New Apple iPhone Ads: Bryce, Kristin, Ken

[nickbates]

I don't even understand this argument. It seems clear these people are real.

Did I actually read an argument that she didn't use an iPhone in 2005 as a major argument that it wasn't a true story?

Yep, yoyon8 claimed because Kristen is also a model and that she found a picture of Kristen taking a picture of herself for her blog using a Sony camera phone (and that blog entry was dated from 2005) then she must be an actor and not a "real person"

We know they are real people. Some are arguing if they get paid or not. Kristin is a pro model. Why wont she get paid? This type of advertising is called "Testimonials".

Nope, sorry, no one was arguing whether they got paid or not. I even said they most likely did get paid for their time and expenses, but the arguing was over if they were actors or not and you butted in saying that I am a picking on the ones that claim for sure that these are actors.

So hopefully now we can put this all to rest. I apologize for my part in trying to dispel all the FUD, I obviously ruffled some feathers and that was not my intention.

 

[megfilmworks]

I love Kristen. If she has a Sony phone then I'm chucking my iPhone!
And give Nick a break. Anyone who works in production has enough stress in their life!

 

[genshi]

I love Kristen. If she has a Sony phone then I'm chucking my iPhone!
And give Nick a break. Anyone who works in production has enough stress in their life!

Ain't that the truth! I've worked a little in production and a lot more in post (I too am a composer and sound designer, though currently out of work.) and production can be pretty stressful. I used to work the good ol' Nagra, but 16 to 20 hour days lugging that thing around was definitely no fun!

 

[megfilmworks]

Very interesting music Genshi, I'm sure you will find a lot of work in the future.
Hopefully not hauling around an old Nagra.

 

[Eduardo1971]

... I like how Macrumors uses the picture of the attractive woman in the story . . . .

Actually that's what caught MY attention.

 

[BWhaler]

Four comments:

1. I think these advertisements are brilliant.

-- The competitors and the media try to position the iPhone has an uber high end and expensive device. These are everyday people sharing their stories on the street.
-- To that point, the competitors and the media try to position Apple as a uber high end maker of gadgets for a cult. Again, showing everyday people using their products is brilliant.
-- They show how people can do more with their phones. For the average consumer who doesn't hang out at Macrumors.com, this will be magical.

2. The whole spokesperson/bashing Apple posts here are either paid shills, kids, or fools. I'm not sure which it is, probably all, but of course Apple finds these people, auditions them, does many takes and edits the film, and pays the people doing the testimonials. As Arn pointed out, this debate was moronic--as were some of the comments.

3. I was totally joking in my original post. It was late, and I was just trying to be funny.

4. I like the dance blog and got to learn about a community I know nothing about. (Dance is not my thing.) So thanks to the advertisement and the blog, I learned some new stuff. Pretty cool.

 

[dontmatter]

Fine. I'll be _that_ guy, and just say it:

Kristin, the Winger, is hot.


And you know what they say about ballet dancers?

You don't?

Me neither.

But I've gotta believe it's all good.

What stood out to me was that she was the first woman in the iphone ads.

Not sure how to interpret that -- I think there's more to it than men being the target audience. If I were feeling like a sociologist, I'd say that they're trying to market the iphone as a practical tool in life that we don't yet know we need, like once upon a time all cell phones were, and internet tools like google maps, wikipedia, etc. (Notice, advertizing NOT about it being a fashion statement, I think because they want to fight people seeing it as a self-indulgent status symbol purchase). Anyway, societal expectations say that buisness people, practical people are men, whereas women are more emotional, so they use men.

More on the gender stuff -- interesting she isn't using it for a gendered purpose, but that said, is defined by her job, which is an immensely gendered one.

Oh, and now to the part more in line with what you were saying:

I don't know what they say about ballet dancers either, though I should, because I dated one. I, um, can say what they should say -- they're FLEXIBLE. Not necessarily worth it for the likely emotional baggage of eating disorders, but I'm not going to lie, it's a plus.

Oh, and speaking of, it looks like they chose a dancer who actually looks relatively healthy. Way to go, apple.

 

[arn]

I'm not sure which it is, probably all, but of course Apple finds these people, auditions them, does many takes and edits the film, and pays the people doing the testimonials.

Right, it's no coincidence that the people in the national tv-ads are well spoken. The ones that weren't well spoken obviously didn't make the cut.

arn

 

[megfilmworks]

More on the gender stuff -- interesting she isn't using it for a gendered purpose, but that said, is defined by her job, which is an immensely gendered one.

What, no more male dancers in the ballet companies?

 

[boss1]

....but glad the commercial made you laugh for five minutes straight... now if your're interested in a little reading material that pilots have to read, learn, study and be tested on.....

I respect your post, you seem to sincerely care about and seem to be knowledgeable about the material you reference. I wish some of the people I've worked around in the past took as much ownership of the material that pertain to them in the workplace as you do.

Thank you for sharing the details regarding who's actual responsibilities fall to whom. By chance, you wouldn't happen to be the person in the commercial would you? It seems that some persons who have worked around these commercials happen to roam around these forums and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if you said you were him.

My post was casual, and not really meant to accurately state who's fault was who's. So if it was the dispatcher, which I could have easily picked up on just by listening to the commercial, or if it's ultimately the pilots responsibility well thats fine. HE threw somebody under the bus on television and think its hilarious ( I apologize for the cynical sense of humor )

Thank you for some real information and facts in response to the numbskulls who think they know everything!

Your post I respect a lot less, but I'll take what you said as a simple mishap because I haven't seen your make horrible assumptions regarding others on the boards like this until now.

