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flash and colour? just gimmicks again, I want a larger screen!!!

If they seriously release another repackaged same old phone , they have lost the plot.
 
For those of you who are misinformed, "Emerging markets" doesn't mean Bent Toe Alaska..

If you live in the US, you won't have the option of buying the "low cost" iPhone, unless you want to move to India or Vietnam or similar.
 
Low cost iPhone is such an obvious stab in the dark.

I don't buy it. Not as a tool for emerging markets. Too many systems in place to reduce upfront costs etc.

Now a light use phone that was basically a dumb phone and by that nature used older and less expensive parts and happened to cost less. Something for the younger kids, grannies, folks that are happy doing apps etc on their iPads. Okay that I might believe

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It's a two edged sword. A xenon flash does provide much brighter light and thus more power to stop the action and fill up the room but it cannot be used for video and too often a direct flash light just overexposes everything. A good example is the second photo in your link;

That was dual LED, the xenon was under it.

That said, given the expense etc I think I'd rather see better low light sensors than a xenon flash at this point. Particularly if it really does eat battery life
 
I thought the flashes would have to be further apart from each other to actually make a difference? Someone correct me if I'm wrong as I have little understanding of the effects...

Pretty sure it's not about proximity. It's about having a yellow AND white flash. It'll turn on one or the other based on the lighting conditions.
 
I'm expecting the new cheaper iPhone to share the same design and components as the next iPod touch to maximise economies of scale and to allow them to reduce the price of the iPod touch to try and halt rapidly declining iPod sales.
 
flash and colour? just gimmicks again, I want a larger screen!!!

If they seriously release another repackaged same old phone , they have lost the plot.

Agreed. I don't know if I can wait another year though. They seriously need to stop doing this new phone one year and an S the next...

My money might go to the HTC One or S4
 
flash and colour? just gimmicks again, I want a larger screen!!!

If they seriously release another repackaged same old phone , they have lost the plot.

This is all about product diversification. Instead of just keeping the older iPhones on sale they'll ditch the iPhone 4 and replace it with something entirely new. Hip and cool with bright colours it's the iPhone for the iPod generation who are now a little older and want to move up to a smartphone instead of a cheap feature phone. The iPhone 5s is for their parents - sleek and sophisticated but also expensive.

The cheaper price also helps Apple to increase sales in the emerging markets like China, India and Brazil but it will sell just as well in London or New York.

PS I'm sure a larger screen will come with the iPhone 6 next year.
 
I hope Apple changes things up and doesn't call the next iPhone a 5S. Call it the iPhone 6 or just change the whole naming scheme.
 
I hope Apple changes things up and doesn't call the next iPhone a 5S. Call it the iPhone 6 or just change the whole naming scheme.

Depends what they call the new cheaper iPhone. If they go down the iPad route it might be just "the new iPhone" and the "iPhone colour". Can't really use mini or nano if it has the same 4" screen.
 
Fine with this.

I wouldn't mind a splash of color in the lineup. Just don't stick to the same colors forever, ipad covers have had several lackluster options for what seems like forever. I like the red and the charcoal and that's it.
 
Looks good, assuming that it's perfectly reflective like in the picture :p
If it's plastic, it will scratch and look terrible.
 
That was dual LED, the xenon was under it.

I should've been more specific. I meant the pictures of the person playing the drum.

That said, given the expense etc I think I'd rather see better low light sensors than a xenon flash at this point. Particularly if it really does eat battery life

Indeed. That's where things are headed eventually. A xenon flash is just too much for a modern smartphone. Ideally I'd like to see an iPhone with a bigger camera sensor but that probably will not happen anytime soon.
 
