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Well at least we have something to look forward to while all your ilk have is exploding phones and washing machines that self-destruct in 30 seconds.
My iPhone hasn't exploded and I didn't know apple made washing machines.
 
I wonder if they will allow the contractors to work there, or will they keep them segregated from actual employees up in the dozens of Sunnyvale buildings Apple leases, like they do now?
 
No duh! But who gave them that money?

I don't know about you, but I have never given Apple any money. I have paid for products that I deemed to be worth my money, and for the most part I have found that to be the case. They appear to invest in infrastructure that benefits their bottom line and product quality.
 
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I wonder if they will allow the contractors to work there, or will they keep them segregated from actual employees up in the dozens of Sunnyvale buildings Apple leases, like they do now?
My guess is that the parts of the property that can be occupied by actual Apple employees will be when construction is finished. That means that the construction contractors don't have any need to be in that part of the property.

I forget if Santa Clara County issues certificates of occupancy, but likely there is something similar.
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I don't know about you, but I have never given Apple any money. I have paid for products that I deemed to be worth my money, and for the most part I have found that to be the case. They appear to invest in infrastructure that benefits their bottom line and product quality.
Based on your signature, unless you purchased all items used, you have given money to Apple. That's what a sale is. One party gives something (typically money) to another party for something (products or services). You gave them something, they gave you something. And what you gave to them was money, not bushels of fruit or barrels of oil.

And they reported your contributions in their quarterly financial earnings documents and SEC filings. Most likely, they also collected sales tax on behalf of the local government regarding the sale of said products. And if you think your products are under a manufacturer's warranty, for sure you have to show some sort of sales documentation should you need to exercise your warranty.
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My iPhone hasn't exploded and I didn't know apple made washing machines.
I think he is referring to Samsung, not Apple.
 
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Based on your signature, unless you purchased all items used, you have given money to Apple. That's what a sale is. One party gives something (typically money) to another party for something (products or services). You gave them something, they gave you something. And what you gave to them was money, not bushels of fruit or barrels of oil.

And they reported your contributions in their quarterly financial earnings documents and SEC filings. Most likely, they also collected sales tax on behalf of the local government regarding the sale of said products. And if you think your products are under a manufacturer's warranty, for sure you have to show some sort of sales documentation should you need to exercise your warranty.
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Look up "give": to freely transfer the possession of something to someone. Buying a good or a service is a trade, where something of value is provided (conveyed, delivered, paid) to someone in return for something else of value. Like I said, I have never given money to Apple. English major here -- one of my few skills:)
 
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Now you know why the iPhone 8 will be so expensive. Someone has to pay for the spaceship.

The cost of the iPhone 8 is not related to construction costs for Apple Park (estimated at $5B).

The cost of the iPhone is primarily driven by cost of goods sold and GPM targets expected by Wall Street.
 
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No duh! But who gave them that money?

Interesting way to look at it...but is it really your money? Who gave it to you? And who gave it to them? Presumably it all started at the US Mint, so really Apple Park was built using THEIR money. But it's printed on paper so its actually the trees' money. They grow using sunlight, which is generated via nuclear fusion using elements created at the Big Bang...all of which is to say the original comment is nonsense. It's Apple's money and they'll do what they want with it
 
New, cheaper, better iPhones, Macs and iPads please. The building is nice, but it is not your mission Apple.
Actually it really is their mission. It's the place where all those things and people will help determine the future. It's easy to get caught up in specs and sleek new phones but that stuff only drives profit. I hope Apple never considers devices that are obsolete the day they are released to be their driving force.
 
