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New Apple Stores?

Rome store in 2006

ifoAppleStore has a story saying there will be a new Apple store in Rome next year.

11-20-2005
Apple will open an official retail store in Rome (Italy), its first entré into Continental Europe, fulfilling a promise that Steve Jobs made during the Regent Street (London) grand opening press event in 2004. The store will open during 2006, possibly along Via Condotti or Via del Corso.
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oh my gawd. apple sent me an email about two new stores opening in the LA area...THE DAY AFTER THE OPENING

Okay nevermind, it took me 3 days to get that email (?!?!?)
No, nevermind again, it took 3 days for it to go from apple's outgoing mail servers to their .mac, and then a matter of seconds for it to get forwarded to my gmail... :mad:

apple never posted an opening date (well, i never noticed one), and i'm kicking myself right now for not going to the openings.

Damn Apple. :p :D :D :D :p
 
Rome store confirmed in 2006

Apple is now recruiting for its first continental and first Italian store. The Rome store had been reported as a rumor by ifoAppleStore just a few days ago, but is now confirmed by Apple's own site. This ends speculation over what continental European city would be the site of Apple's first venture, with most observers having thought Paris would lead the way.
 
Let me add to the list as well. There's a new Apple store in the Trafford Centre (UK) that has just opened
 
maestro55 said:
6 Apple stores in Texas, and they are all atleast a 2 hour drive from here, if not 4 or 5 hours. We need one in Waco, TX :)
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Well, Texas is just to friggin' big! ;)

You do have two more stores scheduled for the Dallas-Ft.Worth area, but after that I'd have to bet on many other Texas locations before Waco. My guess for new locations would be second and third stores in San Antonio, Austin, and Houston, with a possible new store in El Paso before Waco even enters the list of possibilities. Even then it probably is way down the list. Sorry, but moving might be a better strategy. :eek:
 
Sayhey said:
Well, Texas is just to friggin' big! ;)

You do have two more stores scheduled for the Dallas-Ft.Worth area, but after that I'd have to bet on many other Texas locations before Waco. My guess for new locations would be second and third stores in San Antonio, Austin, and Houston, with a possible new store in El Paso before Waco even enters the list of possibilities. Even then it probably is way down the list. Sorry, but moving might be a better strategy. :eek:
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Yes, sadly Waco just isn't that big. Well I don't know where I will end up after college. Perhaps Austin, but maybe even after state. Anyhow, I would really enjoy getting to go to one of the Apple stores and looking around and getting my hands on the macs!
 
3 new store locations

Apple's "Search Jobs" web page has three new locations listed. They are Perimeter Mall in Atlanta, GA; Flatiron Crossing in Broomfield, Colorado; and Simi Valley Town Center in Simi Valley, CA. These will be the third stores in both the Denver and Atlanta metro areas. The Simi Valley store will be the 17th store in the LA metro area.

Edit: That's Broomfield not Bloomfield! as in Colorado, not New Jersey. Sorry, folks.
 
Im wondering the Apple potential retail site team has the Saturation point in the states (like california) before the retail store sales starts to level off..

because sometime it will happen.. :eek:


the "pc" store that was there own store (gateway) :eek: :eek:

that store came out too quickly and hit saturation right away ..

I know some other states that need an apple store like Idaho ;) ..

to get rid of title: "the Most isolated place from an apple store"
 
Apple has a long way to go before they reach saturation in any US market, much less any international market. Even in LA, the market with the most stores currently, Apple has a lot of places it can go with placement of new stores. I wouldn't confuse saturation with Gateway's problem. Their problem wasn't that they had too many stores in a given market, but rather because they had too many stores that were not justified by their sales. Gateway took on too much in capital commitments without the sales to back them up. That's not yet Apple's problem. Far from it. The current Apple 10-K form shows profits from the stores at $151 million, up from $39 million last fiscal year.
 
