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New Apple TV model
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kiranmk2
macrumors 68020
I think the Apple TV is a very low seller. The A17Pro on the first gen 3 nm process was quite expensive and low yielding so Apple was very keen to get off that process. Other than the long since discontinued iPhone 15 Pro, the only other product to take the A17Pro is the iPad Mini, so there must be sufficient A17Pro chips (even including the binned versions) for that and the upcoming Apple TV even though production of the chip probably stopped years ago.
For me I struggled with 8k in the beginning. Always want to future proof to some extent. I had a feeling it would fail 4k itself was stuggling at the same time 8k came out. 1080p is the clear winner for the time being.
Ternus will save us. Our long Apple TV delayed upgrade saga is about to end.
kiranmk2
macrumors 68020
Homme
macrumors 65816
But the thing is if a A17 Pro version were to be quickly succeeded then it will have to be with a chip with the Pro Branding in it. A18 Pro isn’t much of a difference ( and supply is dwindling thanks to the MacBook Neo’s popularity which may dry up supply). The A19 Pro is way too new for the Apple TV at this time.
Only by a few months, the A15 in the current Apple TV model was only about a year old when it was released. And I don't think it really needs to be a pro chip either, my guess is that's just because there is no regular A17.
its the worst chip to be able to run the AI features and will be, and is already, out of date.
needed to be a newer chip and possibly only the A17 Pro in a HDMI Stick (that wont happen however much it will disrupt the market
needed to be a newer chip and possibly only the A17 Pro in a HDMI Stick (that wont happen however much it will disrupt the market
tvOS is a stripped down version of iOS so the A17 Pro will work just fine for the next Apple TV 4K. It will literally be the most powerful mainstream streaming device on the market (likely for many years).
I do get that view and to those that know it makes sense
but explain to the lay person that your putting s 3 year old chip in a "new" device.
also XXX games need/want that extra power
so it would make sense to do a Pro version with a newer A19/A19 Pro chip
and maybe the A17 Pro in a sub 100 device (Stick or box)
with a clear differentiation between what these devices look like
SUB 100 (99) - Basic - Apple TV 4K SE (Special Edition) - HDMI Stick - A17 Pro
SUB 200 (159) - Standard - Apple TV 4K (2026) - Box with Same form Factor as now - A18 / A18 Pro
OVER £200 (249/299) - Pro - Apple TV 4K Pro - Box - different Style/Colour Shade - A19 / A19 Pro / A20 / A20 Pro (Sep/Oct/Nov Release)
also Bundle a Apple TV 4K SE for ONLY £49 with every Box
Apple doesn't care about gaming on the Apple TV. I'm not sure how many times that needs to be said. The Apple TV 4K is just a gateway to the Apple TV service. Every Apple TV 4K has used an "old" chip. That is how it has always worked. Putting the latest chip in the device would literally provide no benefit to a streaming device other than raise the cost.
I'm not entirely sold on the rumors that the Apple TV is waiting for the new Siri/AI updates. What for? It already gives you recommendations of what to watch based on your habits. You don't need a more powerful AI to do that. Is there something I'm not thinking of that would make a more powerful Siri/AI be useful on a streaming box?
This is just hypothetical, but what if the Apple TV is being discontinued?
This is just hypothetical, but what if the Apple TV is being discontinued?
- Apple pushed hard to get TVs and streaming boxes/sticks to support AirPlay 2 and run the Apple TV and Apple Music apps. Manufacturers added support to models as old as 2016. One no longer needs the Apple TV hardware to AirPlay or watch Apple TV content like they once did.
- Apple rebranded Apple TV+ to Apple TV. Why? It was easy to differentiate between the service and hardware with the old names. Perhaps there will be no more Apple TV (hardware) to confuse with Apple TV (service)?
- There is a rumored "Home Hub" coming. Maybe this will be the replacement for the hub functionality of the Apple TV? Or maybe this hub will have an HDMI port and can be connected to your TV?
DCIFRTHS
macrumors 68000
JeffPerrin
macrumors 6502a
If I may offer a ray of hope: in this case, the delay also coincides with all home-based products; the HomePod Mini, the Apple TV, and the rumored/unannounced "HomePod Thing with a Screen".
wilderkun
macrumors regular
There’s definitely a new one coming out. Based on people I’ve met in real life, which I know is anecdotal, almost 20 people I know have a recent one, while I’ve never met another person with a HomePod. I think if they were DCing anything it would be the HomePods or the AirPods Max. The Apple TV is pretty safe I think.
Homme
macrumors 65816
Who knows really if it will get the A18 or A19 but The most obvious case in this context is the A10X version because of its vast uniqueness in Apple TV in a similar way the A17 Pro does for this refresh. But the A10X was needed at the time because A11 is a sort of neglected SoC ( and A12 is the superior SoC) and the A10X was needed for the 4K with its 3 HP Cores.
ItsASpider
macrumors regular
The Apple TV 4K Ethernet version has just been pulled from sale for a bunch of Amazon stores across Europe.
Amazon in the US has rarely sold the Apple TV 4K directly from Apple since it was launched so I doubt it means much. Rising RAM costs and chip shortages are more likely the issue.
DCIFRTHS
macrumors 68000
Regardless of reason, this is bad news for people who use Ethernet with Apple TV. The exception would beef a new Ethernet model is on its way.
Yeah, if I were to guess I would say A17 Pro (maybe A18). The A17 Pro was the first SoC with AV1 hardware video decoding. Seems unlikely (to me) they would neglect a rapidly growing video codec in their video decoder box. The A17 Pro also has significantly better game support when it comes to fidelity, much faster GPU, ray tracing support, etc....
Since Apple will focus on features (not specs) they will use the cheapest hardware available that supports whatever features they are cooking up. A18 has a physically smaller die size so the yields are higher, I don't know if that's a meaningful cost difference vs other variables though.
The SoC in the ApplleTV is already overqualified, not only is my 10 year old AppleTV HD up to date but I never see my AppleTV 4k (gen 1 A10X) exceed 40% CPU utilization. Any stutters I see are frame stalls from an unoptimized apps or questionable design choices in those apps (network calls while scrolling, proprietary players doing what it is they are doing). Even though the SoC is a lower tier bin there are half the processes and a fraction of the services running on the AppleTV vs its iPhone counterpart.
I'm more curious what they can possibly do with a new AppleTV that isn't anything more than an bog standard incremental update.
Haven't read all 22 pages but, as someone who needs to buy a new Apple TV...
What's the likelihood of the next gen box being announced and released around WWDC instead of later in the year?
Part of me says be sensible and just wait a few months for when it's likely to be released (maybe September/October), the other part of me lives life on the edge and thinks "buy now".
What's the likelihood of the next gen box being announced and released around WWDC instead of later in the year?
Part of me says be sensible and just wait a few months for when it's likely to be released (maybe September/October), the other part of me lives life on the edge and thinks "buy now".