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Does anyone know if the Netflix app uses the current Netflix UI used everywhere? My current Apple HD still uses the old old version on the app
 
I wanted spatial audio for Air Pods Max.
Yeah, I'm quite surprised that's still not there... 😢

Not sure why Apple was in such a hurry to release an update this boring.
I'm in the demo that would buy this in a second but the processor on my Apple TV 4k is not a problem for me.
I think there's a lot of pent-up demand for a "fresh" Apple TV, and a refresh was long overdue. It's an almost meaningless upgrade for anybody with a 2017 Apple TV 4K, but potential new customers definitely aren't going to be too keen on shelling out money for a four-year-old product.

Then there are folks like me who bought the original Apple TV HD in 2015, but skipped the 2017 model, since I had no need for it back then, and I figured there'd be another one much sooner than this — I expected something like this to show up back in 2019 when Apple unveiled Apple Arcade.
 
It should be cheaper first of all; it’s just a streaming box while most new TVs have built in Apple TV and Disney plus etc so what’s the real reason for it; they should make it more of a dongle type thing and way cheaper, I have the LG cx I never used Apple TV after that as it has it all built in
Your TV might have apps built-in, but the manufacturer will end support far sooner than Apple will for the ATV. The ATV HD for instance was released in 2015. Tell me how many manufacturers are still updating their TVs from that year. Built in apps also require the use of (e)ARC if you have a separate audio setup, which is undesirable to A/V enthusiasts. I'll take a separate device directly into the receiver every day of the week.

Apple also isn't going after the cheap end of the market with this device. The flagship ATV should be a device that's priced at the upper-end of streaming devices because that's exactly what it is, a high-end streamer. That being said, I will say they should've priced the ATV HD at $100 to compete in the mid-tier of the space. At only $30 cheaper than the 4K, $150 for the HD is big a rip off.
 
Can I do that if I want to enable Homekit features of my TV? I guess not
You can't disconnect it from your Wi-Fi entirely, but you can block it from getting out onto the internet by firewalling it at your router. HomeKit only requires local LAN access, as it works through an Apple Home Hub like the Apple TV or a HomePod (or even an iPad if you have one that stays at home).

Note that the Apple TV does offer some HomeKit features as well if your TV supports HDMI-CEC. It's mostly limited to pause, play, and power on and off (via Siri — not using automations).
 
Question for new ATV4K users - set-up: is it simply unplug the current ATV4K then plug and play the new one, or is there a first-boot option to import the current 'desktop' and apps most recently used by previous 4K ATV?
If you have Home Screen sync enabled in your Apple TV Settings, it should download it from iCloud when you first set it up. At least, that's the theory — I haven't tried it in a while.
 
Question as a non-Apple TV user: will using an Apple TV bypass "smart tv" privacy concerns? I.e. will Samsung or Sony still be able to monetize/track our family's viewing, etc? Or does it essentially allow the TV to be dumb?
Yes, but the key here is that you need to disconnect your smart TV from having access to the internet, i.e. switch the WiFi off.

This way, the TV cannot report on you to outside servers and the Apple TV functions as your gateway to all streaming services.
 
Can I do that if I want to enable Homekit features of my TV? I guess not

To me, this is why the TV manufacturers have gone for Homekit integration - it requires a connection to work. Once they have the connection, they can slurp away.

It's a trojan horse. I haven't found anything even closely compelling with HomeKit on any of the TVs to seriously consider buying one.
 
Same garbage reviewers..lol
Yep, about as useless as a closet full of J.D. Power awards, the best awards money can buy. :p Most Youtube reviews are by idiots who don't even use the products they review, and they are for people who are even more stupid than they are. Even the big name tech websites shank a lot of their reviews. Unless the reviewer is a dedicated user of a device and tests it out thoroughly over many days or weeks, they are wasting our time.
 
There's no doubt in my mind that the new Apple TV remote will be an improvement over the old one.

However, I am disappointed that we are still stuck in the same old clumsy and slow grid based UI.

I was hoping to see some genuine innovation from Apple on this front. (As an example, the LG smart remote is absolutely incredible in its ability to quickly switch between channels, streaming services, and settings.)
 
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All I really wanted in the new version was some type of “find me” alarm in the damned remote. It’s the only one we lose routinely - and they’re disproportionately expensive to replace!
How could you actually lose your remote? Temporarily misplace it, sure. It’s under a pillow or slid beside a couch cushion etc. But to lose it such that you have to replace it? Seriously??
 
