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It was kind of weird, as I "searched" for some apps earlier, such as HBOGO among others and they did not show up as available apps...except for HBO NOW, not HBOGO. Later (about and hour or so) I looked under the apps that I had downloaded in the past "Apps Purchased" and there they were. I downloaded them and now they are on my ATV.
I'm thinking they are working the app store as we speak. Not sure, but found this really weird.

Can anyone confirm/deny that there is an ABC/AMC/USA app? Thanks
 
The first thing I noticed is the scroll is 'un-natural'. Apple went through the fight of changing scrolling on the OS X to match iOS only to put it back on the TVos?

That wouldn't work at all on a TV interface. How would you select an app if the scrolling wasn't one row at a time?
 
Won't buy Amazon Fire - no Apple. Won't by Apple TV - no Amazon. C'mon guys talk it over!

I'd much rather Amazon show up on AppleTV than the opposite. That said, Apple not exposing iTunes on any other devices is a long-standing policy. Back when songs were DRM'd, iTunes songs did not play on non-Apple devices. iTunes videos and books etc have always been fully DRM'd and have never played outside that small ecosystem. It is hard to imagine someone being surprised by the fact that iTunes movies will not play on their FireTV.

On the opposite side, I know a lot of people who have invested in Amazon Instant Video content specifically because Amazon was supporting their library on pretty much every device out there. Amazon's about-face protectionism is new, and breaks the main reason they had risen to popularity in the first place.

Amazon is making a very bad, product-destroying decision here. I know I have stopped using my Fire TV Stick almost entirely, despite being a Prime subscriber, and won't rent something on Amazon if it is available on iTunes even if that costs me a little more (the streaming experience on the broken-networking-stack FireTV Stick isn't worth hassling with even if it means saving a buck or two on a rental).
 
The first thing I noticed is the scroll is 'un-natural'. Apple went through the fight of changing scrolling on the OS X to match iOS only to put it back on the TVos?

On the TV you are moving a selection, not moving content. "Natural" scrolling which focuses on the content would only work if the selection was trapped dead center and the whole interface moved around left-right-up-down to place stuff underneath it.

Note that while OS X has natural direction scrolling for the mouse wheel / trackpad, positioning the cursor is still the same way it always has been. There is no "scroll wheel" on the AppleTV, just a "pointer" selection. So, it is completely consistent with OS X.
 
That wouldn't work at all on a TV interface. How would you select an app if the scrolling wasn't one row at a time?

I mean, when you swipe up or down, the list you are scrolling moves the opposite direction that the same list would move if you swipe up on your iOS device or with your track pad or mouse scroll wheel on OS X.

Everyone said the same when they switched OS X to what Apple calls 'natural' scrolling. At first it didn't make sense until I began to stop thinking about scroll bars on the side and think about pushing the list up or down like you do naturally on an iOS device.

On the be Appletv, the swipe of the track pad on the remote is acting like arrow keys and not a track pad. I don't like this.
 
Hey Amazon, the bag of dog food I bought on your site isn't compatible with Instant Video either but you still list it!

And, clearly, they will only sell TVs with Amazon access built in, right? And they will only sell products in their store that offer Prime shipping, because people get really confused when the thing they buy that doesn't say "Prime Shipping" on it doesn't arrive in two days, right?

No, that reasoning is all pure post-fact-rationalizing BS. The move to remove Chromecast and AppleTV from their stores (including partners who don't offer any of the Prime benefits to begin with) is pure protectionism. It is a last-gasp type of move, which is odd because I'd previously thought of the FireTV as a reasonably attractive and profitable line. Apparently they are not selling as well as Amazon needs them to, which is not a good sign for anyone thinking of buying them (if Amazon is flailing this hard, they are apt to cancel the hardware and support at a moment's notice too).
 
I don't understand the crying about Amazon's tactics:

2) Not making Apple TV app

- They don't make an Android app either (at least not directly). It's their business strategy. Maybe they don't want to pay the 15% Apple tax that Apple charges every Apple TV subscription service. Netflix in general is better than Amazon Prime anyway.

15% of what? Amazon doesn't sell anything in their iOS Amazon Video app, only prime/free/ones you've already paid for.

The app does support AirPlay, but if I'm going to flip to that I might as flip over to the Amazon app in my TiVo or the one built into my TV...

Gary
 
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Does Apple claim that it sells everything from "A to Z", even incorporating that slogan into their logo with an arrow running from an "a" to a "z"?

No, but I feel we all can understand quite plainly that it's a direct competing device as opposed to a general device.
As in Apple could decide to sell other brands of products for many other items, but they would never sell a iPhone competitor.
 
Just got my ATV4 and set it up, but I had to run to a meeting before I got much time to play with it. I noticed under "computer" where I home share all my movies, tv shows, home videos and music that it looks the same as the old interface except white - all my movies are listed in alphabetical order with a photo of the movie on the left. I've always hated that and had hoped the new UI would be different. I would love for all the movies to be displayed by their cover (similar to how Plex does it) - has this ever been an option?

