I don't recall anyone saying 4k content on a 4k display doesn't "look good".
I think we're more talking about the value/necessity to upgrade at this current time (or anytime soon), no?
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New Apple TV Obsolete - No 4K
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I don't recall anyone saying 4k content on a 4k display doesn't "look good".
I think we're more talking about the value/necessity to upgrade at this current time (or anytime soon), no?
That is true but most tvs over a 1,000 are 4k and and any tv over 1800, that is 4k will support hdr.
Neither of which addresses the point that there's very little 4k/HDR content out there, so perhaps someone buying today would be best getting a clearance/pre-owned 1080p and continuing to enjoy with their big money off the table for another year or 2. Just a thought.
I guess. Well amazon has 4k hdr content and so does M-go and Netflix. Plus UHD Bluray will be out by the end of the year.
Just return my Apple TV yesterday, this is going to be a long process. Updates and updates maybe my January 2016 they we'll get their act together. I will keep using the old box. And the Roku 4 4K looks amazing specialy if you own a 4K tv.
8K is for theaters, not the home. This is something that would be used in a mastering studio or editing room at a film studio in prep for a theater release, not your home.
From the article:
"Instead, Sharp is positioning the panel as a monitor for businesses that can make use of the ultra-high resolution. 8K is 7680 x 4320, which works out to 104 pixels per inch at the 85-inch size; actual 8K output requires the use of four HDMI 2.0 inputs."
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
IMO, almost no chance of that.
The update will be called the
TV 5 "now with 4K" (but otherwise identical to this "4," much like the "3" was the "2" "now with 1080p").You buy the update, not get it for free via a software update.
And again, like the "3" update, it probably doesn't arrive until either with or soon after next year's iPads inherit this year's iPhone 4K camera. My guess is October 2016-March 2017 for the "5".
Magically, once Apple rolls out a 4K
TV, all the 4K bashing, all the "you can't see the difference", "the chart", etc arguments against 4K will just evaporate, replaced by "shut up and take my money". And apparently, the "whole internet will be upgraded to make 4K work for everyone" too. And so on. In other words (and again just like group sentiment before the "3") all this negativity putting down 4K will just cease as soon as Apple embraces it in this product. What you won't see is this crowd calling Apple stupid for embracing the "gimmick", "another version of 3D", "nobody can see the difference" and so on. Even now, Apple's embrace of 4K in just about every other product they offer doesn't get ripped by these same people. 4K is only "useless" here... in this ONE Apple product... because Apple chose to leave it out of this one thing.
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This is the 1st day we've heard about an update. Nothing substantial is going to change in 2 months other than a little fine tuning.
If the aTV isn't right for you today then I doubt it ever will be, definitely not in the next couple months or even this time next year.
With my sitting distance, personally, a 4k isn't worth the upgrade since I already have a decent 1080 60" unless I go with a 70-80" screen even if that happens this year I'd wait for a 4k aTV rather than dropping any cash on another Roku device.
Magically, once Apple rolls out a 4K
Word. I'm keeping an eye on the posters that attacked me for expressing that I wished Apple had pushed the bar on 4K video distribution with this device.
For that matter, why can't it use the iCloud Keychain for that stuff? Re-logging into to all my old stuff with that interface was frustrating.
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I feel like Apple adding 4K would push everyone else (content providers) in that direction. Personally, it doesn't affect me, but I can understand the argument that it should have been included.
No one's against the ATV4 having 4K. For me it's just not a feature whose absence would stop me from getting the ATV4. There are plenty of other pluses to having the ATV4. Even with a few missing things, it's a vast improvement over ATV3 and a step in the right direction.
If you feel different and lack of 4K is a deal breaker, then don't get it. No biggie. I just don't see the point in continuing to complain about it. I highly doubt it was Apple being cheap or trying to extort money, which is what most of the complaints insist. One could argue they would have gotten a lot MORE money if they were able to implement it.
From my one day of using it, I can kind of see why they may not have put it in. tvOS looks like a practically ground up redesign from the software perspective. I would venture a guess that having 4K would add more (potential) problems to deal with than what they already have (lag, buffering, etc). Every feature they add leads to another possible failure point. So, leave it out for now and add it at a future date when they have a lot more users, a lot more apps, the OS is more stable, and more important features are implemented (eg true universal Siri support).