Sayhey said:
Apple has a long way to go before they reach saturation in any US market, much less any international market. Even in LA, the market with the most stores currently, Apple has a lot of places it can go with placement of new stores. I wouldn't confuse saturation with Gateway's problem. Their problem wasn't that they had too many stores in a given market, but rather because they had too many stores that were not justified by their sales. Gateway took on too much in capital commitments without the sales to back them up. That's not yet Apple's problem. Far from it. The current Apple 10-K form shows profits from the stores at $151 million, up from $39 million last fiscal year.
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Is there any way to figure out the saturation point is in certain areas? :confused: :confused:

Im just wondering because some people on here have travel a long time to get to an apple store..

I figured out about the intl. store problem (apple just begun opening stores)
 
iphil said:
Is there any way to figure out the saturation point is in certain areas? :confused: :confused:

Im just wondering because some people on here have travel a long time to get to an apple store..

I figured out about the intl. store problem (apple just begun opening stores)
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Only Apple knows, but the markets they are trying to sell in are huge. The problem of smaller markets getting stores is interesting. The smallest market that Apple currently has a store in is the Des Moines metro area, with the upcoming Reno store set to open in 2006 the Nevada store will beat it for that distinction. With about 340,000 people in the Reno metro area, Apple has set a mark that shows it is willing to invest in smaller markets in order to sell its products. That bodes well for places like Boise with a metro area population of approximately 435,000. Of course, there are probably more tourists in Reno than Boise.
 
Here's the updated list of this year's stores and new locations. If, as is rumored, the two UK stores open next weekend or soon there after, we will have 136 stores worldwide (or 35 opened in 2005 - a new record.) We will have to wait to see if Apple has any other US openings planned this year for a final figure.

2005 stores.
  1. Nagoya Sakae, Japan - opened 1/22
  2. St. John's Town Center - Jacksonville, Florida - opened 3/18
  3. The Gardens at Palm Beach - Palm Beach Gardens, Florida - opened 4/23
  4. Bullring - Birmingham, England - opened 4/29
  5. Yorkdale - Toronto, Canada - to open 5/21
  6. Century City - Los Angeles, California - opened 6/04
  7. Green Hills - Nashville, Tennessee - opened 6/04
  8. Bridgeport Village - Tualatin, Oregon - opened 6/04
  9. Woodland - Grand Rapids, Michigan - opened 6/25
  10. Bluewater - Kent, England - opened 7/09
  11. Northbrook Court - Northbrook, Illinois - opened 7/16
  12. Pioneer Place - Portland, Oregon - opened 7/16
  13. Eastview Mall - Victor, New York - opened 7/23
  14. The Woodlands - Houston, Texas - opened 7/30
  15. Manhattan Village - Manhattan Beach, California - opened 7/30
  16. South Shore Plaza - Braintree, Massachusetts - opened 8/06
  17. Pentagon City - Arlington, Virginia - opened 8/06
  18. Shibuya - Tokyo, Japan - opened 8/06
  19. Annapolis Mall - Annapolis, Maryland - opened 8/27
  20. La Cantera - San Antonio, Texas - opened 9/16
  21. Penn Square - Oklahoma City, Oklahoma - opened 9/24
  22. Florida Mall - Orlando, Florida - opened 9/24
  23. South Hills Village - Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania - opened 9/24
  24. Staten Island Mall - Staten Island, New York - opened 10/15
  25. The Oaks - Thousand Oaks, California - opened 10/29
  26. Burlington Mall - Burlington, Massachusetts - opened 11/05
  27. Brea Mall - Brea, California - opened 11/12
  28. Gateway Mall - Salt Lake City, Utah - opened 11/19
  29. Beverly Center - Los Angeles, California - opened 11/19
  30. Fashion Square - Sherman Oaks, California - opened 11/19
  31. Trafford Centre - Manchester, England - opened 11/19
  32. Fukuoka Tenjin - Fukuoka, Japan - opened 12/03
  33. Sendai Ichibancho - Sendai, Japan - opened 12/10
  34. Meadowhall Centre - Sheffield, England - opened 12/10
  35. Brent Cross - London, England (rumored opening 1/28)
  36. Lincoln Road - Miami Beach, Florida
  37. Crabtree Valley - Raleigh, North Carolina
  38. Garden State Plaza - Paramus, New Jersey
  39. Derby Street - Hingham, Massachusetts
  40. Midtown - New York City, New York
  41. Northpark Center - Dallas, Texas
  42. Irvine Spectrum Center - Irvine, California
  43. Flatiron - New York City, New York - opening in doubt due to design disputes. Rumor is this site has been canceled, but it is still listed as a location on Apple's "Search Jobs" web page as of 12/03/05.
Some, if not all of the above, from "Brent Cross" through "Irvine Spectrum Center," will undoubtedly be pushed over into 2006, but the following are assuredly openings for next year due to the late announcement of the locations.