I don't have an ATV4, but my ATV3 shows movie covers/posters rather than a random frame from the movie, unless I skip passing them through Subler or Ivi to put that poster/cover on. I think Plex looks covers up on the fly, but iTunes and AppleTV rely on the ID3 (or whatever) tags in the file itself for this information.

FWIW, ripping a bluray with makemkv, then passing through Ivi for one-step reencoding/tagging is a pretty good setup. If I have more time I'll use a different app to encode down then use Subler for tagging. Of course, the local library browsing on our AppleTV has ben failing more and more often the past couple of years (and relies on a specific account being logged on a computer and iTunes being up, neither of which are super reliable), so I've moved away from ripping blurays and dads before them and now tend to just buy stuff digital first (or buy bluray with digital download codes and put the disk on the shelf). Hoping that when Plex comes out on the ATV4 that will work better than the iTunes "family sharing" contraption.
 
First impression (from The Netherlands): iOS Remote not working, snappy interface, very limited App store, 4 x entering my account user name + password, gaming is nice, slow loading of apple music songs, etc etc

Fuller App Store and snappier loading and i am sold.

Great packing (always admire apple for it) and great product, just need more functionality.

PS didnt get siri to work even after changing my account region to USA....
 
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Is anyone having trouble finding their "Purchased" apps? I seen them, but now all I get is the spinning wheel when I scroll to the purchased. All I get is the "Featured" and "Search".
It's been that way for a couple hours now.
 
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Make sure they hear the complaints.

That rep was completely uninformed unfortunately.

The Apple TV was pulled from the stores and any Amazon Marketplace sellers. This is not an issue of Amazon and Apple needing to come to reseller terms. It is a policy issue.

As, in fact, Amazon said in its original letter telling marketplace vendors it will no longer accept AppleTV and Chromecast listings because they thing they will confuse their customers who are apparently under the impression that Amazon Prime Videos are available on every video device. They aren't biased? BS. They announced that they are specifically biased.

This does make me leery of buying anything else that Amazon has a store brand for like cables, batteries, etc. Amazon has crossed a pretty serious trust line here.
 
Amazon Instant Video is available in the iOS App Store. Just plug your phone into a charger, and launch that app and mirror to your AppleTV. Problem solved.

I always found the quality of Amazon Instant Video played via Airplay to be far inferior to the quality available on computer screens, etc. I had attributed it to the video content having to come down wirelessly to my phone then wirelessly back up to the Airport then over the Ethernet to the AppleTV, then found that the AirPlay spec actually doesn't do that (unless Amazon was doing things horribly wrong, they would just send a URL over to the ATV which it would stream from, similar to what Chromecast does). When I switched to the FireTV stick for Amazon content the quality improved dramatically (but the FireTV stick will randomly cut out and complain that the network has been disconnected in the middle of movies, a clear instance of Amazon Quality, so I don't use it much either). So, if we do anything on Amazon Video it is generally something we don't care if it gets interrupted (so no movies or tense shows) or something we can watch on a computer screen (where the Silverlight player replaced the older Flash player and lost several key features, so even that is less likely to happen).

I like the Amazon Prime service. But, expecting me to buy a new Fire TV box after the lemon they call the FireTV Stick is just not realistic. They are letting their other mechanisms of access wither on the vine. At this point, when we decide if we want to pay for Prime shipping again next year, it will just be Prime Shipping that falls into that decision (and as others have noted, it seems less and less reliable and so less valuable, even as they have raised the yearly price).
 
This is odd behaviour from Amazon. My theory is Roku have done a deal with Amazon to keep Prime off the other devices for the time being. They're the ones with the most to lose if ATV is a hit, and Amazon features them quite proudly alongside the Fire Stick.
 
I always found the quality of Amazon Instant Video played via Airplay to be far inferior to the quality available on computer screens, etc. I had attributed it to the video content having to come down wirelessly to my phone then wirelessly back up to the Airport then over the Ethernet to the AppleTV, then found that the AirPlay spec actually doesn't do that (unless Amazon was doing things horribly wrong, they would just send a URL over to the ATV which it would stream from, similar to what Chromecast does). When I switched to the FireTV stick for Amazon content the quality improved dramatically (but the FireTV stick will randomly cut out and complain that the network has been disconnected in the middle of movies, a clear instance of Amazon Quality, so I don't use it much either). So, if we do anything on Amazon Video it is generally something we don't care if it gets interrupted (so no movies or tense shows) or something we can watch on a computer screen (where the Silverlight player replaced the older Flash player and lost several key features, so even that is less likely to happen).

I like the Amazon Prime service. But, expecting me to buy a new Fire TV box after the lemon they call the FireTV Stick is just not realistic. They are letting their other mechanisms of access wither on the vine. At this point, when we decide if we want to pay for Prime shipping again next year, it will just be Prime Shipping that falls into that decision (and as others have noted, it seems less and less reliable and so less valuable, even as they have raised the yearly price).


Thinking Amazon doesn't mind not ever showing a profit.
It seems it's their business model.
 
As long as I can still stream from my iPad to aTV, I am fine with prime that way. Besides, Amazon really needs to redo their app. It kind of stinks.
 
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