Apple was created by Steve jobs, built by his vision, saved by Steve after they lost their way, the new campus was imagined by him, and was granted to Apple by Cupertino because of him.
So... that big amazing structure is not going to be called the Steve Jobs Building?? He only gets the auditorium?? Auditoriums are named after corporate donors, for God's sake! Apple = Steve and he just gets the theater. Just doesn't seem right.
I see your point. But it is far worse than you describe.
The current Apple has actively departed from Steve's idea's, product focus, innovation rate, customer experience orientation. It has severly ignored legendary products and killed off most of Steve's legacy. Despite all SJ appreciation, that remained merely vocal, it has become a money machine that is more profoundly interested in customer's wallets than experiences and loyalty.
The current Board has betrayed SJ. All its SJ glorification is false pretention - which I cannot stand any longer.
Considering its current profile and recent accomplishments, I guess the building would better be named the Steve Ballmer Arena
(e.g. Product Development should be named after SJ, but not before they start to perform again)
 
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No duh! But who gave them that money?

Nobody. They earned it with their own blood and sweat and tears. Just like I did mine.

People around here have the uncanny ability state the obvious and can't look beyond their own nose. Of course it's not OUR money right now but it was and without it, Apple could not have built this idiotic glutton of extravagant nonsense. It's a waste and could have been used in much more productive ways.... and yes, Apple will be getting less of my money in the coming years.
You can also do us a favour and spare us the self righteous indignation.

Your own money also belonged to someone else prior to entering your pocket. Should I have a beef with how you choose to spend yours?

What is with all the hypocrites crawling out of the woodwork of late?
 
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You think there will be many non Apple computers running this building?
 
I see your point. But it is far worse than you describe.
The current Apple has actively departed from Steve's idea's, product focus, innovation rate, customer experience orientation. It has severly ignored legendary products and killed off most of Steve's legacy. Despite all SJ appreciation, that remained merely vocal, it has become a money machine that is more profoundly interested in customer's wallets than experiences and loyalty.
The current Board has betrayed SJ. All its SJ glorification is false pretention - which I cannot stand any longer.
Considering its current profile and recent accomplishments, I guess the building would better be named the Steve Ballmer Arena
(e.g. Product Development should be named after SJ, but not before they start to perform again)
I disagree with you. Strongly. Under Cook Apple has done well financially, but you didn't have a problem with Jobs overseeing a swing to massive profitability. So what's the issue? Cook has also seen Apple clean up its act when it comes to foreign labor conditions, and under his leadership Apple's gone from Greenpeace's hit list to the greenest major tech company on the planet. They're bulldogs about your privacy more than anyone else, and have programs for the diseased and disadvantaged. You say they've departed from customer experience? That's provably false. Google it and tell us what you find over the last 5 years or so. You must be into these "alternative facts" I've been hearing so much about. And if you want trend, they've come a long way from 2011/2012, right after Jobs died.

And specifically what "legendary products" are they ignoring? The only "legendary" products they've ever made are the Apple II, the Mac/iMac, the iPod, and the iPhone. Other than the Apple II, which was discontinued 24 years ago (before Jobs had cancer) these are all updated. They even still sell iPods. Are you calling the Mini and the Mac Pro "legendary"? Lmao! And the trash can Pro was a fail and deserves to be replaced. Yes, they should've addressed it sooner, and yes that was to the detriment of some creative professionals, but they're on it. Apple's also developing the enterprise space better than Jobs did, and playing around with home automation and maybe even self driving cars.

And Apple never made missteps under Jobs? You're forgetting, for instance, that he had to apologize for perceived price gouging early iPhone adopters. Were you ranting about profiteering back then?

So what is it? You don't like that other companies have caught up a bit? You want a triangular iPhone with five SD card slots and an OLED screen? Want even better build quality than the industry's finest? Really miss blue jeans and a black mock turtle? I miss him too, but the truth is there's no one like Steve Jobs, and his shoes are impossible to fill. His charisma and soothsaying were what was legendary. Apple's explosive growth period had ended, and would have ended regardless of who's in charge. But Cook knew him and values him better than you. You're living in the whiny MR bubble and repeating exactly what I'd expect. If you truly can't stand it any longer, as you say, then why are you here? Zip it already, throw away all your Apple crap, and move on.
 