Another point on Library performance - when using shared libraries, your serving Mac plays a key role as well.

If you're serving up a slew of items from an older Mac with a hard disk and old WiFi, you may have issues. Even with SSD on a new Mac mini entirely over Ethernet there can be problems with large library sizes - I believe there's a watchdog timer somewhere on the ATV side that thinks the overall process has died if it doesn't get a complete library back within some number of minutes.

As with a lot of things Apple does, they'll show the utility on a fairly small set of data. This gets people excited, and they (OK, me) go nuts and really push the limits, and it catches Apple out. The problem comes in when they either don't understand what the problem is, or don't have the bandwidth to fix it. Here, I think it's been a combination of both.
 
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It should be cheaper first of all; it’s just a streaming box while most new TVs have built in Apple TV and Disney plus etc so what’s the real reason for it; they should make it more of a dongle type thing and way cheaper, I have the LG cx I never used Apple TV after that as it has it all built in
See now you’re changing your tune.
First, you were upset that there wasn’t enough updates, and it was boring.
Now, you’re saying they should’ve dumbed it down and made it cheaper.
 
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Question for new ATV4K users - set-up: is it simply unplug the current ATV4K then plug and play the new one, or is there a first-boot option to import the current 'desktop' and apps most recently used by previous 4K ATV?
There’s a setting in your current Apple TV‘s settings app, that says something like “sink Home screens across Apple TV’s.”
If you turn this on, and then plug in your new Apple TV, it should be set up just like your current one. You’ll just have to re-login to all of your accounts, and everything will be back to normal
 
The only reason your TV would need to be hooked up to the internet would be for updates, or if you use it to directly stream TV shows. Thing is, you can pretty much expect streaming boxes of any make or model to track your viewing habits.
My TCL Roku tv is connected to allow HomeKit/Siri commands to turn on/off the set. Unless I’m gaming I never touch the TV remote, only need the Apple TV remote.
 
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I bet every YouTuber just rolls their eyes after posing for these humiliating thumbnail pics.
 

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Mine is massive — about 500 movies and over 100 TV shows (which works out to several thousand individual episodes), and it loads pretty quickly even on my 2015 Apple TV HD. It's definitely more about the network connection than the Apple TV hardware, and it's worth noting that the 2021 Apple TV 4K will support Wi-Fi 6 plus a Gigabit Ethernet port which should improve things on that end even more.

Unfortunately, I don't think the network connection has anything to do with it.

I have over 800 movies and a bunch of TV shows in mine and when I go to look at the Library I can see the thumbnails as blank items and it takes minutes for the artwork to load. This is on an Apple TV 4K that is hardwired to my router right next to it and my Internet speed is 500 Mbps (Speedtests confirm) and on an old Apple TV HD that is wireless in my bedroom that Speedtests around 200 Mbps wireless. This has been happening since one of the major tvOS updates (can't remember which), but my Chromecast with Google TV in another room that is only wireless has no issues loading the thumbnail images for the items in my Library...so I really don't get it. It's more an annoyance than anything else because I use the images to give me context as to where I am in the Library, otherwise I have these grey boxes and I have to swipe over each box to figure out where I am at.
 
Your TV might have apps built-in, but the manufacturer will end support far sooner than Apple will for the ATV. The ATV HD for instance was released in 2015. Tell me how many manufacturers are still updating their TVs from that year. Built in apps also require the use of (e)ARC if you have a separate audio setup, which is undesirable to A/V enthusiasts. I'll take a separate device directly into the receiver every day of the week.

Apple also isn't going after the cheap end of the market with this device. The flagship ATV should be a device that's priced at the upper-end of streaming devices because that's exactly what it is, a high-end streamer. That being said, I will say they should've priced the ATV HD at $100 to compete in the mid-tier of the space. At only $30 cheaper than the 4K, $150 for the HD is big a rip off.
Hi end streamer. Lol.
 
Yes, but the key here is that you need to disconnect your smart TV from having access to the internet, i.e. switch the WiFi off.

This way, the TV cannot report on you to outside servers and the Apple TV functions as your gateway to all streaming services.
I have a TV that doesn't allow switching the WiFi off so I had to make a temporary SSID, switch the set to the temp SSID then delete the temp SSID from my router.
 
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