2006 store openings
  1. Southlake Center - Southlake, Texas
  2. Suburban Square - Ardmore, Pennsylvania
  3. Summit Sierra - Reno, Nevada (grand opening of mall on March 15, 2006)
  4. Freehold Raceway - Freehold, New Jersey
  5. The Pier - Atlantic City, New Jersey
  6. Eaton Centre - Toronto, Canada
  7. Rome, Italy
  8. Perimeter Mall - Atlanta, Georgia
  9. Flatiron Crossing - Broomfield, Colorado
  10. Simi Valley Town Center - Simi Valley, California
  11. Ridgedale Mall - Minneapolis, Minnesota
  12. The Mall in Columbia - Columbia, Maryland

Note: Apple's CFO Peter Oppenheimer said last October that the Company had plans to open "35 to 40 stores in fiscal 2006;" ten of those stores are now open. Of course, he also said we would have 25 new stores by the end of this year and we are looking at 10 stores over that figure as the likely real number. It has become clear that Oppenheimer likes to play with calendar year and fiscal year in the release of projections; changing which time frame he uses from speech to speech to further confuse the forecast. More of Apple's "playing it close to the vest" strategy.

edited: to update and reflect post # 1043
 
Two new stores in Minneapolis and Baltimore

Apple has two new locations on its "Search Jobs" web page. They are at the Ridgedale Mall in Minneapolis, Minnesota and The Mall in Columbia in the Baltimore, Maryland suburb of Columbia. These will be the Minneapolis/St. Paul metro area's fourth store and the Washington/Baltimore metro area's eighth.
 
Metro Areas with multiple Apple stores

I thought I'd post this list for discussion. It is of metropolitan areas, US and international, that have multiple stores or stores planned. It gives a better view of Apple's plans for certain markets. It should be noted I'm using 2000 statistics and metro area designations. The most important impact of the use of these figures is that Miami and West Palm Beach were then viewed as separate metro areas; they are no longer. If both areas are combined it gives a better view of Apple's obvious interest in Southeast Florida, with six stores located in the area. I've added the 2000 population ranking (not counting Puerto Rico) of each area at the end of it's listing. The international cities are obviously the largest metro areas in their respective nations.

US metro areas with multiple Apple stores

New York City (17) - SoHo, Staten Island, Roosevelt Field, Walt Whitman, Palisades, The Westchester, Bridgewater, Menlo Park, Rockaway, Short Hills, Tice’s Corner, Danbury Fair Mall, Garden State Plaza, Freehold Raceway (planned,) Midtown (planned,) Smith Haven Mall (planned,) Stamford Town Center (planned.) Population rank: 1

Los Angeles (17) - The Grove, Century City, Beverly Center, Brea Mall, South Coast Plaza, Glendale Galleria, Manhattan Village, Mission Viejo, Fashion Island, Northridge, Pasadena, Rancho Cucamonga, Santa Monica, Sherman Oaks, Thousand Oaks, Irvine Spectrum Center, Simi Valley Town Center (planned.) Population rank: 2