I'm not going to sit here and brag about what I do know, because I don't care for bragging. I will say that while I don't claim to know everything, I do claim to know a lot, and have had to read through more government material in my lifetime then you can throw a stick at; to include having to revise some of these manuals myself.


As I said:
• my post was casual.
• I think the commercial is funny
• I don't really care for the detailed accuracies in what I wrote because I'm not trying to win the knowledge bowl

Feel free to nit pick the context of my writing or my spelling as much as you want if that's what makes you feel good. I post on these boards in a casual manner, but don't make the assumption that it correlates to my level of intellect or experience.

 

[megfilmworks]

Your post I respect a lot less, but I'll take what you said as a simple mishap because I haven't seen your make horrible assumptions regarding others on the boards like this until now.

Calling someone who gets his facts wrong and impunes an airline's 1st officer a numbskull is hardly a horrible assumption. Sounds like fact to me. It was not aimed directly at you anyway, but to all the posters who called the ad phoney because of their lack of knowledge. If you like to post in a casual way make sure you don't use your lack of knowledge to impune a professional pilot! After all you don't want to be kicked off the next flight you take when you find him in the driver's seat!!

 

[Macinmyblood]

I can vouch for the fact that none of these people are actors. In fact, they didn't even have a script. I know that at least SOME of them (Everyone I've come into contact with) were literally picked off the street. I was one of those people. Someone stopped me on the street and said they were looking for people with iPhones and offered me $5.00 for a couple moments of my time. They video taped me and asked me questions about my phone. I thought it was strange, but I went with it because I had 20 minutes until I was due for dinner with my girlfriend and 5.00 is 5.00. 2 weeks later they called me and asked me to fly to NY for 4 days to film a commercial. I filmed with many other people, all people that were picked off the street like me. They were from all over the US.

They put us in front of the camera and the director just talked to us. They didn't script anything and they wouldn't even let us watch others film because they didn't want us to get ideas from them. We just talked for 40 minutes in front of the camera. They filmed a LOT of people (as they were filming for atleast one more weekend in NY after mine then there was talk of filming in LA) probably knowing that they would only get something usable from a small percentage of them. They obviously didn't get gold from me as I've not seen my mug on TV thusfar.

With all the hard cuts in the commercials, they don't need actors. They can edit all kinds of stuff together if they don't need to make it look natural.

 

[nickbates]

I can vouch for the fact that none of these people are actors. In fact, they didn't even have a script. I know that at least SOME of them (Everyone I've come into contact with) were literally picked off the street. I was one of those people. Someone stopped me on the street and said they were looking for people with iPhones and offered me $5.00 for a couple moments of my time. They video taped me and asked me questions about my phone. I thought it was strange, but I went with it because I had 20 minutes until I was due for dinner with my girlfriend and 5.00 is 5.00. 2 weeks later they called me and asked me to fly to NY for 4 days to film a commercial. I filmed with many other people, all people that were picked off the street like me. They were from all over the US.

They put us in front of the camera and the director just talked to us. They didn't script anything and they wouldn't even let us watch others film because they didn't want us to get ideas from them. We just talked for 40 minutes in front of the camera. They filmed a LOT of people (as they were filming for atleast one more weekend in NY after mine then there was talk of filming in LA) probably knowing that they would only get something usable from a small percentage of them. They obviously didn't get gold from me as I've not seen my mug on TV thusfar.

With all the hard cuts in the commercials, they don't need actors. They can edit all kinds of stuff together if they don't need to make it look natural.

edited: nevermind

 

[gkarris]

The tower controller's competence has nothing to do with weather. The tower controller's sphere is clearing planes for take-off and landing. There is also a clearance controller, a ground controller for taxiing, and an approach or departure controller when in the air near the airport environment, local controllers, not to mention TRACON (Terminal Radar Aprroach Control) controllers, ARTCC (Air Route Control Center) Controllers or "Centers", and finally ATCSCC Controllers (Air Traffic Control System Command Center)... lotta people to make it work... but as the pilot in the commercial said, he called dispatch, which all the airlines have and they look at the weather and best route, etc. to keep operations going, noticed I didn't say smoothly and on time, but to coordinate and get the flight up in the air sooner AFTER the weather passed, but glad the commercial made you laugh for five minutes straight... now if your're interested in a little reading material that pilots have to read, learn, study and be tested on... http://www.risingup.com/fars/

Being a pilot myself, "competence of tower controller" has nothing to do with it. The most basic of basic of Federal Aviation Regulations known as FAR's, which believe me has a lot of rules and governement speak, is this...

Sec. 91.3 - Responsibility and authority of the pilot in command.

(a) The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft.

(b) In an in-flight emergency requiring immediate action, the pilot in command may deviate from any rule of this part to the extent required to meet that emergency.

(c) Each pilot in command who deviates from a rule under paragraph (b) of this section shall, upon the request of the Administrator, send a written report of that deviation to the Administrator.

See what I mean about government speak... that's just Part 91 concerning General Operating and Flight Rules, Part 61 contains the info for Certifcation of Pilots, Part 135 for Charter Ops and Part 121 Certification and Operations that the big boys use (airlines)

But to get back to the premise of my comment, as stated by the very basic of flight rules, it is the pilot in command, not the competency of tower controller, that makes the decisions to ensure the safety of the flight and when to go or not go.

Just thought you ought ot know.

Thank you for some real information and facts in response to the numbskulls who think they know everything!

I would think he'd use his MFD to get the radar info rather than his iPhone. He did mention that the engines were shut-off but I would assume that they'd have the APU running...

(just thought I'd keep the "flyboy" spirit of this thread running...)

 

[barkhoop]

What's with the music on these ads? ..kind of sounds like guitar but not.