there, if not, you suffer dilutions. You just pick on everybody reasoning with you. I agree, no one here can prove they are not pros nor they are. Except you I guess. This has being your point all day.

Prove I was there? Ok, prove what you had for breakfast yesterday. Come on, simple enough, it was only yesterday. I'm SO sick of you little kiddies, I don't need to prove anything to you, I wasn't "picking" on everybody I was calling out those that claimed they knew for sure that these were actors and not actual iPhone users even though they had absolutely no proof or even a theory to back it up. It was pure speculation on their part and now I'm being attacked by the two of you like spoiled little brats that can't get their way.

Enough is enough, let it rest!

 

[nvbrit]

And I am getting tired of you. Prove you were there, if not, you suffer dilutions. You just pick on everybody reasoning with you. I agree, no one here can prove they are not pros nor they are. Except you I guess. This has being your point all day.

Well said!

 

[arn]

I don't even understand this argument. It seems clear these people are real.

Did I actually read an argument that she didn't use an iPhone in 2005 as a major argument that it wasn't a true story?

There was a post by Kristin on that blog about her flying out to do the commercial and meeting up with the other two people who ended up shown in the commercial. looks like the post has since been removed though.

more

Kristin Sloan is actually a dancer for the New York City Ballet and the founder, editor of the dance collaborative blog "The Winger" as she states in the iPhone ad (her profile here). Ken Davenport is a true life Off-Broadway producer who hosts several online sites (here) including The Producer's Perspective (here) where he has the Apple ad featured. Ken's new play "My First Time" appears to be getting positive reviews (website here). Let's see if his iPhone ad does as well. I don't know if these people actually emailed Apple their iPhone stories or not. Maybe they paid Apple to plug their projects. The agency knows for sure. Also, I heard no airline plug from Bryce.

If they were actors depicting fanciful people, they wouldn't have used their real names and real professions.

arn

 

[yoyon8]

I don't even understand this argument. It seems clear these people are real.

Did I actually read an argument that she didn't use an iPhone in 2005 as a major argument that it wasn't a true story?

There was a post by Kristin on that blog about her flying out to do the commercial and meeting up with the other two people who ended up shown in the commercial. looks like the post has since been removed though.

arn

We know they are real people. Some are arguing if they get paid or not. Kristin is a pro model. Why wont she get paid? This type of advertising is called "Testimonials".