San Francisco (12) - San Francisco, Stonestown, Burlingame, Corte Madera, Bay Street, Palo Alto, Stanford Shopping Center, Stoneridge Mall, Oakridge, Valley Fair, Santa Rosa Plaza, Walnut Creek. Population rank: 5

Washington DC/Baltimore (9) - Annapolis, Bethesda Row, Montgomery Mall, Towson Town Center, Clarendon, Pentagon City, Tysons Corner, The Mall at Columbia, (planned,) Fair Oaks Mall (planned.) Population rank: 4

Boston (7) - South Shore, Burlington, CambridgeSide, Chestnut Hill, Northshore, Rockingham Park, Derby Street (planned.) Population rank: 7

Chicago (5) - North Michigan Avenue, Northbrook, Oakbrook, Woodfield, Old Orchard. Population rank: 3

Philadelphia (5) - King of Prussia, Christiana Mall, Sagemore, Suburban Square (planned,) The Pier (planned.) Population rank: 6

Dallas (4) - Knox Street, Willow Bend, Northpark Center (planned,) Southlake Center (planned.) Population rank: 9

Seattle (4) - University Village, Bellevue Square, Alderwood Mall, Southcenter. Population rank: 13

Minneapolis/St.Paul (4) - Mall of America, Southdale, Rosedale Center, Ridgedale Mall (planned.) Population rank:15

Houston (3) - Houston Galleria, The Woodlands, Memorial City (planned.) Population rank: 10

Atlanta (3) - Lenox Square, North Point, Perimeter Mall (planned.) Population rank: 11

Miami (3) - The Falls, Aventura, Lincoln Road (planned.) Population rank: 12

Denver (3) - Cherry Creek, Aspen Grove, Flatiron Crossing (planned.) Population rank: 19

Portland (3) - Pioneer Place, Bridgeport Village, Washington Square. Population rank: 22

West Palm Beach/Boca Raton (3) - Boca Raton, The Gardens Mall, Wellington Green. Population rank: 44

Detroit (2) - Twelve Oaks, Somerset. Population rank: 8

Phoenix (2) - Biltmore, Chandler Fashion Center. Population rank: 14

San Diego (2) - Fashion Valley, UTC. Population rank: 17

St. Louis (2) - Saint Louis Galleria, West County. Population rank: 18

Pittsburgh (2) - Shadyside, South Hills Village. Population rank: 21

Orlando (2) - Florida Mall, Millenia. Population rank: 27

Raleigh/Durham (2) - Southpoint, Crabtree Valley (planned.) Population rank: 40

International metro areas with multiple stores

Tokyo (2) - Ginza, Shibuya.

London (2) - Regent Street, Brent Cross.

Toronto (2) - Yorkdale, Eaton Centre (planned.)

edit: high-profile stores are listed in red. The upcoming Midtown and, possibly, the Lincoln Road stores will be high-profile stores, but I've waited for their openings to list them as such. The Shinsaibashi store in Osaka is also a high-profile store, although the only store in the area.

note: Raleigh/Durham is the smallest metro area with two stores (excepting the special case of the already mentioned West Palm Beach/Boca Raton; ) the areas with only one store (or one planned) that are larger are the following: Cleveland, Tampa/St. Petersburg, Cincinnati, Sacramento, Kansas City, Milwaukee, Indianapolis, San Antonio, Las Vegas, Columbus, Charlotte, Salt Lake City, Austin, Nashville, Norfolk/Virginia Beach, and Providence. The larger metro areas of New Orleans, and Greensboro have no stores or one officially planned.

note#2: the New York total does not include the new location reported in post #1045. Apple has not yet listed this as a location.

edit: as per post #1059, #1080, & #1084
 
Post reports new Manhattan store

The New York Post is reporting a new Manhattan location for a third store on the island.

