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New Apple TV model

They could allow a USB Ethernet adapter to be used to get Ethernet speeds without putting the connection on a version of the Box
also of use if a Stick actually does get made or more to the point if Apple are capable of making it, which I now doubt.

I do wonder if Apple would ever be able to do what Roku do and make its TVOS capable of running on a TV, could they license it to a TV brand.
Of course it won’t happen because of the economics just don’t work as it’s not a ad laden mess.

For the record TVOS on a TCL/Sony Bravia X (10) RGB LED and/or OLED or both would EASILY be the best TV(s) EVER.
 
DJHB1980 said:
I do wonder if Apple would ever be able to do what Roku do and make its TVOS capable of running on a TV, could they license it to a TV brand.
Of course it won’t happen because of the economics just don’t work as it’s not a ad laden mess.

For the record TVOS on a TCL/Sony Bravia X (10) RGB LED and/or OLED or both would EASILY be the best TV(s) EVER.
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Personally, I have no interest in a TV with tvOS integrated. I prefer ATV as a separate box for two reasons:
Privacy--I don't trust TV manufacturers to not monitor my usage/private data so I don't allow TVs access to the internet.
Modularity--I can choose the brains and the display I want independently, and I can replace/upgrade either of them without being forced to do so with the other
 
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Mr. Heckles said:
They removed it from all of their computers, who says they won’t on the Apple
Tv?
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They didn't remove it from everything. And the devices that got it removed can use a USB adapter. The Apple TV has no such ability. Like I said, they need to find ways to upcharge for the higher end model so removing it would make it a tough sell.
 
DJHB1980 said:
They could allow a USB Ethernet adapter to be used to get Ethernet speeds without putting the connection on a version of the Box
also of use if a Stick actually does get made or more to the point if Apple are capable of making it, which I now doubt.

I do wonder if Apple would ever be able to do what Roku do and make its TVOS capable of running on a TV, could they license it to a TV brand.
Of course it won’t happen because of the economics just don’t work as it’s not a ad laden mess.

For the record TVOS on a TCL/Sony Bravia X (10) RGB LED and/or OLED or both would EASILY be the best TV(s) EVER.
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Apple TV + and airplay are already available on 99% of new TVs. If Apple released a stick form factor there’s literally no point, because it wouldn’t be able to run 3rd party apps, which is the entire point of the Apple TV. There’s no stick ever coming because of that
 
DJHB1980 said:
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I do wonder if Apple would ever be able to do what Roku do and make its TVOS capable of running on a TV, could they license it to a TV brand.
Of course it won’t happen because of the economics just don’t work as it’s not a ad laden mess.

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I'm not saying it's the same thing at all but just as a point of curiosity/interest, there is already one case that I know of of Apple licensing the entire Apple TV box which includes TVOS of course.

There is a major UK TV provider in the UK - not a TV channel but maybe something more like a cable TV provider in the USA - that has been licensing the Apple TV box (ATV) for some years now. It (EE TV, formerly BT TV) provides all the free TV channels and various optional paid-for channel packages (sports, movies etc) all delivered via IPTV through EE's own interface (e.g. electronic program guide for all of the live TV channels). In the same way that (I assume) you need the providers cable TV box to get cable TV in the USA you need a streaming puck from EE to get its service but there it gets interesting because EE offers either its own very cost-engineered box or you can instead choose to get a 4K Apple TV box (the wired Ethernet A15 Bionic version) when signing up. In both cases EE doesn't charge anything for the box. If you choose the ATV option you get an EE branded box with the EE software locked in some way (MAC-locked maybe) to the specific box that EE provides.

I think it's a really interesting model and I see it as something of a vote of confidence for Apple TV that EE thinks it is enough of an advantage to offer this option that it is willing to fund the price it pays to Apple out of its ongoing subscription fees for the TV service rather than charging extra to choose the ATV option. Honestly I'd be more than happy to pay an extra £50 for the ATV option although since I'm not a customer I don't know if maybe there are other locks on the ATV that EE provides that means it isn't a full ATV box.

I'm currently with one of EE's competitors - Sky TV - and I'm very likely to leave and do everything via individual apps on my not-yet-purchased ATV but if Sky offered the same ATV option as EE Tv I might well be tempted to keep my Sky subscription because one of my biggest complaints with my current Sky service is how appallingly slow and under-powered the streaming puck that Sky provides is.

I have no connection with EE, not even as a customer, but if anyone is interested EE's info page about its ATV option is here - https://ee.co.uk/tv/apple-tv-4k
 
wilderkun said:
Apple TV + and airplay are already available on 99% of new TVs. If Apple released a stick form factor there’s literally no point, because it wouldn’t be able to run 3rd party apps, which is the entire point of the Apple TV. There’s no stick ever coming because of that
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??? First off, Apple isn't making a stick as it seems that rumor died out years ago. But if they were to create a stick, it would run full tvOS with full app support so I am not sure what you are even saying. Plenty of companies sell stick devices that run full OSes with third party app support. Apple would be the same if they sold that form factor.
 
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bozzykid said:
??? First off, Apple isn't making a stick as it seems that rumor died out years ago. But if they were to create a stick, it would run full tvOS with full app support so I am not sure what you are even saying. Plenty of companies sell stick devices that run full OSes with third party app support. Apple would be the same if they sold that form factor.
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It wouldn’t run the full system because you’d need active cooling. The stick absolutely wouldn’t be able to run the full tvOS, at best it could run Netflix or Hulu, but there’s not a way to get it run a game like the current one does.
 