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IMO, almost no chance of that.
The update will be called the
You buy the update, not get it for free via a software update.
And again, like the "3" update, it probably doesn't arrive until either with or soon after next year's iPads inherit this year's iPhone 4K camera. My guess is October 2016-March 2017 for the "5".
Magically, once Apple rolls out a 4K
By the time Apple embraces it, it will be a standard and widely available. Until then, it's just marketing.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Apple already embraced 4K...
- iPhone 6s shoots 4K video (they're prominently touting 4K in national TV commercials)
- iMovie & FCPx edits 4K video
- iMac Retina 4K and 5K are made "for editing 4K video at full resolution"
- Quicktime packages 4K video
- iTunes indexes/stores 4K video
- new iPad Pro edits three 4K streams simultaneously
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
You're full of it. I'm an Apple fan. Just about everything I have is Apple. Just because some of us don't tow the company line in every single detail of every product don't make us the enemy. Instead, we're Apple fans who can actually "think different".
Cool story. On the consumer level it's a different story. And who says they won't update to 4K via software when they are ready?
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Me. Why? Because we've already seen this exact same story. When Apple clung to 720p while pretty much everyone else had embraced 1080p, people like you made the same argument against those of us wishing for a 1080p
TV. Then, Apple rolls out a 1080p and people like you don't show up to call Apple stupid for embracing a gimmick, "stupid", "nobody can see", "the chart", etc. Only fellow Apple consumers are stupid when they wish Apple had included something in a new product... until Apple goes there and then it's "shut up and take my money".Apple will go 4K with the
TV5 which will pretty much be the TV4 "now with 4K". See TV3 "now with 1080p" for precedent.Maybe. However, most people focus on what's great and give feedback on what they would like to see improved instead of getting hyper critical
Agree. How much content is "really" avail now? You can watch Netflix 4K and that is really a limited number of programs movies in actual 4K. Amazon has UHD but again programs really in 4K are minimal. Oh and those two have compressed formats for 4K. Bandwidth needed for true 4K is huge. There is no 4K Blueray. Sony has the only other 4K source/content with their 4K movie server. It will be like 18-24 months before any network broadcasts in 4K, if it happens at all. By then 8K will be out, since its right on the horizon.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Why don't you start a website called OnlyPostiiveAppleComments.com for those "most people". I've never seen an all-praise forum on any website. It seems all praise (or all bashing) would get old fast. It's the variety of opinions that make things interesting. And I don't see anyone being "hyper critical" when they share they wish a product came with ONE feature available on just about everyone else's similar product and provides a complete all-Apple solution to: iPhone shoots 4K -> iMovie edits 4K -> Quicktime stores the rendered 4K file -> iMovie indexes the 4K file -> AppleTV4 -> 4K TV.
People here wishing for it may just be wanting that complete Apple solution instead of shooting 4K on their new Apple iPhone and then having to jump through hoops and/or use some competitors hardware to get that video to their new 4K TV. That's not "being hyper critical". That's wishing they could get everything they want from Apple.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
If Apple had gone there with this box, the owners of content would have moved quickly to be among the first with 4K offerings added to the iTunes store. Look at the games for this new
TV. Those "software" owners were already coding for a new TV before it was possible to make 1 cent on their games. Why? Being among the first out with games was enticing enough to motivate them on potential.The argument to wait for 4K Blu Ray and/or everyone else to offer 4K is basically wanting competition to get a leg up. Why not Apple being the leader here? After all in the very same session they rolled out a product that is going to sell in tens of millions of units that shoots 4K. That will create a TON of 4K content for a 4K
TV until there are enough in homes to tempt Studios to offer more and more content in 4K. Once one did and once they showed a profit for doing so, all of the others would quickly follow.The gaming capabilities/app store would put lots of these boxes in homes. 4K hardware already in homes would tempt Studio profiteers to test some 4K content. Boom. Who would need 4K Blu Ray? BUT, that's what it will be now. Discs will bring the mainstream solution first and Apple will get there eventually.
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I kind of agree but you get much better video by recording 1080p 60fps on the iPhone 6s than 4k 30 fps with low bitrates
And? If you happen to have a 4K TV then the Apple box is not what you should be purchasing. Life goes on. When 4K sets and content become more mainstream, Apple will add it.