Apple Finds New Digs
December 18, 2005 -- Apple Computers has found itself a third Manhattan pod with a new lease opposite the Empire State Building at 21 W. 34th St.
The computer giant net-leased the entire, 30,000-foot five-story building from Jeff Sutton of Wharton Realty and his partner, SL Green Realty Trust, sources said.

Karen Bellantoni and Robert K. Futterman of his eponymous company are representing Apple, which is already open in SoHo and has installed a glass entry cube at the GM Building where it will soon open its doors.

The company also runs a store in the Staten Island Mall.

Apple previously ditched a deal in the Flatiron District.
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Thanks for the report, Sayhey. I find it interesting that Chicago has relatively few stores compared to LA, New York, and SF. I also never realized how many stores Boston had. I wonder why Boston has 2 more stored than Chicago, which is quite larger?

p.s. Still no info on the Providence store. There are some empty spaces at the mall, but not signs up yet.
 
latergator116 said:
Thanks for the report, Sayhey. I find it interesting that Chicago has relatively few stores compared to LA, New York, and SF. I also never realized how many stores Boston had. I wonder why Boston has 2 more stored than Chicago, which is quite larger?

p.s. Still no info on the Providence store. There are some empty spaces at the mall, but not signs up yet.
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Sorry, 'gator, I've been away for a few days during the holidays and missed your post. Relative to Chicago, it's something I've wondered about as well. There are no stores to the south of the City or in the Indiana suburbs and, as someone with no real knowledge of the facts on the ground there, I can't understand why. I'm sure macrumors folks in the area could give us an idea of prospective areas that would be good for expansion. I have seen over at ifoAppleStore that there is a possibility of another downtown store (on States Street.)

In the very largest metro areas, the model seems to be fancy high-profile stores in the urban centers with many smaller stores clustered in the surrounding suburbs (e.g SF, NYC, LA, and Chicago.) I would think Boston, Washington, Philadelphia, and Dallas would follow this scheme soon, but cities like Detroit, which have similar populations, but major economic problems may not. The expansion has gone on in Boston, Washington, Philadelphia, and Dallas without a commitment yet to a high-profile urban store in these areas, but can they be far away? Chicago is just the reverse, with the North Michigan store built rather early on and fewer suburban store as of yet. With the rate of growth Apple is experiencing I think we will see all of these, and a Providence store, soon.
 
Sayhey said:
Sorry, 'gator, I've been away for a few days during the holidays and missed your post. Relative to Chicago, it's something I've wondered about as well. There are no stores to the south of the City or in the Indiana suburbs and, as someone with no real knowledge of the facts on the ground there, I can't understand why. I'm sure macrumors folks in the area could give us an idea of prospective areas that would be good for expansion. I have seen over at ifoAppleStore that there is a possibility of another downtown store (on States Street.)

In the very largest metro areas, the model seems to be fancy high-profile stores in the urban centers with many smaller stores clustered in the surrounding suburbs (e.g SF, NYC, LA, and Chicago.) I would think Boston, Washington, Philadelphia, and Dallas would follow this scheme soon, but cities like Detroit, which have similar populations, but major economic problems may not. The expansion has gone on in Boston, Washington, Philadelphia, and Dallas without a commitment yet to a high-profile urban store in these areas, but can they be far away? Chicago is just the reverse, with the North Michigan store built rather early on and fewer suburban store as of yet. With the rate of growth Apple is experiencing I think we will see all of these, and a Providence store, soon.
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No problem. From what little I know about Chicago, I think the southern suburbs are generally not as affluent as the northern and western ones. Thats might explain why there aren't any Apple stores in the south suburbs yet.

I could deffinately see a high profile store going up in Boston, Washington, or Philadelphia since none of these cities has a store in their city limits yet. And I agree with you about the Providence store. Any day now. ;)
 
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