Homme said:
Though the A8 did come with year old chip it wasn’t quite the same A8 it was a newer one with 2GB of RAM and a 100Mhz extra clock speed and it was great that it got the A10X one months after since the A10X can handle 4K output better than the A11 can ( and the A11 is a neglected CPU in its history)

Even if it does come with a 3 year old Pro Chip you have to take a look at the fact that as you said it doesn’t need a lot or resources ( hence why Apple TV HD got tvOS 26 with its A8/2GB of RAM) but if the next Apple TV gets the A17 Pro then Apple is putting it in the same category as the iPad Mini ( from the iPad Mini 4/Apple TV HD) onwards in terms of CPU/RAM ( except the A10X Apple TV as there is no iPad Mini equivalent)
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If the choice of A17 Pro is partly to do with price or age of design, could it be a chip that Intel could be manufacturing for Apple?
 
wilderkun said:
It wouldn’t run the full system because you’d need active cooling. The stick absolutely wouldn’t be able to run the full tvOS, at best it could run Netflix or Hulu, but there’s not a way to get it run a game like the current one does.
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The current 3rd Gen AppleTV 4k doesn't have a fan - the 2nd gen does. Apparently although the two boxes look the same there are differences in width. depth, and height.

I can't see Apple doing a stick version of Apple TV though,
 
sublunar said:
The current 3rd Gen AppleTV 4k doesn't have a fan - the 2nd gen does. Apparently although the two boxes look the same there are differences in width. depth, and height.

I can't see Apple doing a stick version of Apple TV though
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Weird thought it was this generation with the fan lol
 
I am interested in a new ATV if it offers things I want at a reasonable price. Hi-Res Music streaming would be one of them.
 
wilderkun said:
It wouldn’t run the full system because you’d need active cooling. The stick absolutely wouldn’t be able to run the full tvOS, at best it could run Netflix or Hulu, but there’s not a way to get it run a game like the current one does.
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The iPhone doesn’t have active cooling. Have you seen how small the board is? Most of the innards of the phones are the battery and the camera system. They could absolutely do a stick if they wanted to.
 
I think power draw for the current Apple TV can swing upwards to 6 watts which could tax most USB ports on TV's unless in its spec state up to 1 amp.
 
wilderkun said:
It wouldn’t run the full system because you’d need active cooling. The stick absolutely wouldn’t be able to run the full tvOS, at best it could run Netflix or Hulu, but there’s not a way to get it run a game like the current one does.
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We literally have the iPhone without a fan and a stick can have much better passive cooling without a battery. If Apple released a stick, it would 100% be full tvOS.
 
I believe the iPhone battery delivers more than a usb port plus if the power demands are not met throttling happens along with freezes and reboots.
 
bozzykid said:
We literally have the iPhone without a fan and a stick can have much better passive cooling without a battery. If Apple released a stick, it would 100% be full tvOS.
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It’s literally never happening. Your building yourself up to be either disappointed or convince others to not buy one until your demands are met. They are going to make a full feature cheap Apple TV box before they ever make a stick. Also the iPhone is massive and has a massive heat sink, plus vapor cooling. A stick would be 1 inch wide and like 4 inches long. There’s no way to put a full recent a processor in it. And again the only reason to have a stick form factor is to watch Apple TV + and airplay, both of which are on nearly every TV now.
 
wilderkun said:
It’s literally never happening. Your building yourself up to be either disappointed or convince others to not buy one until your demands are met. They are going to make a full feature cheap Apple TV box before they ever make a stick. Also the iPhone is massive and has a massive heat sink, plus vapor cooling. A stick would be 1 inch wide and like 4 inches long. There’s no way to put a full recent a processor in it. And again the only reason to have a stick form factor is to watch Apple TV + and airplay, both of which are on nearly every TV now.
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I know there is no stick coming. I believe there were rumors years ago they were working on one but I would guess they couldn't make it work financially. Also, it would not be difficult to handle cooling on stick. The A series chips are extremely efficient. The iPhone battery takes up 50% of the size of the iPhone. Putting an A series chip in a stick is not that technically challenging. Other companies are using chipsets in sticks with way worse efficiency.
 
wilderkun said:
It’s literally never happening. Your building yourself up to be either disappointed or convince others to not buy one until your demands are met. They are going to make a full feature cheap Apple TV box before they ever make a stick. Also the iPhone is massive and has a massive heat sink, plus vapor cooling. A stick would be 1 inch wide and like 4 inches long. There’s no way to put a full recent a processor in it. And again the only reason to have a stick form factor is to watch Apple TV + and airplay, both of which are on nearly every TV now.
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Couldn't have said that much better myself, Apple don't need to compete at the bottom there.

What I will say is at the 'top' of the AppleTV ecosystem could be an opportunity to release a Mac Neo with A18 Pro (rather than the currently mooted A17 Pro) that can dual boot (or reinstall) as an Apple TV. It could replace the lower SKUs of the Mac mini that look in danger of a price increase according to recent chatter from Mark Gurman.

Just needs 256 and 512Gb SKUs, HDMI port (instead of say the USB-C 2.0, if bandwidth is limited), USB-C 3.0 port like the MacBook Neo and a digital out port.

Even if they don't announce Apple TV capability now something at WWDC next year to allow any Mac to boot into tvOS as a long term support project would be a good way to re-using old M1 class hardware that might be about to lose main line MacOS support from MacOS 28. The First M1 Macs would have been launched almost 6 years ago by the time macOS 28 comes out and allowing them to boot tvOS as a games machine if not allowed to run macOS 28 - instead taking on tvOS Pro - would be big news.

Imagine an M1 mini being able to be repurposed as a AppleTV streaming box...
 
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