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Everyone knows that a great working environment is crucial to the success of a company.

Evidence for this (other than the obvious that lighting, climate control, and sound attenuation are important)? In any case, it's not that I oppose the new building, but that I hope Apple focuses on new products rather than getting distracted by it.
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Actually it really is their mission. It's the place where all those things and people will help determine the future. It's easy to get caught up in specs and sleek new phones but that stuff only drives profit. I hope Apple never considers devices that are obsolete the day they are released to be their driving force.

I still use a 4S, and will be replacing the battery soon. However, I would like a more capable phone with better battery life, so I am awaiting the release of the new iPhones to see what's available, and I am still waiting for an affordable Mac desktop that's on a par with the offerings of other companies. The Mac Mini hasn't been refreshed since 2014. Also, Apple has had a long tradition of making their older products obsolete by adopting new standards (which are admittedly marginally better than the old standards). Honestly it's a good ploy, for who wants to buy hardware that can't take full advantage of Apple's latest OS?
 
Posts like this are a tad shortsighted. Every part of a business has a knock on effect on the others. Ok, yes of course these construction workers don't design or build macs but investment/progress in one part of a business has a definite effect on decisions that prevent, (or encourage), investment or movement in another.

Other businesses would pay out huge executive-bonuses for the kind of performance that Apple has.

While Apple's execs are paid well, they aren't paid astronomically.

That building also helps to terminate various (dozens according to some reports) leases around the bay-area that Apple maintains. As such, it's an investment that helps bring down overall running-costs of the company.


The only issue I have with it is when "The Big One" is going to strike, I just hope that 12k of Apple's finest aren't trapped inside and killed within five minutes. It's a one hell of a glass-palace. Imagine the shards when one of those glass-panels dislodges.
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Evidence for this (other than the obvious that lighting, climate control, and sound attenuation are important)? In any case, it's not that I oppose the new building, but that I hope Apple focuses on new products rather than getting distracted by it.
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Short-term, it doesn't matter.
Long-term, the health-effects are going to show and overall performance is going to suffer.
All things equal, a company with better working-conditions will deliver better results, because its people will deliver better results (shorter time, less errors, etc.pp.).

I still use a 4S, and will be replacing the battery soon. However, I would like a more capable phone with better battery life, so I am awaiting the release of the new iPhones to see what's available, and I am still waiting for an affordable Mac desktop that's on a par with the offerings of other companies. The Mac Mini hasn't been refreshed since 2014. Also, Apple has had a long tradition of making their older products obsolete by adopting new standards (which are admittedly marginally better than the old standards). Honestly it's a good ploy, for who wants to buy hardware that can't take full advantage of Apple's latest OS?

You can get an SE.
It's a a worthy replacement for the 4S.

I'm holding out for the 8, though.
 
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Nobody. They earned it with their own blood and sweat and tears. Just like I did mine.


You can also do us a favour and spare us the self righteous indignation.

Your own money also belonged to someone else prior to entering your pocket. Should I have a beef with how you choose to spend yours?

What is with all the hypocrites crawling out of the woodwork of late?
Oh gee, that was a informative post. Feel better now? I always find it amusing how condescending names seem to always enter the conversation at some point. Have a good day.
 
That building also helps to terminate various (dozens according to some reports) leases around the bay-area that Apple maintains. As such, it's an investment that helps bring down overall running-costs of the company.

Does California have property taxes? If so, I wonder how that compares to leases.


Long-term, the health-effects are going to show and overall performance is going to suffer.
All things equal, a company with better working-conditions will deliver better results, because its people will deliver better results (shorter time, less errors, etc.pp.).

Totally agree. A school I worked at had a mold & other environment problems (bad enough to have closed down the school for 2 weeks) along with being overcrowded and has a poor layout. Fortunately, the district passed a referendum to sell bonds in order to build a new school to replace. So I know exactly what you mean.
 
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