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New Apple TV model

ISignedUpToAskThis said:
Haven't read all 22 pages but, as someone who needs to buy a new Apple TV...

What's the likelihood of the next gen box being announced and released around WWDC instead of later in the year?

Part of me says be sensible and just wait a few months for when it's likely to be released (maybe September/October), the other part of me lives life on the edge and thinks "buy now".
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I don't think anyone has a crystal ball anymore, I'd say there is a non-zero chance it would be announced during WWDC, but not a high chance. If you need one now and aren't willing to wait until the end of the year, just buy one with a return policy that is at least long enough to cover WWDC.
 
ISignedUpToAskThis said:
Haven't read all 22 pages but, as someone who needs to buy a new Apple TV...

What's the likelihood of the next gen box being announced and released around WWDC instead of later in the year?

Part of me says be sensible and just wait a few months for when it's likely to be released (maybe September/October), the other part of me lives life on the edge and thinks "buy now".
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I doubt any of the new Siri based updated hardware stuff will be released until the fall, when the new os is released publicly
 
cynics said:
Yeah, if I were to guess I would say A17 Pro (maybe A18). The A17 Pro was the first SoC with AV1 hardware video decoding. Seems unlikely (to me) they would neglect a rapidly growing video codec in their video decoder box. The A17 Pro also has significantly better game support when it comes to fidelity, much faster GPU, ray tracing support, etc....

Since Apple will focus on features (not specs) they will use the cheapest hardware available that supports whatever features they are cooking up. A18 has a physically smaller die size so the yields are higher, I don't know if that's a meaningful cost difference vs other variables though.

The SoC in the ApplleTV is already overqualified, not only is my 10 year old AppleTV HD up to date but I never see my AppleTV 4k (gen 1 A10X) exceed 40% CPU utilization. Any stutters I see are frame stalls from an unoptimized apps or questionable design choices in those apps (network calls while scrolling, proprietary players doing what it is they are doing). Even though the SoC is a lower tier bin there are half the processes and a fraction of the services running on the AppleTV vs its iPhone counterpart.

I'm more curious what they can possibly do with a new AppleTV that isn't anything more than an bog standard incremental update.
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I also hope when it comes with the A17 Pro Chip it comes with a USB C Port with 10Gb speeds as well

Yes it’s overqualified because with the A8/2GB Version since it’s only running at 1080p and tvOS is a stripped off version of iOS it’s great that it gets tvOS 26 but so should the Mini 4/Air 2
For iPadOS 26

it’s interesting that your A10X version’s CPU doesn’t go past 40% but then that version doesn’t support Liquid Glass so luckily for it the CPU Performance is doing well


ISignedUpToAskThis said:
Haven't read all 22 pages but, as someone who needs to buy a new Apple TV...

What's the likelihood of the next gen box being announced and released around WWDC instead of later in the year?

Part of me says be sensible and just wait a few months for when it's likely to be released (maybe September/October), the other part of me lives life on the edge and thinks "buy now".
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I hope it comes before tvOS 27 that way a tvOS 26 version will be released amongst the other ones which are still getting tvOS 26
wilderkun said:
I doubt any of the new Siri based updated hardware stuff will be released until the fall, when the new os is released publicly
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maybe not the first developer beta but other betas for sure
 
The more info we get and the closer we get to the eventual launch the more boring and formulaic the rumours get.

Completely happy to be wrong but all my thoughts of HDMI Stick & Pro version Box have dissipated into iteration.

It seems like, same box, improved internals but no innovation, a massive and notable hangover of the Tim Cook era.

The Siri delay has made the inevitable tranche of products coming lose all excitement and wonder and we "mostly" know its just the 'same' thing but massively better which is good but now not exciting.

Does anyone see any product including & maybe especially the Apple TV to be in anyway different from its predecessors on the outside or have Apple just got to the end of the cycle and we wont see different because they haven't been allowed to or have been conditioned not to "think different" for around 10-15yrs.

All that said, i'm 100% buying the 'New' Apple TV 4K Ethernet Version, and that is Tim's success.

I welcome Jim with expectant wonder
 
firewire9000 said:
I think that the new Apple TV will be a disappointment because since the rumors say that the hardware was finalized quite some time ago, it will arrive with outdated specs already. Launching a product with the A17 Pro when the A20 Pro is already out isn’t ideal.
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The Apple TV always uses "outdated specs" when released. And it will be the fastest mainstream streaming device by far when the next one is released. I'm not sure people really understand how much tvOS is a stripped version of iOS. It doesn't need to same amount of resources.
 
bozzykid said:
The Apple TV always uses "outdated specs" when released. And it will be the fastest mainstream streaming device by far when the next one is released. I'm not sure people really understand how much tvOS is a stripped version of iOS. It doesn't need to same amount of resources.
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Not that oudated and not always, the HD had a A8 only one year after its debut, the 1st gen 4K had A10X just months after its debut, the 2nd gen 4K had the A12 less than a year and a half after its debut and the 3rd gen 4K had the A15 a year after its debut. If the new 4th gen 4K comes with the A17 Pro it will be the first Apple TV release with a 3 years old chip.