I don't know about these multi-color rumors. Let's assume that there are 5 colors and 3 carriers (obviously there are more):

  • Verizon 16 GB Color 1
  • Verizon 16 GB Color 2
  • Verizon 16 GB Color 3
  • Verizon 16 GB Color 4
  • Verizon 16 GB Color 5
  • Verizon 32 GB Color 1
  • Verizon 32 GB Color 2
  • Verizon 32 GB Color 3
  • Verizon 32 GB Color 4
  • Verizon 32 GB Color 5
  • Verizon 64 GB Color 1
  • Verizon 64 GB Color 2
  • Verizon 64 GB Color 3
  • Verizon 64 GB Color 4
  • Verizon 64 GB Color 5
  • AT&T 16 GB Color 1
  • AT&T 16 GB Color 2
  • AT&T 16 GB Color 3
  • AT&T 16 GB Color 4
  • AT&T 16 GB Color 5
  • AT&T 32 GB Color 1
  • AT&T 32 GB Color 2
  • AT&T 32 GB Color 3
  • AT&T 32 GB Color 4
  • AT&T 32 GB Color 5
  • AT&T 64 GB Color 1
  • AT&T 64 GB Color 2
  • AT&T 64 GB Color 3
  • AT&T 64 GB Color 4
  • AT&T 64 GB Color 5
  • Sprint 16 GB Color 1
  • Sprint 16 GB Color 2
  • Sprint 16 GB Color 3
  • Sprint 16 GB Color 4
  • Sprint 16 GB Color 5
  • Sprint 32 GB Color 1
  • Sprint 32 GB Color 2
  • Sprint 32 GB Color 3
  • Sprint 32 GB Color 4
  • Sprint 32 GB Color 5
  • Sprint 64 GB Color 1
  • Sprint 64 GB Color 2
  • Sprint 64 GB Color 3
  • Sprint 64 GB Color 4
  • Sprint 64 GB Color 5

Am I the only one that sees the logistical nightmare that stocking and selling this many SKUs would present?

I'm just not convinced that that they are going to shoehorn themselves into this kind of headache when 3rd party cases available today already address the problem of personalization via color.

If the cheaper phone was 3G not 4G they can get a single chip "world"* solution. Build this new phone to sell at same price points as 4 & 4s but much larger margins. To me the point is not colours but replacing the 4s with a desirable product with a better margin.

The interesting thing with a new manufacturer for the A7 chip is Apple might be able to license a library to embed in the chip to handle World 3G. Thus avoiding all those SKU's better still they could then use same chip in the 5s, iPad and iPad Mini reduce their chip count as well making all of them cheaper to build. Improving margins across the board.
 
OR people who have not yet bought into the iPhone echo system will now do so at the lower price point.

The iPad Mini is not a good comparison as those folks who skipped the iPad 4 and got a Mini instead either didn't have an iPad to start with OR already had an prior iPad and saw no reason to upgrade in the same form factor.

Apple does not need to increase its refresh cycle. Its already almost too fast. If anything they should slow down a bit and look at enticing upgrade buyers instead of fresh blood, which is what was driving those initial booms.

I agree with you that Apple should absolutely do a low cost iphone, as a means to draw customers into its ecosystem that otherwise wouldn't exist. However, there needs to be a really good reason for it's core customer to not buy the low cost iphone. Right now the iphone 5 is not appealing enough. Which is part of the reason the iphone 4s is still so tremendously popular.

I disagree retarding the upgrade cycle, they really do need to up their refresh cycle if feasible, to maybe 12 or 18 months. Otherwise they're leaving the back door wide open for Samsung to get in and take market share. They're laughing all the way to bank. The smartphone industry grew 36% in the last year, and apple sales are up a measly 6%.
 
For those of you who are misinformed, "Emerging markets" doesn't mean Bent Toe Alaska..

If you live in the US, you won't have the option of buying the "low cost" iPhone, unless you want to move to India or Vietnam or similar.

Why not? If apple won't sell it, eBay will
 
Why is dual flash needed?


Why not a black color?


Isn't not painting the lower cost phone cheaper than painting, therefore lowering the cost?

1. Because it will allow Apple marketing to say that they've improved the photos 100%

2. Because they make sure ppl see that it's cheaper

3. The plastic is coloured, not painted.
 
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