It doesn’t need a lot of resources but if you use it for gaming or playing hi res videos, sometimes the system can lag a bit.
 
firewire9000 said:
Not that oudated and not always, the HD had a A8 only one year after its debut, the 1st gen 4K had A10X just months after its debut, the 2nd gen 4K had the A12 less than a year and a half after its debut and the 3rd gen 4K had the A15 a year after its debut. If the new 4th gen 4K comes with the A17 Pro it will be the first Apple TV release with a 3 years old chip.

It doesn’t need a lot of resources but if you use it for gaming or playing hi res videos, sometimes the system can lag a bit.
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"Hi res video" meaning higher than 4K? Does ATV support higher than 4K?
As far as I know, gaming is the only reason for a higher spec ATV. But I don't think Apple is interested in making ATV an AAA gaming platform.
 
subjonas said:
"Hi res video" meaning higher than 4K? Does ATV support higher than 4K?
As far as I know, gaming is the only reason for a higher spec ATV. But I don't think Apple is interested in making ATV an AAA gaming platform.
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I meant high bitrate video, sorry. When watching BD remuxes while sending the audio to the stereo HomePods and with subtitles, the interface becomes a bit laggy.
 
firewire9000 said:
I meant high bitrate video, sorry. When watching BD remuxes while sending the audio to the stereo HomePods and with subtitles, the interface becomes a bit laggy.
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Oh interesting, never tried that.
I'm curious, do you know if say a PS5 could do that lag-free (not sure if it can stream lossless audio to stereo speakers though)? Or is that something only a computer hooked up to a TV could do?
 
Still not ruling out a dramatic shift in direction and the Apple TV Pro coming in the size of a 2010 Mac Mini in Matte Black
with a Glowing white Apple logo
and blue light surrounding a detachable/optional
slot loading Blu-ray drive
and an A20 Pro Chip.

That would be a headline maker.

Yes that was sarcastic
even though I would love it
and 100% buy it
 
I have thought for a while that Apple will give us two versions of the Apple TV (moving forward), one with all the bells and whistles (AI, home, and gaming oriented) and another stripped down, cheaper version for the streamers out there. The second won't have the bells and whistles, but it will be able to stream; for those who want a good, cheap streamer - WWDC 26 may be their time. The AI version will come at the iPhone event in September. We might even see a "console" version in September or October. The second will take over cheap streaming. The first will take over the living room. The third, assuming there is one (????), might break the gaming industry. This is, of course, assuming that Apple gets itself into gear and really fixes Siri...
 
if there is more than 1 version & 1 of them isn't a HDMI stick then there is something seriously wrong

The Apple TV is an area Apple haven't even tried to compete with any other 'competitor' as they will never sell in numbers or scale with their pricing, this is their least aggressive revenue stream.
Look at Roku & Amazon and to a degree Google hitting several areas of the market.
Apple TV needs its 'NEO' moment.

if they went Neo Stick, Air Standard Box & Ultra/Pro Box everyone on this forum and more importantly those who want Apple TV but have some sort of barrier whether mentally or financially would be served the product they need/want.
 
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Apart from the initial launch and the 4th gen model that launched alongside the TvOS App Store, the Apple TV has always seemed like a word-of-mouth product that has had minimal push from Apple. I am intrigued whether the new version gets a big marketing push, if it is enabling some kind of smart home AI hub support. If the AI support is just limited to making better recommendations for content to watch, use the new Siri on your TV or even be able to take AI/Siri requests from Homepods (also niche products), then I can't see it making any waves apart from the small, but dedicated followers that tend to hang out on these forums.
 
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DJHB1980 said:
if there is more than 1 version & 1 of them isn't a HDMI stick then there is something seriously wrong

The Apple TV is an area Apple haven't even tried to compete with any other 'competitor' as they will never sell in numbers or scale with their pricing, this is their least aggressive revenue stream.
Look at Roku & Amazon and to a degree Google hitting several areas of the market.
Apple TV needs its 'NEO' moment.

if they went Neo Stick, Air Standard Box & Ultra/Pro Box everyone on this forum and more importantly those who want Apple TV but have some sort of barrier whether mentally or financially would be served the product they need/want.
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couldn't agree more. I guess we'll see...
 
kiranmk2 said:
Apart from the initial launch and the 4th gen model that launched alongside the TvOS App Store, the Apple TV has always seemed like a word-of-mouth product that has had minimal push from Apple. I am intrigued whether the new version gets a big marketing push, if it is enabling some kind of smart home AI hub support. If the AI support is just limited to making better recommendations for content to watch, use the new Siri on your TV or even be able to take AI/Siri requests from Homepods (also niche products), then I can't see it making any waves apart from the small, but dedicated followers that tend to hang out on these forums.
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Reasonably certain it will have at least the N1 chip. If so, it will be a matter/thread home hub; the lights, doorbells, cameras, etc. should work faster and more efficiently. You should be able to set up a mesh network for the home with a couple of HomePod minis and an Apple TV or two... The only problem with this dream is that they manufactured the things last fall, according to some reports.... I guess we will see.
 
WebHead said:
My son took the plunge with the current model earlier this year while I'm still holding out. At this point I'd say he's the smart one.
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Nah that was a big mistake.
It will be better in every metric
and it will be here either this month
or September at the latest.
Its capabilities will eclipse everything else and the last generation box will seem dated from day one of the new device(s)
 
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